Coronavirus outbreak

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, JM_ said:

buddy and his little ring of anti-vaxxers have no clue about how things actually work in our system.

 

We just need to be happy that we're not in Alberta where he'd get a job in Kenney's cabinet.

Is that where the other three antivaxxers went, who were spewing craperolla here yesterday?  

[bolt]

16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

A good way to help protect our hospitals would be require proof of vaccination (for adults) to get care for Covid.  

A good way to protect our hospitals is also allowing nurses to recieve as many N95 masks as they want, and not to consider  allowing infected workers in the hospital; Both points you deflected.  Boosting and vaccines aren't the only remedy to ending the pandemic as we discovered;  their latest stats showed the 84% of new cases included the boosted and fully vaccinated.  We as vaccinated individuals can pass it on to the vulnerable.

Edited December 31, 2021 by bolt

[bolt]

[coho8888]

3 hours ago, kilgore said:

 

Yeah.  I understand they still don't know everything about this  new variant.  Or even the base COVID 19 virus for that matter.

 

But by all accounts, it is less severe.  So, I'm just speaking out of my @#$ but maybe this is the exact variant we need at this particular time in the fight.  That if we are "too" successful in suppressing Omnicron, and another more deadly variant sprouts up, we will still have many people that have not gotten COVID at all yet, and are more vulnerable to get the worse variant.  So if we are going to all get it eventually, perhaps Omnicron is Mother Natures gift in a way?   Just thinking out loud.

 

 

Even Dr. Henry has mentioned that given this variant is milder, it may lead us out of the pandemic and into an endemic phase.  Our vaccines will protect us if we do get infected and the risk from more variants would be coming from the unvaccinated.  Hence vaccinations are still going to be essential going forward and the sooner we get the rest of the world caught up with vaccinations, the better.

[alt kilgore]

13 minutes ago, bolt said:

Here's the full list:

 

From Dec. 22-28, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 15.8% of cases.
From Dec. 15-28, they accounted for 54.7% of hospitalizations.

Past week cases (Dec. 22-28) - Total 15,429

• Not vaccinated: 2,185 (14.2%)
• Partially vaccinated: 249 (1.6%)
• Fully vaccinated: 12,995 (84.2%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Dec. 15-28) - Total 117

• Not vaccinated: 64 (54.7%)
• Partially vaccinated: 0 (0.0%)
• Fully vaccinated: 53 (45.3%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 22-28)

• Not vaccinated: 337.3
• Partially vaccinated: 96.4
• Fully vaccinated: 283.7

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 15-28)

• Not vaccinated: 14.9
• Partially vaccinated: 0.0
• Fully vaccinated: 1.1

Since December 2020, the Province has administered 9,368,643 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer Pediatric COVID-19 vaccines.

 

..........

 

Of COURSE most of the new infections are in vaccinated folks. 

 

It's because by now the vast majority are sensible and are vaccinated, sooooo that's who's getting it more.

 

It's about hospitalizations. Keeping the curve flattened. 

 

I don't know why we even bother trying to explain facts to the flat earthers in here. I think some will just always believe they and their paranoid idiot circle are in the right no matter what anyone tells them. And their YouTube and FB algorithms will continually feed them covidiot ranters high on their 15 min of fame

[AbbyNux]

1 minute ago, kilgore said:

Here's the full list:

 

From Dec. 22-28, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 15.8% of cases.
From Dec. 15-28, they accounted for 54.7% of hospitalizations.

Past week cases (Dec. 22-28) - Total 15,429

• Not vaccinated: 2,185 (14.2%)
• Partially vaccinated: 249 (1.6%)
• Fully vaccinated: 12,995 (84.2%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Dec. 15-28) - Total 117

• Not vaccinated: 64 (54.7%)
• Partially vaccinated: 0 (0.0%)
• Fully vaccinated: 53 (45.3%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 22-28)

• Not vaccinated: 337.3
• Partially vaccinated: 96.4
• Fully vaccinated: 283.7

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 15-28)

• Not vaccinated: 14.9
• Partially vaccinated: 0.0
• Fully vaccinated: 1.1

Since December 2020, the Province has administered 9,368,643 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer Pediatric COVID-19 vaccines.

 

..........

 

Of COURSE most of the new infections are in vaccinated folks. 

 

It's because by now the vast majority are sensible and are vaccinated, sooooo that's who's getting it more.

 

It's about hospitalizations. Keeping the curve flattened. 

 

I don't know why we even bother trying to explain facts to the flat earthers in here. I think some will just always believe they and their paranoid idiot circle are in the right no matter what anyone tells them. And their YouTube and FB algorithms will continually feed them covidiot ranters high on their 15 min of fame

But record numbers AND vaccinated? 

