Oscars Launch Formal Review of Will Smith After Chris Rock Slap

[Coda]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

see, that's victim blaming 101

Hmm?  I would have thought "victim blaming 101" would be blaming the person who got hit for what happened because they teased someone about their hairdo.  

[Cat Man]

2 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I am explaining that words are far more powerful weapons than your fists/hand. 

 

I made no comparison to rocks or my experiences.

 

Read my reply to @bishopshodan which illustrates how Smith could have used words as a more powerful weapon. 

 

Words are the most powerful weapon of them all. 

 

The power of constant verbal abuse balanced against or in comparison to physical violence finds me unable to describe.

Which worse??  IDK Two dark human traits for sure!!

Think of the many ways it could have played out much better for him and JPS's benefit if WS one of the biggest actors in the

world had handled it differently. How much goodwill could he have earned by strong humility and restraint...with a counter comment here and there.

 

Yes words can be weapons if taken as such.

Not to offend here my friend:) merely to differ.

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Cat Man

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, Coda said:

Hmm?  I would have thought "victim blaming 101" would be blaming the person who got hit for what happened because they teased someone about their hairdo.  

the mysogyny is strong in this one

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

So you are not taking him at his word.

 

It's a bit of a thing for me. I like Chris but for him to lie about it is low. He is the victim here even if it was bad joke so if true, that he lied, that bothers me. 

 

 

Did you see the statement from Kareem? just thought about that regarding minorities. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2022/03/29/kareem-abdul-jabbar-smiths-slap-perpetuated-stereotypes/7208765001/

 

I barely knew who Jada was before this. Wife had to remind me when she came up. So I also didn't know about her medical stuff. 

Brother I don't follow the Oscars or " personalities" however I knew who she is and I had read about her condition, admittedly that was only recently.

 

As I have stated using violence should always be the last resort. 

 

Only Chris knows if he is telling the truth however as I stated these people are very conversant with each other's lives.

 

What I find distinctly hypocritical is a couple of posters here screaming blue murder about a slap, while glorifying in the death of Russian soldiers in Ukraine. 

 

While there is a good reason for the Ukrainian people to be defending their homeland, I find that glorifying in the death of others to be a particular sad comment about a person. 

 

 

[Ilunga]

15 minutes ago, Cat Man said:

The power of constant verbal abuse balanced against or in comparison to physical violence finds me unable to describe.

Which worse?? Two dark human traits for sure!!

Yes words can be weapons if taken as such.

 

Not to offend here my friend:) merely to differ.

 

No offence taken, thank you for your politeness. 

 

I will put it to you this way.

 

Smith used violence/ a violent act to make a point.

Look where this has got him. 

 

If Smith had used words, walked up to to Rock expressed his feelings and why he felt this way we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

So tell me in the context of this discussion which " weapon" would have been more powerful for Smith ?

 

Words ?

Or violence ?

[Coda]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

the mysogyny is strong in this one

What are you even talking about.  No: thinking that the guy who got hit for telling a run-of-the mill joke about a woman is the victim is not misogyny.  Do you think the women on the view are misogynists?  (whole clip but those words at 2:25).

 

 

Do you think Ellen Degeneres and Wanda Sykes are misogynists?  

 

 

 

[Ilunga]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

I deal with the effects of verbal bullying every day.  If you think that it's not as devastating, or more, than physical assault then you've probably been on the wrong side of that equation.

 

 

This I totally agree with.

 

The verbal abuse I got at my own school affected me far more than the psychical abuse I received when I went over to the technical school to catch their bus home. 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Ilunga

[Cat Man]

16 minutes ago, stawns said:

the mysogyny is strong in this one

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/two-americas-debating-will-smith-chris-rock-oscars-slap/629407/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

 

It's not only us friendly Canucks Folks here back and forth...ing this shameful occurrence. Gender or colour will also influence ones opinion understandably.

As I said earlier...what if it was Wanda Sykes? Comedy has and always will challenge and push!

George Carlin...Lenny Bruce...Richard Pryor consider how they would have felt of this. 

[Cat Man]

14 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

 

 

 

  

 

If Smith had used words, walked up to to Rock expressed his feelings and why he felt this way we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

Words ?

Or violence ?

If only he had:) left it to restraint and words. 

Bedtime..enough of me in this thread. 

See you all in the PGT.   GCG

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

you know who cares about "wokeness" or "cancel culture"?  White men and sometimes the white women beside them.  That should tell us something

You where that term originated from ?

