HKSR Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 9 hours ago, mll said: Doesn't mean he's getting that kind of contract. A team has to be willing to qualify him at that amount and there might not be any, with the risk that he signs that 1-year deal. Forsberg is a UFA producing upwards of PPG and already has 27 goals on the season. If he doesn't get qualified, doesn't he become a UFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, HKSR said: If he doesn't get qualified, doesn't he become a UFA? Yes. If Boeser is not given a QO, he becomes UFA. The QO retains his rights while the team and player continue negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, HKSR said: If he doesn't get qualified, doesn't he become a UFA? The qualifying offer is due on 11 July - that's several months from now. They can already agree on a deal today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, BPA said: Yes. If Boeser is not given a QO, he becomes UFA. The QO retains his rights while the team and player continue negotiations. He could theoretically just accept the QO and move on though, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, mll said: The qualifying offer is due on 11 July - that's several months from now. They can already agree on a deal today. I get that, but what I'm saying is if he doesn't agree on a deal before then, he could simply accept his QO and move on to next year. What happens to his QO next year (as I believe he's still an RFA next year)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: I get that, but what I'm saying is if he doesn't agree on a deal before then, he could simply accept his QO and move on to next year. What happens to his QO next year (as I believe he's still an RFA next year)? If he signs his QO, it will also be a 7.5M QO a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: I get that, but what I'm saying is if he doesn't agree on a deal before then, he could simply accept his QO and move on to next year. What happens to his QO next year (as I believe he's still an RFA next year)? He gets to do the same thing next year and walk to free agency. We also can’t take him to team elected arbitration as he gets to pick the term, which would obviously be two years to walk him to free agency. Even if we are in a playoff push at the deadline it would still be prudent to trade him if possible. It can be a deal that doesn’t hurt our chances but also frees up cap space (Boeser and Poolman for Zacha and Severson) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just now, mll said: If he signs his QO, it will also be a 7.5M QO a year later. Just now, Provost said: He gets to do the same thing next year and walk to free agency. We also can’t take him to team elected arbitration as he gets to pick the term, which would obviously be two years to walk him to free agency. Even if we are in a playoff push at the deadline it would still be prudent to trade him if possible. It can be a deal that doesn’t hurt our chances but also frees up cap space (Boeser and Poolman for Zacha and Severson) Right... so there's very little incentive for him to be taking much less than $7.5M. He's guaranteed that for 2 years, and he can bet on himself to play well in year 2 to rake it in through free agency as a UFA. In other words, we're not gonna sign him for much less than $7.5M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I'll take Forsberg over Boeser.... Forsberg is worth $7.5M+ and if we can somehow free up cap space, he's gonna take us to the next level!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, HKSR said: Right... so there's very little incentive for him to be taking much less than $7.5M. He's guaranteed that for 2 years, and he can bet on himself to play well in year 2 to rake it in through free agency as a UFA. In other words, we're not gonna sign him for much less than $7.5M. or they simply don't qualify him and still try and negotiate a deal with him. He can't be thinking that a team is going to pay him 7.5M as a UFA. Edited March 2, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, HKSR said: Right... so there's very little incentive for him to be taking much less than $7.5M. He's guaranteed that for 2 years, and he can bet on himself to play well in year 2 to rake it in through free agency as a UFA. In other words, we're not gonna sign him for much less than $7.5M. Agreed. The people who think he’s going to sign for $6 million when he’s guaranteed $7.5 million for the next two years need to give their head a shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, mll said: or they simply don't qualify him and still try and negotiate a deal with him. He can't be thinking that a team is going to pay him 7.5M as a UFA. You don't think so? UFA season is silly season. He'd arguably be one of the best forwards available, especially since he's younger too. I'm sure someone would pay him $7M to $7.5M on a long term deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, mll said: or they simply don't qualify him and still try and find a deal with him. He can't be thinking that a team is going to pay him 7.5M as a UFA. Maybe not but why would JR take a chance at losing him for nothing? That would be gross incompetence. Worse than anything Benning ever did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, HKSR said: Right... so there's very little incentive for him to be taking much less than $7.5M. He's guaranteed that for 2 years, and he can bet on himself to play well in year 2 to rake it in through free agency as a UFA. In other words, we're not gonna sign him for much less than $7.5M. Basically ya, maybe he signs for less… but he has been able to do that since last summer and hasn’t. Do folks think Benning didn’t reach out to see what an extension would cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Maybe not but why would JR take a chance at losing him for nothing? That would be gross incompetence. Worse than anything Benning ever did. Agreed. The moment he goes UFA, he can talk to any team now and get the best deal he can. UFA at age 25yr, if Canucks don’t give a QO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Provost said: Basically ya, maybe he signs for less… but he has been able to do that since last summer and hasn’t. Do folks think Benning didn’t reach out to see what an extension would cost? What are you referring to when you say "he has been able to do that since last summer and hasn't"? You mean his play? or his QO? The way people have come after me for defending some of Benning's good work leads me to believe folks think Benning had no foresight whatsoever. So no, I don't think folks think Benning reached out to see what an extension would cost lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Maybe not but why would JR take a chance at losing him for nothing? That would be gross incompetence. Worse than anything Benning ever did. Which team is going to want to give up assets for him and then risk having him sign his QO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: What are you referring to when you say "he has been able to do that since last summer and hasn't"? You mean his play? or his QO? The way people have come after me for defending some of Benning's good work leads me to believe folks think Benning had no foresight whatsoever. So no, I don't think folks think Benning reached out to see what an extension would cost lol Boeser has been able to sign a long term extension since last summer. He hasn’t as of yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, mll said: Which team is going to want to give up assets for him and then risk having him sign his QO. I've been racking my brain trying to remember, but I'm almost certain teams have permitted other teams to discuss an extension with an RFA prior to moving them... I could be wrong though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, Provost said: Boeser has been able to sign a long term extension since last summer. He hasn’t as of yet. Which is actually working against him. Hes on pace for 50 points this season. No way he’s worth more than 7 at this point. If he’s willing to sign for 6-6.5 mil I’d be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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