Canadian Armed Forces Thread

[Ryan Strome]

6 minutes ago, smokes said:

The US has been supporting terrible regimes for a decades. Look at what's happening in the desert. What some of you think as a terrible regime, others just think it's a different way of life. I am of Chinese decent and I am no threat to you. Aside from jabbing at each other through this board, I would mean you no harm. Most of the people here just want to worry about everyday life. The Chinese government has stated over and over again that it does not seek hegemony, just looking to protect it's own lands. At the end of the day, you cab sit there and believe as much sensationalized news as you want but if you really look at it, it is the States who are making the enemies because that's what every nation does to the number two nation ever since time. 

Militarily number 2 is Russia. When I said Chinese I was referring to the government not average chinese people. Wtf were the chinese attempting trying to mess around with a Canadian surveillance plane? Canada is there on behalf of the United nations. Yes, of course America supports terrible regimes, Arabia is a perfect example. Imo China should stop it's support of North Korea and the US should stop it's support of Arabia.

Edited December 25, 2018 by Ryan Strome

[SabreFan1]

50 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Sure not a threat to our continent atm but they're causing issues in Asia. Even Vietnam is concerned with China's artificial island territory grab scheme.

Sorry.  Didn't catch this right away.  I've been perusing the thread that I started earlier.

 

China can say what it wants.  They're eventually going to look to expand their borders once they surpass Russia as the #2 military.  They are setting the infrastructure up now in order to do so with the artificial islands. 

 

Taiwan will definitely be the first to fall once China decides to start flexing it's future muscles.  That place has been a sore spot for the ruling Chinese regime for a long time.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Sorry.  Didn't catch this right away.  I've been perusing the thread that I started earlier.

 

China can say what it wants.  They're eventually going to look to expand their borders once they surpass Russia as the #2 military.  They are setting the infrastructure up now in order to do so with the artificial islands. 

 

Taiwan will definitely be the first to fall once China decides to start flexing it's future muscles.  That place has been a sore spot for the ruling Chinese regime for a long time.

Is there a 200 mile protected area for fishing and the like around these fake islands?   

[SabreFan1]

Just now, Alflives said:

Is there a 200 mile protected area for fishing and the like around these fake islands?   

No, but there are international shipping lanes.  The US has been patrolling the new structures with warboats so all China can really do for now is complain, but that will change in 2 or 3 decades.  By then they'll have a much bigger economy than the US and depending on how much technology they continue to buy and steal from countries like the US, they'll be seriously competing with the US in terms military power by then as well.

[Ryan Strome]

3 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

Sorry.  Didn't catch this right away.  I've been perusing the thread that I started earlier.

 

China can say what it wants.  They're eventually going to look to expand their borders once they surpass Russia as the #2 military.  They are setting the infrastructure up now in order to do so with the artificial islands. 

 

Taiwan will definitely be the first to fall once China decides to start flexing it's future muscles.  That place has been a sore spot for the ruling Chinese regime for a long time.

I can't picture a scenario where the US let's that happen.

[Ryan Strome]

2 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

No, but there are international shipping lanes.  The US has been patrolling the new structures with warboats so all China can really do for now is complain, but that will change in 2 or 3 decades.  By then they'll have a much bigger economy than the US and depending on how much technology they continue to buy and steal from countries like the US, they'll be seriously competing with the US in terms military power by then as well.

Japan is significantly boosting military spending to counter the future Chinese threat. And make no mistake Russia may be allies with China but they also don't trust China. You have major players in the world and in the region that are already concerned with future chinese plans.

Edited December 26, 2018 by Ryan Strome

[Ryan Strome]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

Is there a 200 mile protected area for fishing and the like around these fake islands?   

Showdown in the South China Sea: China’s artificial islands explained

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/chinas-artificial-islands-news-rumors/

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Showdown in the South China Sea: China’s artificial islands explained

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/chinas-artificial-islands-news-rumors/

The US had better nuke China now before it’s too late.

[Ryan Strome]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The US had better nuke China now before it’s too late.

