Canuck Surfer Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: how many of those guys are both upgrades on who we have, AND worth overpaying for? I just don't see the need for more middle- pairing D. Mike Green would absolutely help our PP and offense in general. But, Ghosts just pinghed it, De Haan is probably the best D in defence out there. Look how fast, and how hard the NYI's fell when he went on the IR? We don't really need a LHD, but it would make Edler expendable at the next deadline. I also like love Sustr as a 5th/7th D. All things considered, a superb depth D might be the smartest move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I think next year is the year i would be considering big ufa acquisitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said: Mike Green would absolutely help our PP and offense in general. But, Ghosts just pinghed it, De Haan is probably the best D in defence out there. Look how fast, and how hard the NYI's fell when he went on the IR? We don't really need a LHD, but it would make Edler expendable at the next deadline. I also like love Sustr as a 5th/7th D. All things considered, a superb depth D might be the smartest move? I guess who are you willing to ship out to make that happen? De Haan would be a nice addition if we move out Hutty tho thats true, you could be on to something there. I'll be happy if we never see the Hutton-Guddy pairing ever again. I guess I'll be OK if Jim decides to stick it out with the group we have, I do think Guddy coming back healthy and possibly Juolevi making the team might be enough to give the D a jolt and see some improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: I guess who are you willing to ship out to make that happen? De Haan would be a nice addition if we move out Hutty tho thats true, you could be on to something there. I'll be happy if we never see the Hutton-Guddy pairing ever again. I guess I'll be OK if Jim decides to stick it out with the group we have, I do think Guddy coming back healthy and possibly Juolevi making the team might be enough to give the D a jolt and see some improvement. Milk it with injuries, till the deadline. Then Edler... But Hutton if push came to shove. MDZ as well. But how often do we not have one, two guys on the IR? We had at least one D on the IR at the start of almost every season I can think of. And Juolvi can get the Stecher start in Utica, but still play the majority of games. Edler Stech De Haan Tanev Juolevi Guddy Hutton, MDZ Pouliot * Bulldog would still clear waivers? He might be the actual casualty. Probably would burn MDZ first? Not sure, might depend on how the depth prospects are looking at the time. #assetmanagement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Milk it with injuries, till the deadline. Then Edler... But Hutton if push came to shove. MDZ as well. But how often do we not have one, two guys on the IR? We had at least one D on the IR at the start of almost every season I can think of. And Juolvi can get the Stecher start in Utica, but still play the majority of games. Edler Stech De Haan Tanev Juolevi Guddy Hutton, MDZ Pouliot * Bulldog would still clear waivers? He might be the actual casualty. Probably would burn MDZ first? Not sure, might depend on how the depth prospects are looking at the time. #assetmanagement I like that top 6 group a lot, and you're right, the injuries are going to happen. Chalk up 25 games at least for Tanev right now. If we can move out Hutty for a decent 2019 picks that works for me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Total fantasy, but if Washington and Carlson were open to a sign and trade of something along the lines of Tanev for signed Carlson (8 years, ~7.25 per), 1st and mid/late round picks. Then flip the Washington 1st and Del Zotto or Hutton to Winnipeg in a package for Trouba (RFA). Boom! Edler - Carlson Stecher/Del Zotto - Trouba Juolevi/Hutton/Stecher - Guddy All of a sudden our defence is set for years to come. Youth, grit, skill. This doesn't even factor in our 1st rounder this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said: Total fantasy, but if Washington and Carlson were open to a sign and trade of something along the lines of Tanev for signed Carlson (8 years, ~7.25 per), 1st and mid/late round picks. Then flip the Washington 1st and Del Zotto or Hutton to Winnipeg in a package for Trouba (RFA). Boom! Edler - Carlson Stecher/Del Zotto - Trouba Juolevi/Hutton/Stecher - Guddy All of a sudden our defence is set for years to come. Youth, grit, skill. This doesn't even factor in our 1st rounder this year. Sign and trades don't exist in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheHitman said: Sign and trades don't exist in the NHL. Its been speculated by TSN. They also mentioned it as a possibility for Tavares. I agree it's highly unlikely, but it is a possibility - especially if Carlson wants that 8th year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, TheHitman said: Sign and trades don't exist in the NHL. https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-gretzky-set-to-grow-the-game-in-china-1.1040037 Here's the link. Starts at the 3 minute mark. Again, just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said: Total fantasy, but if Washington and Carlson were open to a sign and trade of something along the lines of Tanev for signed Carlson (8 years, ~7.25 per), 1st and mid/late