 

Never heard to expect this from our medical leaders. We were told things like herd immunity, 2 weeks to stop the spread, vaccine passports will keep you away from the unvaccinated etc etc

[Alflives]

40 minutes ago, bolt said:

A good way to protect our hospitals is also allowing nurses to recieve as many N95 masks as they want, and not to consider  allowing infected workers in the hospital; Both points you deflected.  Boosting and vaccines aren't the only remedy to ending the pandemic as we discovered;  their latest stats showed the 84% of new cases included the boosted and fully vaccinated.  We as vaccinated individuals can pass it on to the vulnerable.

No vax; no treatment.  That takes the burden off our medical system.  

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, AbbyNux said:

But record numbers AND vaccinated? 

 

Never heard to expect this from our medical leaders. We were told things like herd immunity, 2 weeks to stop the spread, vaccine passports will keep you away from the unvaccinated etc etc

Look how many antivaxxers are in hospital with Covid.  That’s the key metric.  These selfish (few) cowards are the problem.  It’s not some (put on your tinfoil cap) government conspiracy to control the people.  

[bolt]

31 minutes ago, kilgore said:

Here's the full list:

 

From Dec. 22-28, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 15.8% of cases.
From Dec. 15-28, they accounted for 54.7% of hospitalizations.

Past week cases (Dec. 22-28) - Total 15,429

• Not vaccinated: 2,185 (14.2%)
• Partially vaccinated: 249 (1.6%)
• Fully vaccinated: 12,995 (84.2%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Dec. 15-28) - Total 117

• Not vaccinated: 64 (54.7%)
• Partially vaccinated: 0 (0.0%)
• Fully vaccinated: 53 (45.3%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 22-28)

• Not vaccinated: 337.3
• Partially vaccinated: 96.4
• Fully vaccinated: 283.7

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 15-28)

• Not vaccinated: 14.9
• Partially vaccinated: 0.0
• Fully vaccinated: 1.1

Since December 2020, the Province has administered 9,368,643 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer Pediatric COVID-19 vaccines.

 

..........

 

Of COURSE most of the new infections are in vaccinated folks. 

 

It's because by now the vast majority are sensible and are vaccinated, sooooo that's who's getting it more.

 

It's about hospitalizations. Keeping the curve flattened. 

 

I don't know why we even bother trying to explain facts to the flat earthers in here. I think some will just always believe they and their paranoid idiot circle are in the right no matter what anyone tells them. And their YouTube and FB algorithms will continually feed them covidiot ranters high on their 15 min of fame

-only treat those who are vaccinated

-don't give N95s to hospital workers unless they beg and prove it's an imminent safety danger

-consider allowing infected workers into the hospital (because vaccinated infected can't pass it on to the vulnerable)

-cut the quarantine period after a positive test from 10 days to 5

-close vaxx pass gyms that encourgage a healthy lifestyle, while keeping the casino open 

 

Sounds good

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by bolt

[Ilunga]

Cases doubled yesterday in NSW

Stabilised somewhat at 22,500 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-01/nsw-records-22577-new-covid19-infections/100733278

 

And doubled here in Vic from 2 days ago 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-01/victoria-new-covid-cases/100734090

 

I sincerely hope this doesn't happen to you guys.

[AbbyNux]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Look how many antivaxxers are in hospital with Covid.  That’s the key metric.  These selfish (few) cowards are the problem.  It’s not some (put on your tinfoil cap) government conspiracy to control the people.  

You think the unvaccinated spread this? They aren't allowed to go anywhere. I could go to games, the gym and restaurants. This is not on them anymore. That's the garbage that needs to stop. Omicron proved that regardless of vaccination status, we are all getting a d spreading. 

 

Stop blaming a small portion of society. The numbers could not be as high as they are if it was only them. 

 

Our government needs to be honest. They were not prepared. They demonized a small portion and get back to common sense. 

 

Wash your hands, eat healthy, get healthy, exercise and prepare to get covid and maybe multiple times from multiple variants.

 

[coho8888]

9 minutes ago, AbbyNux said:

You think the unvaccinated spread this? They aren't allowed to go anywhere. I could go to games, the gym and restaurants. This is not on them anymore. That's the garbage that needs to stop. Omicron proved that regardless of vaccination status, we are all getting a d spreading. 

 

Stop blaming a small portion of society. The numbers could not be as high as they are if it was only them. 

 

Our government needs to be honest. They were not prepared. They demonized a small portion and get back to common sense. 

 

Wash your hands, eat healthy, get healthy, exercise and prepare to get covid and maybe multiple times from multiple variants.

