The DumbBrexit / #Wexit thread

[Ryan Strome]

@Warhippy

Honestly you just ramble on with no knowledge whatsoever. 

 

Canada's national highway system is not under federal jurisdiction or coordination, as decisions about highway and freeway construction are entirely under the jurisdiction of the individual provinces. 

[Warhippy]

Just now, Ryan Strome said:

But I didn't say anything about flying you did.

Wow you really aren't smart are you?

Poor guy.

I'll give you a hint so you don't look as foolish.

49 billion was the total number Alberta gave to Ottawa in 2016. 

Now start you subtracting genius. 

You are always getting free education on cdc.

Pretty sure the yellow head and #1 are looked after by the provinces. 

So a few days ago you quoted 23 billion

then 49 billion

now 22 billion

now 49 billion again

 

But go on, call me a genius.  But then also randomly mention something about airspace that literally hadn't factored in to anything.  Then bring up socialism, ndp, gas receipts.  Yellow head yes, Highway 1 is in fact federal.  There is and has been a cost sharing program with provinces for maintenance and repair but the overall jurisdiction is in fact federal.

 

As for free education, education that is wrong is still wrong.  No wonder you keep repeating the same oft disproved talking points

[Ryan Strome]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So a few days ago you quoted 23 billion

then 49 billion

now 22 billion

now 49 billion again

 

But go on, call me a genius.  But then also randomly mention something about airspace that literally hadn't factored in to anything.  Then bring up socialism, ndp, gas receipts.  Yellow head yes, Highway 1 is in fact federal.  There is and has been a cost sharing program with provinces for maintenance and repair but the overall jurisdiction is in fact federal.

 

As for free education, education that is wrong is still wrong.  No wonder you keep repeating the same oft disproved talking points

Oh you are going to look so ridiculous. 

Lmao you and your absolutes hey genius.

Again for the uneducated stubborn guy, 49 billion is total money.

23 billion is equalization. 

Please educate yourself. 

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So a few days ago you quoted 23 billion

then 49 billion

now 22 billion

now 49 billion again

 

But go on, call me a genius.  But then also randomly mention something about airspace that literally hadn't factored in to anything.  Then bring up socialism, ndp, gas receipts.  Yellow head yes, Highway 1 is in fact federal.  There is and has been a cost sharing program with provinces for maintenance and repair but the overall jurisdiction is in fact federal.

 

As for free education, education that is wrong is still wrong.  No wonder you keep repeating the same oft disproved talking points

 

4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

@Warhippy

Honestly you just ramble on with no knowledge whatsoever. 

 

Canada's national highway system is not under federal jurisdiction or coordination, as decisions about highway and freeway construction are entirely under the jurisdiction of the individual provinces. 

[Ryan Strome]

I honestly don't understand why somebody will talk and such absolute when they are uneducated or don't even know anything on what they're discussing. Either they just like to argue for the sake of arguing or they have bigger issues. Like most people there is many things I don't discuss because I may not know it you should try that sometimes hip otherwise you just look foolish on a daily basis.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

@Warhippy

Honestly you just ramble on with no knowledge whatsoever. 

 

Canada's national highway system is not under federal jurisdiction or coordination, as decisions about highway and freeway construction are entirely under the jurisdiction of the individual provinces. 

 

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

So a few days ago you quoted 23 billion

then 49 billion

now 22 billion

now 49 billion again

 

But go on, call me a genius.  But then also randomly mention something about airspace that literally hadn't factored in to anything.  Then bring up socialism, ndp, gas receipts.  Yellow head yes, Highway 1 is in fact federal.  There is and has been a cost sharing program with provinces for maintenance and repair but the overall jurisdiction is in fact federal.

 

As for free education, education that is wrong is still wrong.  No wonder you keep repeating the same oft disproved talking points

To further that

 

Routes within the system continue to be maintained, funded and signed as provincial, rather than federal, highways. However, the federal government provides some funding assistance for important maintenance and expansion projects on designated highways through cost sharing programs.  

