Goal:thecup Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said: Agent droppings everywhere! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: I wonder how likely a two year option would be? have you ever heard of a player doing that? Team elected arbitration is rather rare. Don't find all that logical to take 2 years. Can achieve the same thing by taking 1 year as the QO would be whatever the award for that 1 year is. Also a player can only be taken once to team elected arbitration in his career. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Kings Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, BPA said: The QO is there as a means to retain Boeser rights. Boeser doesn’t have to accept it if he and the team are discussing a long term contract. If Canucks do not offer the QO, then JR is stupid and should be fired. If the QO means 7.5M and the Canucks will offer it, then why are there so many discussions about Boeser accepting a 5.5M contract in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, The King of Kings said: If the QO means 7.5M and the Canucks will offer it, then why are there so many discussions about Boeser accepting a 5.5M contract in this thread? term. E.g., for a 6 year deal, 7.5 is too high even though thats what he can get next year, but only for 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, BPA said: The QO is there as a means to retain Boeser rights. Boeser doesn’t have to accept it if he and the team are discussing a long term contract. If Canucks do not offer the QO, then JR is stupid and should be fired. Or JR/PA value the cap space cleared more than Boeser? Maybe, after talking to the other GM's we learned that Bess has no value, because of his QO? I see us either signing Bess to a long term deal at a cap hit PA/JR see as value, or we let him go. Cap space is important to this new management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, HKSR said: I don't think he's worth as much as we think. Likely a B-tier prospect and a 1st. If it's an A-tier prospect, it'd be a 1-for-1. I could likely see a hockey trade with Boeser more than a prospect/pick package. If that 1st was 15th overall or better ide take that with a b tier prospect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, The King of Kings said: If the QO means 7.5M and the Canucks will offer it, then why are there so many discussions about Boeser accepting a 5.5M contract in this thread? They are hoping a long term contract with a $5.5M aav. The QO is only a $7.5M x 1yr. In this high speed contact sport, you’re only 1 hit away from a career ending injury. That’s why long term contracts are sought after cuz it’s guaranteed money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: term. E.g., for a 6 year deal, 7.5 is too high even though thats what he can get next year, but only for 1 year. But he's a ufa though after that one year, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, erkayloomeh said: But he's a ufa though after that one year, correct? 39 minutes ago, mll said: 2 more years. UFA is earliest between age 27 and 7 pro-seasons. A pro-season is minimum 40 games - so that 1st partial year doesn't count as a pro-year towards UFA status and this is his 5th pro-season - so 2 more to go. He turns 27 in 2 more seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, BPA said: They are hoping a long term contract with a $5.5M aav. The QO is only a $7.5M x 1yr. In this high speed contact sport, you’re only 1 hit away from a career ending injury. That’s why long term contracts are sought after cuz it’s guaranteed money. $7.5 even for only one year is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Or JR/PA value the cap space cleared more than Boeser? Maybe, after talking to the other GM's we learned that Bess has no value, because of his QO? I see us either signing Bess to a long term deal at a cap hit PA/JR see as value, or we let him go. Cap space is important to this new management. Then like I said, JR is stupid for not offering a QO. He is basically letting go a young 50pt player go to UFA with nothing in return. At the very least he could trade him for a 2nd if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: @mll does a team elected arbitration decision happen before a QO is tendered? Can happen before or after. For the after situation, only if the player hasn't signed his QO and hasn't filed for arbitration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 So if the team can elect arbitration, get him for less than his QO, and still retain his rights for 1 more year, then why not do that? It makes him more tradable doesn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Goal:thecup said: $7.5 even for only one year is too much. Then Canucks can try to trade him after that. I’m sure 50% retained would get a pick and prospect from a contending team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: So if the team can elect arbitration, get him for less than his QO, and still retain his rights for 1 more year, then why not do that? It makes him more tradable doesn't it? Team elected arbitration but Boeser can decide if 1 or 2yr. If 2yr, it takes him right to UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, BPA said: Then Canucks can try to trade him after that. I’m sure 50% retained would get a pick and prospect from a contending team. No to any retention thanks. No to dragging anymore crap with us from previous years. No to trading 1st round picks away. No to signing overpaid, long term UFAs. Etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just now, BPA said: Team elected arbitration but Boeser can decide if 1 or 2yr. If 2yr, it takes him right to UFA. sure but if the relationship is over anyway, teams trading for him get him at something less than 7.5 for two more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, JM_ said: So if the team can elect arbitration, get him for less than his QO, and still retain his rights for 1 more year, then why not do that? It makes him more tradable doesn't it? Depends on what the arb amount is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just now, JM_ said: So if the team can elect arbitration, get him for less than his QO, and still retain his rights for 1 more year, then why not do that? It makes him more tradable doesn't it? He could elect a 2 year award. His arbitration award can't be less than 85% of his last salary - so 6.375M but that's the floor. Boeser is going to inflate his ask and they'll end up somewhere in the middle. Even if he takes 1 year, it still makes him a 1 year rental if his new team can't agree on a long term deal with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Goal:thecup said: Depends on what the arb amount is. based on his performance and comparable contracts, it has to be less than 7.5 doesn't it? maybe not a lot less but whats the case for higher? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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