Didn't Berry Goldwater say the same thing?

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Didn't Berry Goldwater say the same thing?

Maybe it’s too late? 

[SabreFan1]

35 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

I can't picture a scenario where the US let's that happen.

I can.  All it would take is a spineless president backed by a soft weak willed populace.

[SabreFan1]

35 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Japan is significantly boosting military spending to counter the future Chinese threat. And make no mistake Russia may be allies with China but they also don't trust China. You have major players in the world and in the region that are already concerned with future chinese plans.

Japan lost it's warriors during and after WW2.  Russia could easily strike a bargain with China in 20-30 years, as well as form a mutual defense pact, where China doesn't interfere with Russia retaking old satellite countries and Russia doesn't interfere with them picking off their choice of Asian countries.

 

If history has shown anything it's that the biggest boys on the world stage love to form empires.

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

I can.  All it would take is a spineless president backed by a soft weak willed populace.

Ya I suppose. I just thought the US supported Taiwan independence 100%

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, SabreFan1 said:

Japan lost it's warriors during and after WW2.  Russia could easily strike a bargain with China in 20-30 years, as well as form a mutual defense pact, where China doesn't interfere with Russia retaking old satellite countries and Russia doesn't interfere with them picking off their choice of Asian countries.

 

If history has shown anything it's that the biggest boys on the world stage love to form empires.

Fair point.

[Ryan Strome]

18 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe it’s too late? 

I suppose it's not to late but my concern would be Russia's reaction if nukes were fired that way.

[SabreFan1]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Ya I suppose. I just thought the US supported Taiwan independence 100%

The US officially does, but will it still be willing to go to war over it in 20-30 years when all of the Silent generation and baby boomers are long gone and Gen X is the elderly population running things with the Millenials?

[Lancaster]

2 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

Japan lost it's warriors during and after WW2.  Russia could easily strike a bargain with China in 20-30 years, as well as form a mutual defense pact, where China doesn't interfere with Russia retaking old satellite countries and Russia doesn't interfere with them picking off their choice of Asian countries.

 

If history has shown anything it's that the biggest boys on the world stage love to form empires.

Hence Abe is slowly trying to remove the pacifism from the constitution.  For all intent and purposes, Japan is "unofficially" a top-10 military in the world.  IIRC, they already spend as much on their "self-defense force" as the UK, France and Germany spends on their own respective armed forces.  They are still spending less than 1% of their GDP on it.  Should Japan decide to ramp it up to say 2% (which they could easily do), they would be 3rd in the world after the US and China.  

 

They have already ordered a bunch more of F35's and are planning to convert their "helicopter" carrier into an actual aircraft carrier.  Their tech are way better than the Chinese and they've also are cooperating more with their SE Asian partners to counter China (they may have gifted some warships to some of those countries too). 

 

China will be contained, as long as Taiwan remains free and S. Korea doesn't fall into China's sphere of influence.

 

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Ya I suppose. I just thought the US supported Taiwan independence 100%

Yes and no.  They support a de facto independent Taiwan, but a de jure single China. 

 

Their willingness to defend Taiwan from China will really depend on other on-going factors.  The US already sold out the ROC previously in 1971 and during the 70-90's when Taiwan was developing their own nuclear weapons program (oddly enough, it would have guaranteed Taiwanese independence).  The US has always placated the Chinese for whatever reason.  

[Ryan Strome]

Back to the future... Sorry I mean past. Well done Justin you wanted to be like your daddy so bad you even bought the same jets he did.

 

Meanwhile Australia has bought new super hornets and is buying new F35s.

Deal to buy used Australian fighter jets finalized, with Canadian Forces set to be flying them by summer

Canada has finalized a deal to buy 25 used fighter jets from Australia, the first of which are expected to be operating by this summer, says the top procurement official at the Department of National Defence.

“The first two aircraft will be here this spring,” Pat Finn, assistant deputy minister for materiel at DND, told Postmedia in an interview. “I would say it could be by the summer the first couple are on the flight line and painted with the maple leaf.”