round picks. Then flip the Washington 1st and Del Zotto or Hutton to Winnipeg in a package for Trouba (RFA). Boom! Edler - Carlson Stecher/Del Zotto - Trouba Juolevi/Hutton/Stecher - Guddy All of a sudden our defence is set for years to come. Youth, grit, skill. This doesn't even factor in our 1st rounder this year. In what world is Tanev worth a signed Carlson, a first and another pick? Also, why would Winnipeg trade Trouba for a low 1st and Hutton or MDZ? I know you said total fantasy. But c’mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 50 minutes ago, qwijibo said: In what world is Tanev worth a signed Carlson, a first and another pick? Also, why would Winnipeg trade Trouba for a low 1st and Hutton or MDZ? I know you said total fantasy. But c’mon. Its a stretch, but I do have some reasoning to the madness. Carlson is a UFA, so his value is minimal. The contract would be agreed to by us and him and Washington signs the deal so JC can get the 8th year. Wsh does this for a discount on Tanev (some have speculated his value at a 1st and a prospect). So let's say its JC and a 1st for Tanev. If the season ended today, Wsh pick would be 24th overall in a deep draft. I did say package for Trouba - I was assuming we'd have to add, but I didn't specify that. I don't think Wpg can afford to sign Trouba to a big deal as Laine is going to need an extension in 2019 (plus there was his holdout 2 years ago). Let's say we add next year's 2nd to the deal. It's then Hutton or Del Zotto (inexpensive replacement for Trouba that won't tie up $ for Laine) a 1st in a deep draft and a 2nd - which could still be an early 2nd. Do either of these deals get done? Probably not, but it's fun to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Lonny_Bohonos_14 said: Its a stretch, but I do have some reasoning to the madness. Carlson is a UFA, so his value is minimal. The contract would be agreed to by us and him and Washington signs the deal so JC can get the 8th year. Wsh does this for a discount on Tanev (some have speculated his value at a 1st and a prospect). So let's say its JC and a 1st for Tanev. If the season ended today, Wsh pick would be 24th overall in a deep draft. I did say package for Trouba - I was assuming we'd have to add, but I didn't specify that. I don't think Wpg can afford to sign Trouba to a big deal as Laine is going to need an extension in 2019 (plus there was his holdout 2 years ago). Let's say we add next year's 2nd to the deal. It's then Hutton or Del Zotto (inexpensive replacement for Trouba that won't tie up $ for Laine) a 1st in a deep draft and a 2nd - which could still be an early dream. If he's signed (sign and trade) then his value is that of a signed player, not the rights of a UFA. In my opinion the wrong team is adding to the equation. Getting a signed Carlson would cost Tanev + , not the other way around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 2018-03-30 at 9:04 AM, Jimmy McGill said: With the season winding down I find myself wondering what the heck is Jim going to do with this D group? That to me is the #1 off season issue by far with this team. Edler-Tanev Del Zotto - Gudbranson seems like a probable top 4 (for us) starting next season. But then we have maybe 6 guys competing for the 5-8 spots: Hutton, Stecher, Pouliot, Biega and possibly now Sautner and maybe Juolevi depending on his off-season training and camp performance. And Benning talking about possibly adding in a college free agent. With all of these guys in the system for next season, I wonder now if Jim should stand pat on D for one season as far as free agency goes? There won't be a "1D" available in free agency so we'd just be adding more middle-pairing depth (I think Carlson is staying put in Washington), so I'd like to see Jim keep the cheque book closed this year on free agent D. Thoughts? Is there a free agent you think Jim should target? One thought I had was making a play for Tyler Myers. With Trouba up for a raise and Laine the year after that, the Jets may be interested in getting something for a player that may be out of their price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I have been thinking of this too. Not much of a stretch here but I think Hutton goes for a pick. They'll sign a fringe journeyman on July 1 for the 7/8/9 spot and that's it. They'll make room for OJ and he'll get 20-40 games. They'll draft another dman in the 5-7 hole who will play jr or college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Mike Green’s skill set, age, handedness & contract length all seem to fit, IMHO. 1. Our need for an offensive defenseman is amplified without the Sedins on the PP. Green is also somewhat physical. 2. Pairing Edler with a right-handed, offensive defencemen, allows him to keep his game simple. It also gives us the flexibility to trade Tanev. 3. Green is one of few UFA’s that would likely accept a 3 yr deal. I have heard an identical 3x $6m would likely get it done. Edler Green Del Zotto Gudbranson Pouliot Stecher Hutton Biega Tanev traded to Washington (for example) for a late 1st & prospect It costs us nothing but short term cap space in our rebuilding years, and helps us get the most out of other assets including Edler and Tanev. He could also potentially mentor guys like Stecher on the offensive side of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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