 

Frankly I don’t really know why I waste my time explaining this to you,  the virus is being spread by both but most of the ones taking up a hospital bed are the unvaxxed.  The measures are in place to minimize hospitalizations among the unvaxxed.  They are not so worried about the vaxxed (except for the elderly and vulnerable population).  I wish we could adopt Alf’s idea of only allowing treatment in hospitals for the vaxxed.  That way the unvaxxed can take their own precautions or not.  Their choice.

[AbbyNux]

5 minutes ago, coho8888 said:

Frankly I don’t really know why I waste my time explaining this to you,  the virus is being spread by both but most of the ones taking up a hospital bed are the unvaxxed.  The measures are in place to minimize hospitalizations among the unvaxxed.  They are not so worried about the vaxxed (except for the elderly and vulnerable population).  I wish we could adopt Alf’s idea of only allowing treatment in hospitals for the vaxxed.  That way the unvaxxed can take their own precautions or not.  Their choice.

Problem is, the unvaccinated pay their taxes to allow them to be treated and a hippocratic oath plays for most. 

 

We could privatize, maybe that is the way to go. 

[bolt]

10 minutes ago, coho8888 said:

Frankly I don’t really know why I waste my time explaining this to you,  the virus is being spread by both but most of the ones taking up a hospital bed are the unvaxxed.  The measures are in place to minimize hospitalizations among the unvaxxed.  They are not so worried about the vaxxed (except for the elderly and vulnerable population).  I wish we could adopt Alf’s idea of only allowing treatment in hospitals for the vaxxed.  That way the unvaxxed can take their own precautions or not.  Their choice.

Sure, just open up a new covid centre for the unvaxxed worked by the fired nurses and doctors.  If they want to rely on other methods than that's their choice.  Maybe they also can dust off the unused $250 million worth of ventilators that Trudeau bought from his ex mp friend and give them something to work with.  

 

Then you can open everything up and people won't be concerned about case numbers?

Edited January 1, 2022 by bolt

[Alflives]

28 minutes ago, AbbyNux said:

You think the unvaccinated spread this? They aren't allowed to go anywhere. I could go to games, the gym and restaurants. This is not on them anymore. That's the garbage that needs to stop. Omicron proved that regardless of vaccination status, we are all getting a d spreading. 

 

Stop blaming a small portion of society. The numbers could not be as high as they are if it was only them. 

 

Our government needs to be honest. They were not prepared. They demonized a small portion and get back to common sense. 

 

Wash your hands, eat healthy, get healthy, exercise and prepare to get covid and maybe multiple times from multiple variants.

 

 If the antivaxxers would stay away from our hospitals I wouldn’t care.  But they are cowards, who refuse the vaccines, but when they get sick with Covid run to the nearest emergency room to get help.  Selfish and cowardly.  If they had the courage of their convictions they’d stay away from the hospitals.  How can those actions be interpreted as anything but cowardly?  

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, bolt said:

Sure, just open up a new covid centre for the unvaxxed worked by the fired nurses and doctors.  If they want to rely on other methods than that's their choice.  Maybe they also can dust off the unused $250 million worth of ventilators that Trudeau bought from his ex mp friend and give them something to work with.  

 

Then you can open everything up and people won't be concerned about case numbers?

What gauge of tinfoil is that hat of yours?  

[spur1]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

 If the antivaxxers would stay away from our hospitals I wouldn’t care.  But they are cowards, who refuse the vaccines, but when they get sick with Covid run to the nearest emergency room to get help.  Selfish and cowardly.  If they had the courage of their convictions they’d stay away from the hospitals.  How can those actions be interpreted as anything but cowardly?  

I don’t know but they sure make my allergies act up. 

[Bure_of_94]

10 minutes ago, AbbyNux said:

Problem is, the unvaccinated pay their taxes to allow them to be treated and a hippocratic oath plays for most. 

 

We could privatize, maybe that is the way to go. 

I actually have been saying this for years. It’s time to go to the same system as the USA. That way, people pay for their own choices, not the tax payers. As such though I’d like my income tax cut back from 45% to 30% or less. 

[AbbyNux]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

 If the antivaxxers would stay away from our hospitals I wouldn’t care.  But they are cowards, who refuse the vaccines, but when they get sick with Covid run to the nearest emergency room to get help.  Selfish and cowardly.  If they had the courage of their convictions they’d stay away from the hospitals.  How can those actions be interpreted as anything but cowardly?  

I think everyone stays away from the hospital until they need help. 

[AbbyNux]

2 minutes ago, spur1 said:

I don’t know but they sure make my allergies act up. 

Is there medication for it?