For those who say it's been 8 years of Benning...

[Josepho]

8 hours ago, Dazzle said:

If having core pieces is so easy, why does Benning get so much flack for not being able to draft "only" one top four defenseman? Lmfao.

 

There's always some excuse to defend Gillis and his season/playoff records.

Because it's unfair to compare the two when one has had significantly more high picks to work with.

 

Your argument would hold more weight if Benning was acquiring Vince Dunn and Adam Fox types in the later rounds.

[UFCanuck]

10 hours ago, Westcoasting said:

Massive? Lol how much?

Do you know how to use a computer?

 

Google is your friend.

[wallstreetamigo]

Not sure why Benning supporters think it pumps Benning up to $&!# on Gillis.

 

Both had/have huge weaknesses as GM’s. Gillis was the better GM based on the results he got out of the moves he made.

[RU SERIOUS]

Looks like Uncle Jim's Master Plan has failed!

 

[Harold Drunken]

On 11/15/2021 at 12:52 AM, dougieL said:

I have heard (not necessarily here) people say that we haven't rebuilt properly or that it's been 8 years of mediocrity under the Benning regime.

 

People are forgetting that for the 2014-15 to 2017-18 seasons, Linden said publicly that it would be unfair to the Sedins to rebuild (the articles can be easily found on Google). In these seasons, we signed Erickson, traded for Gudbranson, traded picks for players, and traded for and re-signed Sutter, among other moves.

 

Only AFTER the Sedins retired did Linden start pushing the proper rebuild. First off, the hypocrisy of this pivot is stunning and not acknowledged enough. Him quitting over the owners not buying into this vision is ludicrous considering his refusal to rebuild while the Sedins were clearly done (combined 14m cap hit, neither exceeded 60pts in any of the last 3 seasons of their career).

 

Second, it is difficult to imagine that the Canucks fan base would have the patience for a full rebuild that would start in the 2018-19 season. If a proper rebuild takes 5 years, this season AND next season might still well be a lottery seasons. We would essentially lose the primes of Demko, Horvat, and part of Boeser's, if they even remained with us through this hypothetical rebuild. 

 

With the drafting of Hughes and the anticipation of Pettersson becoming a quality player, along with the pain of the previous 3 seasons, I could see why the owners wanted Benning to accelerate the process.

 

So no, the rebuild was not done properly, but it is not all on Benning. Sure, Benning has made some questionable moves, but which GM hasn't? The owners, along with Linden, have to bear the brunt of the blame for the overall lack of direction.

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/team-president-trevor-linden-admits-canucks-rebuild/

[Harold Drunken]

On 11/15/2021 at 12:52 AM, dougieL said:

I have heard (not necessarily here) people say that we haven't rebuilt properly or that it's been 8 years of mediocrity under the Benning regime.

 

People are forgetting that for the 2014-15 to 2017-18 seasons, Linden said publicly that it would be unfair to the Sedins to rebuild (the articles can be easily found on Google). In these seasons, we signed Erickson, traded for Gudbranson, traded picks for players, and traded for and re-signed Sutter, among other moves.

 

Only AFTER the Sedins retired did Linden start pushing the proper rebuild. First off, the hypocrisy of this pivot is stunning and not acknowledged enough. Him quitting over the owners not buying into this vision is ludicrous considering his refusal to rebuild while the Sedins were clearly done (combined 14m cap hit, neither exceeded 60pts in any of the last 3 seasons of their career).

 

Second, it is difficult to imagine that the Canucks fan base would have the patience for a full rebuild that would start in the 2018-19 season. If a proper rebuild takes 5 years, this season AND next season might still well be a lottery seasons. We would essentially lose the primes of Demko, Horvat, and part of Boeser's, if they even remained with us through this hypothetical rebuild. 

 

With the drafting of Hughes and the anticipation of Pettersson becoming a quality player, along with the pain of the previous 3 seasons, I could see why the owners wanted Benning to accelerate the process.

 

So no, the rebuild was not done properly, but it is not all on Benning. Sure, Benning has made some questionable moves, but which GM hasn't? The owners, along with Linden, have to bear the brunt of the blame for the overall lack of direction.

 

 

The thing is, they WERE rebuilding prior to 2017/2018 - they were just trying to do it on the fly while somehow staying competitive. They finally realized this wasn't working as all it was achieving was year after year of mediocrity. Look at what the fallout was from trying to remain competitive during that time? Bad contracts, trading away assets and young players, not getting as high of draft picks as they could have.....its the reason we are where we are. I posted an article when Linden admitted they were indeed in a rebuild in 2017 - referring to the years prior. 

[Harold Drunken]

On 11/15/2021 at 1:19 AM, shiznak said:

There was no point in starting a rebuild with the Sedins in our lineup. They were going to play out their careers in Vancouver. So the team had no choice but to try and compete with them on our team, despite their skills declining.

Yes, and it was the wrong choice. They were in the decline of their careers, to think they could carry us back to the cup/playoffs wasn't realistic or fair to them. The Sedins are class acts, great humans and deserving of everything they get....but it wasn't fair to them to except that especially  when they didn't surround them with near enough talent during that last stretch. 

[Harold Drunken]

On 11/18/2021 at 1:02 AM, Wolfgang Durst said:

There were several reasons why Canucks couldn't do a full rebuild:

 

1. NMC's of several players like the Sedins, Edler - it was not possible to trade them and get draft picks in return

2. injuries: Tanev and Sutter missed long stretches because of injuries, often Sutter had been injured around the trade deadline

3. obivously the owner's goal to be competitive during the rebuild "rebuild on the fly"; how long took it that management used the word "rebuild"?

 

Detroit is an excellent example for a full rebuild; Stevie traded away lots of players and in addition took on bad contracts to accumulate draft picks. In contrast to  Uncle Jim Stevie is one of the most successful GM's when it comes to the NHL entry draft. Canucks didn't take on bad contracts even this strategy has been proposed by hockey writers like Botchford to add draft picks. Instead they signed veterans like Beagle, Roussel and Sutter.

 

This franchise needs change. Change starts with replacing personnel.

The owner will continue to be a obstacle with his impatience and inability to bring in competent and experienced hockey guys (GM position).

This franchise is doomed to fail.

with the continued losing I expect that Boeser and Petterson will pursue their player careers with other teams once their contracts are up.

Ditto, the main point here is this team WAS indeed rebuilding prior to 2017/2018 - they just REFUSED to admit it until 2017/2018. They tried to rebuild on the fly and it didn't work - all it brought was year after year of mediocrity...so when people say this team has been building/retooling (whatever you want to call it) for 7 years they aren't wrong. At the end of the day, the main point is Benning has had 8 years to improve this team, make it competitive and push for a cup run and he hasn't even come close.

 

For those who say this team was not rebuilding, look at the roster the Sedins had around them during the Desjardins years.....those was never going to be a contending teams let alone playoff teams, The Sedins carried the team in 2014-2015 to the playoffs that year but that was it....the roster during these years was not good. There's now way the franchise saw those rosters as contenders.

 

[awalk]

I say Benning trades another first round pick, really go for it.