 

Now, check interprovincial trade, national projects and energy transfers between provinces.  

 

As stated, while the federal government does not have outright jurisdiction over the expansion of the trans Canadian highway system, it does still hold control over national projects.  Provinces are free to control inter provincial trade but projects of a national scope including the expansion of the highway system between provinces falls under federal control.  

 

essentially.  The moment Alberta decides to leave, it no longer has any control over the highways, nor does it have any control over any project that leaves its borders.  Inter provincial trade is between the provinces.  Alberta would no longer be a province.  Why is this so very very hard for you to understand?  it's ben the core argument of any number of people for  the duration of this thread but you continue pretending as though Alberta would still have full say as a province of the nation of canada yet in fact would be its own nation/state.

[Boudrias]

10 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The OPEC meetings 3 days ago produced nothing.  The planned and promised 1.5% drop in production did not occur and Russia effectively said no chance we're cutting production.  America's representative said no chance we're cutting production.  It was only the true OPEC nations willing to cut production but without the satellite members in agreeable nothing got done.  The next meetings aren't scheduled for months.  In the meantime the Coronavirus is now rampant in one of the largest most populated nations that is not named china.  India is now seeing the results that we saw in China in the first weeks of the virus.  

 

China is shut down.  India is potentially going to follow suit.  Travel is down across the board.  Oil demand is down almost 25% globally.  OPEC just failed to come to any consensus for lowered production.  The belief of Oil money coming back is not only a fairy tale but also not realistic at all.  This has almost nothing to do with any government policy and everything to do with demand and production everywhere else.

All true except for the Americans. Their production is market driven. Their volumes would decline because of demand but also because their cost structures are too high. Lot of bankruptcy pending. I don’t see a long term decline in consumption as I have to hope the virus is beaten. 

 

IMHO the biggest issue is global debt and whether the virus starts a downward spiral that cannot be stopped. It could take decades to rebuild. Fear the debt and fear that democracy might be a victim. Scary times ahead.

[Ryan Strome]

8 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

 

As for free education, education that is wrong is still wrong.  No wonder you keep repeating the same oft disproved talking points

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

I honestly don't understand why somebody will talk and such absolute when they are uneducated or don't even know anything on what they're discussing. Either they just like to argue for the sake of arguing or they have bigger issues. Like most people there is many things I don't discuss because I may not know it you should try that sometimes hip otherwise you just look foolish on a daily basis.

You like to look at tiny paragraphs and expect wikipedia to do your work for you.  Link posted bits and pieces of material and claim some level of superiority.  Which is cute in a "aren't you the sweet drooling tot" sort of way.

 

but you never once, ever look at the overall picture.  You still somehow think and pretend as though Alberta will retain all its power and privilege if it leaves and that is so amusing.

 

Do tell.  If Alberta leaves, and this is important.  When Alberta leaves, and leaves behind much of its landmass, infrastructure oil reserves etc.  Do you sincerely think that it will retain the same level of power and privilege it currently holds as a province?

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

 

To further that

 

Routes within the system continue to be maintained, funded and signed as provincial, rather than federal, highways. However, the federal government provides some funding assistance for important maintenance and expansion projects on designated highways through cost sharing programs.  

 

Now, check interprovincial trade, national projects and energy transfers between provinces.  

 

As stated, while the federal government does not have outright jurisdiction over the expansion of the trans Canadian highway system, it does still hold control over national projects.  Provinces are free to control inter provincial trade but projects of a national scope including the expansion of the highway system between provinces falls under federal control.  

 

essentially.  The moment Alberta decides to leave, it no longer has any control over the highways, nor does it have any control over any project that leaves its borders.  Inter provincial trade is between the provinces.  Alberta would no longer be a province.  Why is this so very very hard for you to understand?  it's ben the core argument of any number of people for  the duration of this thread but you continue pretending as though Alberta would still have full say as a province of the nation of canada yet in fact would be its own nation/state.

