Dral Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: your loss. No, its not actually... I absolutely 100% don't lose out by not engaging in a PM with someone who thinks conservatives are horrible people and live in their parents basement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: the reasons are there if you want to look for them guy, I'm not going to do your work for you. AKA.... you don't have a clue. 5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Teach a man to fish and all that.... You are the that made the claim, that leaves it up to you to prove your point.. Again how old are you Jimmy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, Dral said: No, its not actually... I absolutely 100% don't lose out by not engaging in a PM with someone who thinks conservatives are horrible people and live in their parents basement... I think the social conservative movement over the last 20 years is one of the worst things to happen to North America, yes. It gave the US Trump, and thankfully Harper got the exit he deserved. If you compare the PC's from the 1980s to todays CPC you can see the shift to a very uncaring and cruel party. Like I said I'll do the rest of this over PM and you can freely hurl insults but I can back this position up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, Dral said: No, its not actually... I absolutely 100% don't lose out by not engaging in a PM with someone who thinks conservatives are horrible people and live in their parents basement... The funny part is, if someone was living in their parents basement, wouldn't they be the ones that most likely wants min wage to be raised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The funny part is, if someone was living in their parents basement, wouldn't they be the ones that most likely wants min wage to be raised? Only if they wanted to get a job and move out on their own. Some are content to live at home and wait for their parents to die, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think the social conservative movement over the last 20 years is one of the worst things to happen to North America, yes. It gave the US Trump, and thankfully Harper got the exit he deserved. If you compare the PC's from the 1980s to todays CPC you can see the shift to a very uncaring and cruel party. Like I said I'll do the rest of this over PM and you can freely hurl insults but I can back this position up. No, it was the SJWs who gave the US Trump.... the radical left allowed him to get into power not conservatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Dral said: No, it was the SJWs who gave the US Trump.... the radical left allowed him to get into power not conservatives yah all those SJW votes for Trump sure helped No, its all the evangelicals that knowingly voted for someone like Trump, a known cheater, liar and egomaniac. I thought those things weren't part of being a good Christian? Oh well. Say one thing, vote for another, I suppose is OK for guys like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: yah all those SJW votes for Trump sure helped No, its all the evangelicals that knowingly voted for someone like Trump, a known cheater, liar and egomaniac. I thought those things weren't part of being a good Christian? Oh well. Say one thing, vote for another, I suppose is OK for guys like you. Trumps an egotistical buffoon, but when the two best candidates the Dems could drum up to run against him are an extreme socialist (by US standards) and an evil cheating, lying psychopath you're doomed. The SJWs obviously didn't vote for him, but whenever a moderate tried to voice concerns about Hillary, instead of engaging in a conversation and addressing those concerns they got shouted down as racist and sexist... well all you do is drive the moderates right into Trumps arms. Ironic you call Trump a cheater, liar and egomaniac but Hillary is just the same if not worse. The left has no one but themselves to blame for Trump - all they needed to do to win was run someone who WASN"T a cheater, liar and egomaniac and they could have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Dral said: Trumps an egotistical buffoon, but when the two best candidates the Dems could drum up to run against him are an extreme socialist (by US standards) and an evil cheating, lying psychopath you're doomed. The SJWs obviously didn't vote for him, but whenever a moderate tried to voice concerns about Hillary, instead of engaging in a conversation and addressing those concerns they got shouted down as racist and sexist... well all you do is drive the moderates right into Trumps arms. Ironic you call Trump a cheater, liar and egomaniac but Hillary is just the same if not worse. The left has no one but themselves to blame for Trump - all they needed to do to win was run someone who WASN"T a cheater, liar and egomaniac and they could have won. Socialism is a good thing have u visited sweden , norway , denmark u sound like u need to travel ans see other great countries u live in hate and fear. It must be exhausting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Dral said: Trumps an egotistical buffoon, but when the two best candidates the Dems could drum up to run against him are an extreme socialist (by US standards) and an evil cheating, lying psychopath you're doomed. The SJWs obviously didn't vote for him, but whenever a moderate tried to voice concerns about Hillary, instead of engaging in a conversation and addressing those concerns they got shouted down as racist and sexist... well all you do is drive the moderates right into Trumps arms. Ironic you call Trump a cheater, liar and egomaniac but Hillary is just the same if not worse. The left has no one but themselves to blame for Trump - all they needed to do to win was run someone who WASN"T a cheater, liar and egomaniac and they could have won. But where's the conservative sense of personal responsibility? You and you alone are responsible for the "X" you mark on a ballot. Also, 3 million more people did actually vote for Clinton. And they didn't have to compromise their principles to do it. The evangelical groups in particular really can't claim to have voted