2022 NHL Entry Draft

[BarnBurner]

4 hours ago, hammertime said:

I'll keep that in mind. I'll use you as a reference. 

You seem to be pretty clever. You don't need me. 

[BarnBurner]

2 hours ago, hammertime said:

Ok Muchacho. Narnia talk? Lets try your plan and ice Rathbone as a shut down D. That's probably gonna work out. 

No one is saying he should be a shutdown D. But for you to foresee that he's gone by Christmas and to have it all figured out is ridiculous

[hammertime]

Do you see an alternative to fix our league worst PK without icing OEL Hughes on PK 1 and 2? 

[NucknAsia]

2 hours ago, hammertime said:

Ok squirt! So who's playing matchup defense on the left side? Who's PK'n? Or are we following the oilers model?

I guess you didn't understand the idea of "pairing" dmen. It was already explained to you, so rather than explaining it again, I suggest you read it. I also suggest that instead of immediately responding to people, read their responses before you hit reply.

 

smh

Edited June 19, 2022 by NucknAsia

[hammertime]

4 minutes ago, NucknAsia said:

I guess you didn't understand the idea of "pairing" dmen 

 

smh

No maybe if you type real slow for me. I'm not sure which PK pairing's don't involve OEL and Hughes logging minutes where we risk them in the infirmary blocking shots and getting thumped in the corners chasing pucks if your right D is clearing the crease.

[hammertime]

Anyway this is a Draft thread! I'm looking forward to see who we take. I'm assuming since we signed Nils Aman that Alvin is doing his homework watching Lekksands where Bichsel happens to play.  

Edited June 19, 2022 by hammertime

[NucknAsia]

41 minutes ago, hammertime said:

No maybe if you type real slow for me. I'm not sure which PK pairing's don't involve OEL and Hughes logging minutes where we risk them in the infirmary blocking shots and getting thumped in the corners chasing pucks if your right D is clearing the crease.

So every NHL team has 4 big pk'ing defensive dmen?

 

ok I guess I must have missed that 

 

my bad

 

thanks, I'll make sure to note that next time I watch the games! 

 

Appreciate it!

Edited June 19, 2022 by NucknAsia

[Alflives]

43 minutes ago, hammertime said:

No maybe if you type real slow for me. I'm not sure which PK pairing's don't involve OEL and Hughes logging minutes where we risk them in the infirmary blocking shots and getting thumped in the corners chasing pucks if your right D is clearing the crease.

In this cap era the team’s best players need to PK.  Hughes is a brilliant PK guy, and so is Petey.  Our PK improved dramatically when BB used those two.  I see them both on the PK a lot next season too.  They are both just too good not to be.  

[hammertime]

3 minutes ago, NucknAsia said:

So every NHL team has 4 defensive dmen hey? 

 

ok I guess I must have missed that 

 

my bad

This conversation is tiresome. Running a left side of Hughes OEL Rathbone is not a balanced lineup this is not a difficult concept. One of them will have to be moved to better balance things. 

 

I like Rathbone I think he's a great player and I was furious he didn't get more of a showcase last year. I thought he had a fantastic season in Abby.  

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, hammertime said:

This conversation is tiresome. Running a left side of Hughes OEL Rathbone is not a balanced lineup this is not a difficult concept. One of them will have to be moved to better balance things. 

 

I like Rathbone I think he's a great player and I was furious he didn't get more of a showcase last year. I thought he had a fantastic season in Abby.  

How is that not balanced?  Those are three very skilled, puck moving D.  

[hammertime]

21 minutes ago, Alflives said:

 Those are three very skilled, puck moving D.  

Edited June 19, 2022 by hammertime

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, hammertime said:

[Sedintwinpowersactivate]

This is hilarious to read your bickering.  I have to agree with Asia though.  You can’t trade Rathbone because all 3 LD are puck movers.  Main reason is Rathbone is a lot better than  his current trade value.  The Canucks would be stupid to trade him just as he is about to break into the NHL. Talk about selling for pennies on the dollar.  Hughes isn’t going anywhere and OEL has a very difficult contract to move.  So your argument is likely moot.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Sedintwinpowersactivate

[Smashian Kassian]

Interesting debate going on, I tend to agree Rathbone is better served as a trade chip. OEL & Hughes are locked in, you either try to move off OEL then hand the keys to Rathbone & hope he works out. Or you move Rathbone while he's still really valuable.

 

Anyways after watching some video, some thoughts on a couple prospects;

 

Kemell - Really big shot & great hands, also great awareness, but short choppy stride. Don't see separation speed which leaves me thinking he doesn't have 'elite' upside (as far as a driver). He can beat a goalie straight up but can he create enough opportunities to score 35-40? Idk. Reminds me of Eberle with a better shot.

 

Mintyukov - Huge Boom/Bust. Amazing skater, has a bit of an edge (willing to throw the body), good size, great puck skills & a great shot. He can drive play. Thing is he's always looking to make something happen offensively & its not always good. I think he's a very capable defender when he focuses on defense (its not a lack of IQ), but he's gotta find a better balance. 

 

He won't get away with 'gambling' as much in the NHL. If he can adjust he could be another Sergachev (but better skater), if not he'll be a bottom pair specialist or not an NHLer at all.

[hammertime]

7 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Interesting debate going on, I tend to agree Rathbone is better served as a trade chip. OEL & Hughes are locked in, you either try to move off OEL then hand the keys to Rathbone & hope he works out. Or you move Rathbone while he's still really valuable.

 

Anyways after watching some video, some thoughts on a couple prospects;

 

Kemell - Really big shot & great hands, also great awareness, but short choppy stride. Don't see separation speed which leaves me thinking he doesn't have 'elite' upside (as far as a driver). He can beat a goalie straight up but can he create enough opportunities to score 35-40? Idk. Reminds me of Eberle with a better shot.