A second group of planes would arrive later this year. Eighteen of the Australian F-18 aircraft will eventually be flying for the Canadian Forces, while another seven will be used for testing and spare parts.

 

Canada is paying Australia $90 million for the aircraft. The federal government originally estimated the purchase of the Australian jets would cost around $500 million, but Finn said that price reflected every aspect of the associated deal, not just the cost of purchasing the jets. Canada is also acquiring extra spare parts, the Australian jets will have to be outfitted with specific Canadian equipment and software and testing will be needed.

The $500-million project estimate also included $50 million in contingency funds to cover any problems and another $35 million for the salaries of all civilian and military personnel involved over the life of the project. An additional $30 million will be spent on new infrastructure needed to accommodate the aircraft.

Those costs add up to $360 million, Finn said. But DND also plans to upgrade its existing fleet of CF-18s with new communications gear and equipment required to meet regulations to operate in civilian airspace, improvements which the Australian jets will also eventually receive at a cost of around $110 million, an amount that brought the original estimate to nearly $500 million.

 

The Liberal government had planned to buy 18 new Super Hornet fighter jets from U.S. aerospace giant Boeing to augment the Royal Canadian Air Force’s CF-18s until new aircraft can be purchased in the coming years.

 

 

But in 2017 Boeing complained to the U.S. Commerce Department that Canadian subsidies for Quebec-based Bombardier allowed it to sell its C-series civilian passenger aircraft in the U.S. at cut-rate prices. As a result, the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump enacted a tariff of almost 300 per cent against the Bombardier aircraft sold in the U.S. In retaliation, Canada cancelled the deal to buy the 18 Super Hornets, which would have cost more than US$5 billion.

Instead of buying the new Super Hornets, the Liberals decided to acquire the used Australian jets.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has said the extra jets are needed to deal with a “capability gap,” as Canada does not have enough fighters to handle its commitments to NATO as well as protecting North America.

But Conservative MPs say the capability gap doesn’t exist and was concocted by the government to delay a larger project to buy new jets, a competition that might end up selecting the F-35 stealth fighter that during the 2015 election campaign the Liberals vowed never to purchase.

 

In the fall of 2016, then-Royal Canadian Air Force commander Lt.-Gen. Mike Hood told senators that the Liberal government brought in a policy change which required the RCAF to be able to meet both its NATO and North American air defence commitments at the same time. That, in turn, created the capability gap, he said. Hood said he was not told about the reasons for the policy change.

In November 2018 Auditor General Michael Ferguson issued a report noting that the purchase of the extra aircraft would not fix the fundamental weaknesses with the CF-18 fleet which is the aircraft’s declining combat capability and a shortage of pilots and maintenance personnel.

“The Australian F/A-18s will need modifications and upgrades to allow them to fly until 2032,” the report said. “These modifications will bring the F/A-18s to the same level as the CF-18s but will not improve the CF-18’s combat capability.”

“In our opinion, purchasing interim aircraft does not bring National Defence closer to consistently meeting the new operational requirement introduced in 2016,” Ferguson’s report added.

The Canadian Forces says it is bringing in new initiatives to boost the numbers of pilots and maintenance staff.

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/deal-to-buy-used-australian-fighter-jets-finalized-with-canadian-forces-set-to-be-flying-them-by-summer

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

What makes this even worse for JT is the f35 will likely win the competition. JT just put this on hold so he doesn't look stupid and hopes people forgot what he said. Rafael dropped out, The Gripen has no chance, and Boeing tried to hurt Canadian industry which is apparently a no no in the new bidding process. 

 

That leaves F35 or Eurofighter? The airforce wants complete interoperability with the Americans so that pretty much makes Lockheed Martin the winner.

 

Maybe JT should get Boeing to do and say nice things so the Advanced super hornet has a chance, that is a good jet.

[Surfbali]

The king of the north has been determined. Russia, North Korea, China and various other countries make up this symbolic king. It is prophesy.......the King of the North will dominate the King of the South......lets watch this unfold gentlemen.