 

Martin Luther King.

 

It was from the title of a speech he gave at the Oberlin college 

 

Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution.  

 

Unfortunately that revolution failed.

[Ilunga]

3 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

 

I know.

You know my one sis is a psychologist and the other a superintendent of our district's school board. Oh, and my wife works in the counselling office of a high school.

 

I hear you. I hear the stories. 

 

Also, I think you tried to say something about me in there. I don't mind. 

Your a $#$$$# great person brother. 

 

I wish more posters had your respect for others and their opinions.

[Ilunga]

4 hours ago, Odd. said:

You’re a real piece of work.

 

I don’t care if you’re a male or female or whatever you identify as, under no circumstance is assaulting someone the appropriate response.

 

As someone who’s grown up watching both parents assault each other, I will forever die on this hill.

I really empathise with your family history and I am conversant with your thread telling us about you being  APSD.

 

You talked about bullying people both physically and verbally. 

You have told us in that story that you had to quote your words, " a normal childhood". 

 

Anyway you are are fully entitled to your opinion however where I take offence is when you call a fellow board member and a friend of mine a piece of work.

 

First off all my friend was doing was expressing her point of view and secondly I don't like people abusing anyone, especially my friends.

 

 

 

[Odd.]

18 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

I really empathise with your family history and I am conversant with your thread telling us about you being  APSD.

 

You talked about bullying people both physically and verbally. 

You have told us in that story that you had to quote your words, " a normal childhood". 

 

Anyway you are are fully entitled to your opinion however where I take offence is when you call a fellow board member and a friend of mine a piece of work.

 

First off all my friend was doing was expressing her point of view and secondly I don't like people abusing anyone, especially my friends.

 

 

 

Having ASPD means you lack empathy. People with aspd still know right from wrong. My experience in that thread was my childhood growing up and my experiences and the overall stigmatization of ASPD. 
 

Yes people with ASPD  have very little to no emotional response to majority of things, that said, we can understand actions have consequences, and how negative actions may have a ripple effect on others. 
 

Maybe to say my childhood was normal was quite a reach, but I especially didn’t experience any type of physical trauma/neglect. And I also mentioned I’m not a violent person in nature. Anyways, this thread isn’t about me, much rather stay on topic. 

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Odd.

[Ilunga]

2 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Having ASPD means you lack empathy. People with aspd still know right from wrong. My experience in that thread was my childhood growing up and my experiences and the overall stigmatization of ASPD. 
 

Maybe to say my childhood was normal was quite a reach, but I especially didn’t experience any type of physical trauma/neglect. And I also mentioned I’m not a violent person in nature. Anyways, this thread isn’t about me, much rather stay on topic. 

 

My topic is you insulted my friend for merely stating her opinion. 

 

@Cerridwen doesn't deserved to be insulted like that or anyone else for that matter. 

 

I would like you to apologise to her.

 

 

[Odd.]

8 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

My topic is you insulted my friend for merely stating her opinion. 

 

@Cerridwen doesn't deserved to be insulted like that or anyone else for that matter. 

 

I would like you to apologise to her.

 

 

I said she’s a real piece of work… in the sense that it’s hard to get my point across to her as to why hitting someone (even if that said person said an inappropriate joke) is not an excuse to hit someone.

I did not insult her at all. 

I apologize if I came out as insensitive to her. If she feels I’ve insulted her, I don’t know what else to say. I did not call her names or say anything derogatory. 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Odd.

[Ilunga]

2 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I said she’s a real piece of work… in the sense that it’s hard to get my point across to her as to why hitting someone (even if that said person said an inappropriate joke) is not an excuse to hit someone.

I did not insult her at all. 

I apologize if I came out as insensitive to her. If she feels I’ve insulted her, I don’t know what else to say. I did not call her names or say anything derogatory. 

When you call some one a piece of work here in Aus that is pretty demeaning/ disparaging to them. 

 

It originates from Shakespeare's Hamlet, act 2 scene 2. 

 

Anyway thanks for the apology, speaks a lot about your character.

 

 

[Odd.]

12 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

When you call some one a piece of work here in Aus that is pretty demeaning/ disparaging to them. 

 

It originates from Shakespeare's Hamlet, act 2 scene 2. 

 

Anyway thanks for the apology, speaks a lot about your character.