This is how sad you are you will not even admit that you were wrong and had no clue about what you were talking about. You clearly stated as I quoted got the overall jurisdiction is federal that is flat-out wrong it's the jurisdiction of the provinces. Here's one more thing for you when I initially said I believe there are under the jurisdiction of the provinces I already knew that I wanted to see your response be a man and admit you were wrong and had no idea about what you were talking about when you do that it'll be worth discussing with you otherwise we all know you are a liar and it's getting pretty pathetic.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

If Alberta leaves, and this is important.  When Alberta leaves, and leaves behind much of its landmass, infrastructure oil reserves etc.  Do you sincerely think that it will retain the same level of power and privilege it currently holds as a province?

[Warhippy]

Just now, Ryan Strome said:

This is how sad you are you will not even admit that you were wrong and had no clue about what you were talking about. You clearly stated as I quoted got the overall jurisdiction is federal that is flat-out wrong it's the jurisdiction of the provinces. Here's one more thing for you when I initially said I believe there are under the jurisdiction of the provinces I already knew that I wanted to see your response be a man and admit you were wrong and had no idea about what you were talking about when you do that it'll be worth discussing with you otherwise we all know you are a liar and it's getting pretty pathetic.

If Alberta leaves, and this is important.  When Alberta leaves, and leaves behind much of its landmass, infrastructure oil reserves etc.  Do you sincerely think that it will retain the same level of power and privilege it currently holds as a province?

[Ryan Strome]

Just now, Warhippy said:

You like to look at tiny paragraphs and expect wikipedia to do your work for you.  Link posted bits and pieces of material and claim some level of superiority.  Which is cute in a "aren't you the sweet drooling tot" sort of way.

 

but you never once, ever look at the overall picture.  You still somehow think and pretend as though Alberta will retain all its power and privilege if it leaves and that is so amusing.

 

Do tell.  If Alberta leaves, and this is important.  When Alberta leaves, and leaves behind much of its landmass, infrastructure oil reserves etc.  Do you sincerely think that it will retain the same level of power and privilege it currently holds as a province?

What are you going on about admit you are wrong you said the number one and the 16 are under the jurisdiction of the federal government that is incorrect they are under the jurisdiction of each province. So you can quit rambling on nonsense admit you are wrong. There is no extra fax to anything it's cut and dry the highways are under the jurisdiction of the provincial government plain and simple. You are wrong again but as usual like the coward you are you won't admit it.

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

If Alberta leaves, and this is important.  When Alberta leaves, and leaves behind much of its landmass, infrastructure oil reserves etc.  Do you sincerely think that it will retain the same level of power and privilege it currently holds as a province?

This is important will you admit you are wrong will you admit you had no idea what you were talking about and then will you tell me why you constantly do this speak on things and such absolute when you have no idea on the matter. I don't want to discuss anything with you anymore it's useless all you do is lie and you never admit when you are wrong and you are wrong daily you just spout off garbage.

[Boudrias]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

If Alberta leaves, and this is important.  When Alberta leaves, and leaves behind much of its landmass, infrastructure oil reserves etc.  Do you sincerely think that it will retain the same level of power and privilege it currently holds as a province?

This is sounding pretty desperate. When AB leaves along with other constituencies in the West the borders will be as is and airspace will conform to international standards. The ROC will have no claims inside those borders just as AB will have no claim to the urinals on Parliament Hill.

[Warhippy]

2 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

All true except for the Americans. Their production is market driven. Their volumes would decline because of demand but also because their cost structures are too high. Lot of bankruptcy pending. I don’t see a long term decline in consumption as I have to hope the virus is beaten. 

 

IMHO the biggest issue is global debt and whether the virus starts a downward spiral that cannot be stopped. It could take decades to rebuild. Fear the debt and fear that democracy might be a victim. Scary times ahead.