 

Mintyukov - Huge Boom/Bust. Amazing skater, has a bit of an edge (willing to throw the body), good size, great puck skills & a great shot. He can drive play. Thing is he's always looking to make something happen offensively & its not always good. I think he's a very capable defender when he focuses on defense (its not a lack of IQ), but he's gotta find a better balance. 

 

He won't get away with 'gambling' as much in the NHL. If he can adjust he could be another Sergachev (but better skater), if not he'll be a bottom pair specialist or not an NHLer at all.

Kemell likes to mix it up. He gets under guys skin. I agree with your assessment that he may not be a 40g scorer due to separation speed. He's a bit of a Kadri light for me though. He plays the full game not just whistle to whistle. If he can gain a lil more jump in his step he could be a a home run. I think he will be a big game performer. 

 

Minty round and round we go. With Hughes a lock to be eating up all the PP1 time he may have a hard time finding his footing here. I like that he gets his shot through that's definately something we need on the blue line. We are far to easy to defend in the O zone with only OEL on the back end having a shot that needs to be respected. 

Edited June 19, 2022 by hammertime

[NucknAsia]

13 hours ago, Alflives said:

How is that not balanced?  Those are three very skilled, puck moving D.  

He doesn't understand the concept and importance of having a puck moving D on each pair, and on the PK as well Alf...

[hammertime]

35 minutes ago, NucknAsia said:

He doesn't understand the concept and importance of having a puck moving D on each pair, and on the PK as well Alf...

You're welcome to have this conversation in another thread. Or dm me. This is not the right thread. I'd prefer to not water this thread down any further with this nonsense. 

 

A guy I'm pretty high later on is Topi Ronni he's got everything I'm looking for in a future 3C. He was one of the u18 standouts for me.  

 

In Finland’s U20 league, Rönni often led his team’s forwards in ice time while playing on both special teams. His size and speed made him an overwhelming force for U20 competition, which is why he finished the season with 20 games in Liiga rather than playing out the year in the junior league. Rönni improved his draft stock while playing at the U18 World Junior Championships in May, where he scored four points in six games for Team Finland, and was one of their most consistent forwards despite not having the electric skill set of a player like his teammate, Joakim Kemell.

Edited June 19, 2022 by hammertime

[Nucker 67]

D

 

Korchinski

Mateychuk

Mintyukov

Pickering

Bichsel

Salomonsson (R)

Luneau (R)

Chesley (R)

 

Try to get a couple of these guys

[*Buzzsaw*]

I think this team has to try to pick up a second strong defenseman in the draft.

 

What does everyone think about Kevin Korchinski?

 

Will he be around for the Canucks' pick?  Big question:  I think it is worthwhile trying to trade up for him.

 

Personally I think he is the best D available... watching him dangle and skate is amazing... he would be a real addition to the team.  He does everything well... shot, skate, pass, but also is decent defensively.  You can teach defense... (see Hughes 2021/2022 versus the previous year) you can't teach the Offensive skills.

 

David Jiricek is next in line, not far behind Korchinski.  He doesn't have quite the wheels or the dangle, but is an excellent passer, very comparable to Korchinski.  He also may be more defensively responsible.  Could also look at trading up for him, although maybe not so high a price.

Next on the list but much further down is Pavel Mintyukov, who also has strong offensive skills but who defense is just horrible.  Constantly making unforced errors in the D-Zone... his passing is almost always speculative and highly risky.  Seems to be a selfish player who is focused on scoring.  Yes, a good skater and can score, but the negatives are a serious risk.

 

Way down on the list is Lian Bichsel, only thing going for him is his size, not impressed with his defensive play or decision making.  Zero offensive talent.  Unless the scouting staff sees something I don't, probably best to go for a forward if he is the only choice.

 

Having a good D corps is key to success in the post season... just look at what the emergence of Makar and Byram has done for Colorado.

[hammertime]

35 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

I think this team has to try to pick up a second strong defenseman in the draft.

 

What does everyone think about Kevin Korchinski?

 

Will he be around for the Canucks' pick?  Big question:  I think it is worthwhile trying to trade up for him.

 

Personally I think he is the best D available... watching him dangle and skate is amazing... he would be a real addition to the team.  He does everything well... shot, skate, pass, but also is decent defensively.  You can teach defense... (see Hughes 2021/2022 versus the previous year) you can't teach the Offensive skills.

 

David Jiricek is next in line, not far behind Korchinski.  He doesn't have quite the wheels or the dangle, but is an excellent passer, very comparable to Korchinski.  He also may be more defensively responsible.  Could also look at trading up for him, although maybe not so high a price.

Next on the list but much further down is Pavel Mintyukov, who also has strong offensive skills but who defense is just horrible.  Constantly making unforced errors in the D-Zone... his passing is almost always speculative and highly risky.  Seems to be a selfish player who is focused on scoring.  Yes, a good skater and can score, but the negatives are a serious risk.

 

Way down on the list is Lian Bichsel, only thing going for him is his size, not impressed with his defensive play or decision making.  Zero offensive talent.  Unless the scouting staff sees something I don't, probably best to go for a forward if he is the only choice.

 

Having a good D corps is key to success in the post season... just look at what the emergence of Makar and Byram has done for Colorado.

Have you watched these players? From what I've seen of these players I would put Jiricek and Bichsel well ahead of Korchinski Minty, Matey. 

 

Bichsel is in my opinion the 3rd best D in the draft and it isn't close. He does more of what I hoped to see more of Edvinsson do last year. 

 

Size, speed, mean streak, defensive awareness, lil less offensive but that can be taught. Kids gonna be a powerhouse. Shoots left but plays right side in the SHL and looks right at home.