their values. I liked Bernie but given the choice between Clinton and Trump I think its pretty obvious who the more competent person was/is. Not great choices to be sure, but everyone could see the train wreck Trump would be but figured hey at least my personal taxes may go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: But where's the conservative sense of personal responsibility? You and you alone are responsible for the "X" you mark on a ballot. Also, 3 million more people did actually vote for Clinton. And they didn't have to compromise their principles to do it. The evangelical groups in particular really can't claim to have voted their values. I liked Bernie but given the choice between Clinton and Trump I think its pretty obvious who the more competent person was/is. Not great choices to be sure, but everyone could see the train wreck Trump would be but figured hey at least my personal taxes may go down. Selfishness and personal greed trumped clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Selfishness and personal greed trumped clinton they flip flopped on many key things that were supposed to be "conservative" - look at the debt they added for the tax cut! no self-respecting republican would have done that pre-Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Socialism is a good thing have u visited sweden , norway , denmark u sound like u need to travel ans see other great countries u live in hate and fear. It must be exhausting. LoL - your Utopian view of the TOP socialist countries are disillusion Have you visited Cuba? China? Iraq under Saddam? North Korea ? Look at this list and tell me how many of these countries you'd like to have lived in... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: But where's the conservative sense of personal responsibility? You and you alone are responsible for the "X" you mark on a ballot. Also, 3 million more people did actually vote for Clinton. And they didn't have to compromise their principles to do it. The evangelical groups in particular really can't claim to have voted their values. I liked Bernie but given the choice between Clinton and Trump I think its pretty obvious who the more competent person was/is. Not great choices to be sure, but everyone could see the train wreck Trump would be but figured hey at least my personal taxes may go down. Please - Trump was the 2nd worst presidential candidate ever to run for office.... he ended up beating the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Socialism is a good thing have u visited sweden , norway , denmark u sound like u need to travel ans see other great countries u live in hate and fear. It must be exhausting. "I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy." - Lars Løkke Rasmussen Just incase you weren't sure, Lars is the Prime Minister of Denmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: "I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy." - Lars Løkke Rasmussen Just incase you weren't sure, Lars is the Prime Minister of Denmark. Exactly my point. Thx socialism is great. Most canadians want a strong federal government luckily uni bomber types of capitalism freaks are far and few in canada. Although there is a few posting crazy right wing views here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I trust Bernie Not some right wing Fraser Institute / Conspiracy type loons. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/11/bernie-sanders-says-denmark-is-socialist-forbes-magazine-says-its-the-most-business-friendly-country-whos-right/?utm_term=.386e7062938e Nordic model The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries(Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6][7] Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[8] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[9] Each of the Nordic countries has its own economic and social models, sometimes with large differences from its neighbours.[10] According to sociologist Lane Kenworthy, in the context of the Nordic model "social democracy" refers to a set of policies for promoting economic security and opportunity within the framework of capitalism rather than a replacement for capitalism.[11] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 7 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Exactly my point. Thx socialism is great. Most canadians want a strong federal government luckily uni bomber types of capitalism freaks are far and few in canada. Although there is a few posting crazy right wing views here So answer my previous question and tell me how many of those countries on that list you'd be willing to live in... cause you know, socialism is great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyAdams Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 7 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: I trust Bernie Not some right wing Fraser Institute / Conspiracy type loons. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/11/bernie-sanders-says-denmark-is-socialist-forbes-magazine-says-its-the-most-business-friendly-country-whos-right/?utm_term=.386e7062938e Nordic model The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries(Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6][7] Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[8] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[9] Each of the Nordic countries has its own economic and social models, sometimes with large differences from its neighbours.[10] According to sociologist Lane Kenworthy, in the context of the Nordic model "social democracy" refers to a set of policies for promoting economic security and opportunity within the framework of capitalism rather than a replacement for capitalism.[11] Another thing they have in common is no minimum wage. Turns out raising the minimum wage really isn't necessary if you follow this model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, chilliwiggins said: Well wait till Oprah runs. I'm sure we'd get to see her tax returns She's already said she's not interested. Mitt Romney might win the 2020 nomination anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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