You're very right.  But as seen.  Trump has relaxed and loosened rules regarding where exploration can occur.  Utah is now slated to be the new home of various mines and potential well sites.As there are so many new mobile sites since the boom of energy in the last decade it is far more cost effective to uproot camps.  I think the US still has a decade or more to go before they exhaust areas if nothing changes.

 

The issue is though that changing technology is taking large percentage bites from the automotive industry for oil.  3% here 6% there.  it took 30 years after the first car before the true death of the horse and buggy occurred.  I'm not ignorant enough to believe oil production will ever end.  We need plastics, polymers etc.  A long term drop of this nature is not possible.  But increased storage has happened, new sites have opened up and OPEC has been seen to lose its power.  For me the biggest telling factor was the Iranian issue recently.  Oil prices didn't budge much at all.  A threat of the closing of Hormuz didn't do much.

 

Then, as you've stated here and in the recession thread (actually enjoying the civility in there) the credit crisis is peaking and will in fact happen soon.  What happens when the western world can no longer to afford to travel or consume?  I don't see the large downturn of Corono continuing but I also don't expect to see prices rise to what Alberta needs any time soon.  That is not the fault of any national government but strictly market forces as it has been by and large for years

[RowdyCanuck]

3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

If Alberta leaves, and this is important.  When Alberta leaves, and leaves behind much of its landmass, infrastructure oil reserves etc.  Do you sincerely think that it will retain the same level of power and privilege it currently holds as a province?

I think your over looking that fact that all Canadian oil is refined in Alberta and also slaughter houses and the fact that a lot of b.c beef goes to Alberta to be sold or butchered......on the coast losing Alberta wouldn't matter but for towns along the boarder it would hurt the most. 

Alberta is more then oil.....

I think if Alberta leaves it will do more damage to the image or relationships with investors cause it makes Canada look like chaos.......

think bigger picture like you told RS.....

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

This is sounding pretty desperate. When AB leaves along with other constituencies in the West the borders will be as is and airspace will conform to international standards. The ROC will have no claims inside those borders just as AB will have no claim to the urinals on Parliament Hill.

FTG said it best.  The likelihood of anyone joining Alberta is slim.  Far too many people have far to much to lose.  The moment separation happens there will in fact be a division of what was the province.  The likelihood of what was Alberta maintaining any of the power it holds as a power in that eventuality is slim to none.  That is not a desperate statement.  Quebec was handed the exact same terms, they fought them in court and essentially lost.

[Warhippy]

2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:

I think your over looking that fact that all Canadian oil is refined in Alberta and also slaughter houses and the fact that a lot of b.c beef goes to Alberta to be sold or butchered......on the coast losing Alberta wouldn't matter but for towns along the boarder it would hurt the most. 

Alberta is more then oil.....

I think if Alberta leaves it will do more damage to the image or relationships with investors cause it makes Canada look like chaos.......

think bigger picture like you told RS.....

As to the bolded.  Is it?

 

As for your statement of all Canadian oil is refined in Alberta.  Is it?

 

Just a suggestion.  Start looking at Canada as more than some of Sask, Alberta and BC

[RowdyCanuck]

Just now, Warhippy said:

FTG said it best.  The likelihood of anyone joining Alberta is slim.  Far too many people have far to much to lose.  The moment separation happens there will in fact be a division of what was the province.  The likelihood of what was Alberta maintaining any of the power it holds as a power in that eventuality is slim to none.  That is not a desperate statement.  Quebec was handed the exact same terms, they fought them in court and essentially lost.

Quebec is useless and no one cared if they left , Alberta has all the refineries and their for Canada needs Alberta cause Canada won't have the extra money to build a new one in Manitoba or s.k and the fact the oil sands are in Alberta and the only other ones are in s.k but they arnt deep enough.....

that's just on the oil side of things......