 

 

I see. I’ve always used the idiom ‘piece of work’ to refer to someone being difficult to get a certain point across. I just searched it up, can totally see the confusion 

[Coda]

https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith-did-a-bad-bad-thing?s=r&fbclid=IwAR1d7mB0OW_g37M9ZBcnHRei9ivaFeNufdK7V57riBZx_oNvpHidmM9Otio

 

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (UCLA ‘69) writes:

"When Will Smith stormed onto the Oscar stage to strike Chris Rock for making a joke about his wife's short hair, he did a lot more damage than just to Rock's face. With a single petulant blow, he advocated violence, diminished women, insulted the entertainment industry, and perpetuated stereotypes about the Black community. That's a lot to unpack. Let's start with the facts: Rock made a reference to Smith's wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, as looking like Demi Moore in 'G.I. Jane,' in which Moore had shaved her head. Jada Pinkett Smith suffers from alopecia, which causes hair loss. Ok, I can see where the Smiths might not have found that joke funny. But Hollywood awards shows are traditionally a venue where much worse things have been said about celebrities as a means of downplaying the fact that it's basically a gathering of multimillionaires giving each other awards to boost business so they can make even more money. The Smiths could have reacted by politely laughing along with the joke or by glowering angrily at Rock. Instead, Smith felt the need to get up in front of his industry peers and millions of people around the world, hit another man, then return to his seat to bellow: 'Keep my wife's name out of your &^@#ing mouth.' Twice. Some have romanticized Smith's actions as that of a loving husband defending his wife. Comedian Tiffany Haddish, who starred in the movie 'Girls Trip' with Pinkett Smith, praised Smith's actions: '[F]or me, it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen because it made me believe that there are still men out there that love and care about their women, their wives.' Actually, it was the opposite. Smith's slap was also a slap to women. If Rock had physically attacked Pinkett Smith, Smith's intervention would have been welcome. Or if he'd remained in his seat and yelled his post-slap threat, that would have been unnecessary, but understandable. But by hitting Rock, he announced that his wife was incapable of defending herself—against words. From everything I'd seen of Pinkett Smith over the years, she's a very capable, tough, smart woman who can single-handedly take on a lame joke at the Academy Awards show. This patronizing, paternal attitude infantilizes women and reduces them to helpless damsels needing a Big Strong Man to defend their honor least they swoon from the vapors. If he was really doing it for his wife, and not his own need to prove himself, he might have thought about the negative attention this brought on them, much harsher than the benign joke. That would have been truly defending and respecting her. This 'women need men to defend them' is the same justification currently being proclaimed by conservatives passing laws to restrict abortion and the LGBTQ+ community. Worse than the slap was Smith's tearful, self-serving acceptance speech in which he rambled on about all the women in the movie 'King Richard' that he's protected. Those who protect don't brag about it in front of 15 million people. They just do it and shut up. You don't do it as a movie promotion claiming how you're like the character you just won an award portraying. But, of course, the speech was about justifying his violence. Apparently, so many people need Smith's protection that occasionally it gets too much and someone needs to be smacked. What is the legacy of Smith's violence? He's brought back the Toxic Bro ideal of embracing Kobra Kai teachings of 'might makes right' and 'talk is for losers.' Let's not forget that this macho John Wayne philosophy was expressed in two movies in which Wayne spanked grown women to teach them a lesson. Young boys—especially Black boys—watching their movie idol not just hit another man over a joke, but then justify it as him being a superhero-like protector, are now much more prone to follow in his childish footsteps. Perhaps the saddest confirmation of this is the tweet from Smith's child Jaden: 'And That’s How We Do It.' The Black community also takes a direct hit from Smith. One of the main talking points from those supporting the systemic racism in America is characterizing Blacks as more prone to violence and less able to control their emotions. Smith just gave comfort to the enemy by providing them with the perfect optics they were dreaming of. Many will be reinvigorated to continue their campaign to marginalize African Americans and others through voter suppression campaign. As for the damage to show business, Smith's violence is an implied threat to all comedians who now have to worry that an edgy or insulting joke might be met with violence. Good thing Don Rickles, Bill Burr, or Ricky Gervais weren't there. As comedian Kathy Griffin tweeted: 'Now we all have to worry about who wants to be the next Will Smith in comedy clubs and theaters.' The one bright note is that Chris Rock, clearly stunned, managed to handle the moment with grace and maturity. If only Smith's acceptance speech had shown similar grace and maturity—and included, instead of self-aggrandizing excuses, a heartfelt apology to Rock."

[Coda]

/

Edited March 31, 2022 by Coda

[Coda]

/

Edited March 31, 2022 by Coda