RUPERTKBD Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: I gave my thought quite clearly. Elon is one of the biggest targets in the world right now, if someone tried to stop a car his kid was travelling in then this is a rational move for any parent. It's nothing to do with whether you like/hate Elon. It's also nothing to do with a reporter linking to a site that tracks Elon's jet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 If Elon is going to ban a guy, and anyone that links to that guys account, for publishing publicly available information then: Should he not have the intestinal fortitude to ban every single government or political account as the government allows this info to be public, and politicians are part of the government? Go for it Elon!! Dump the White House and all those government folk. BE consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 FWIW, I just watched an interview with CNN's Donie O'Sullivan and he said he didn't link to anything. He was reporting on the Elon Jet account suspension, but he didn't post any links to the site..... I know some folks think of CNN as nothing by "Fake News!", but I'll believe Donie long before I believe a word that comes out of Elon's mouth. I think he's been lying through his teeth since this whole Twitter fiasco began.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I think he's been lying since high school, perhaps before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Welp, that didn't work out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Thing is nobody has revealed Elon's location. They did reveal where his plane was/is. This guy is supposedly so smart, but keeps yapping about HIs exact location being revealed. My car is often many miles from my actual location, and planes, being stuck at the airport would be even further. Edited December 17, 2022 by Gurn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alflives Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said: FWIW, I just watched an interview with CNN's Donie O'Sullivan and he said he didn't link to anything. He was reporting on the Elon Jet account suspension, but he didn't post any links to the site..... I know some folks think of CNN as nothing by "Fake News!", but I'll believe Donie long before I believe a word that comes out of Elon's mouth. I think he's been lying through his teeth since this whole Twitter fiasco began.... CNN is the Alf’s only source of US news. Is there a more respected reporter than Christiane Amanpour? Anderson Cooper is responsible too. Wolf Blitzer! Musk is an idiot to be pushing that company away. I think Musk missed the mark on deciding who buys Teslas. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Playoff Beered Posted December 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Elon Musk claims ‘crazy stalker’ followed his son but hasn’t reported it to LAPD, cops say https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-15/elon-musks-stalker-incident-no-police-report-lapd-says Quote After Twitter suspended an account that had been providing publicly available flight data for Elon Musk’s private jet, the social media platform’s new owner and chief executive suggested that the page put him and his family in danger. In a three-tweet thread, Musk said any account providing “real-time” location information of any person would be suspended because “it is a physical safety violation.” The billionaire also alleged that on Tuesday night, a “crazy stalker” followed and climbed onto the hood of a car carrying Musk’s son. Musk promised to take legal action against the college student who ran the flight-tracking account, which went by @ElonJet, and any “organizations who supported harm to my family.” On Thursday, the Los Angeles Police Department said no police report had been filed about the incident that drew Musk’s concern. “LAPD’s Threat Management Unit is aware of the situation and Tweet by Elon Musk and is in contact with his representatives and security team,” the department said in a statement. “No crime reports have been filed yet.” The police statement comes as Twitter and Musk face increasing scrutiny over a wave of suspensions, including several journalists who cover Musk. Among those whose accounts were suspended Thursday night are Ryan Mac from the New York Times, Donie O'Sullivan from CNN, Matt Binder from Mashable, Drew Harwell from the Washington Post, political pundit Keith Olbermann and Steve Herman from the government-funded Voice of America. Harwell’s last post before being suspended was about Twitter removing the account of one of its competitors, Mastodon, for posting a link to its own version of the @ElonJet account that tracked Musk’s plane, according to a tweet from NBC News reporter Ben Collins. O'Sullivan and Binder’s accounts were suspended after they shared the LAPD’s statement. Binder said Thursday that he was suspended immediately after sharing a screenshot from O'Sullivan of the statement. “I did not share any location data, as per Twitter’s new terms. Nor did I share any links to ElonJet or other location tracking accounts,” Binder said. “I have been highly critical of Musk but never broke any of Twitter’s listed policies.” Musk, a self-described free speech absolutist, vowed to make sweeping changes to the social media platform once he finalized his control over the company, though last month, he tweeted that his “commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.” On Wednesday, Twitter announced a policy update that prohibited the sharing of “live location information, including information shared on Twitter directly or links to 3rd-party URL(s) of travel routes.” “We don’t make exceptions to this policy for journalists or any other accounts,” Twitter’s head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin told the Verge via email. Thursday night, Musk posted several tweets responding to the journalists’ account suspensions. “Criticizing me all day long is totally fine, but doxxing my real-time location and endangering my family is not,” one tweet read. “They posted my exact real-time location, basically assassination coordinates, in (obvious) direct violation of Twitter terms of service,” said another. Musk also briefly joined a Twitter Spaces audio chat room in which several of the banned journalists were discussing the news. “You show the link to real-time information, ban evasion,” Musk said. “You dox, you get suspended, end of story, that’s it.” Banned Washington Post tech reporter Harwell, who was also in the chat room, responded: “This is reporting ... there is reporting value in public data.” Times staff writer Jaimie Ding contributed to this report. I seriously think he might be making this all up to justify cancelling journalists that he doesn't like because they are critical of him. Edited December 17, 2022 by Playoff Beered 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Here's the thing, at the time the journalists tweeted the information they were NOT violating the TOS. Musk then went and changed the TOS (didn't get anyone to agree to the new terms) and retroactively banned them. This is the behaviour of a clown. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smashian Kassian Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 8 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: It's also nothing to do with a reporter linking to a site that tracks Elon's jet.... I posted a tweet elsewhere in this thread but Elon had applied for some kind of protection against his private jet, therefore making it illegal apparently. I'm not trying to say anyone shouldn't have a negative opinion of Elon. So I'll ask again, how does it make sense strategically (from the Anti-Elon POV) for anyone to do this? 9 hours ago, 4petesake said: Do you know this to be true? Before EM took over Twitter there were probably like 12 people that had heard of Mastodon.You have to know what you’re looking for on Mastadon so it’s certainly not a good platform for introducing new ideas/thoughts. Musk tried to buy the elonjet site from Jack Sweeney but the kid wouldn’t budge. Now that he has banned him and any journalist who talks about or links to the platform he should expect a huge uptick in interest about the site. The Streisand effect is real. From what I understand - I haven't done a deep dive - the Mastadon Twitter account was one of the first ones posting this on Twitter (either the information itself or that it was on Mastadon) & therefore one of the first ones Twitter banned in this ordeal. I know Mastadon wasn't well know before EM took over (I had no clue about it) but that seems to be the site most Anti-Elon folks are choosing as an alternative so it makes sense from that perspective. I've struggled to make sense of this strategically, but you make a good point about the Streisand effect & maybe that was the strategy here. Keith Olbermann seems quite happy to be a Martyr so... I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Heffy Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said: He's been quite open with the fact he supports enemies of democracy. Not sure why this would be a surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Warhippy said: Musk and Musk fans: Tracking people is wrong. Also Musk Thanks for confirming I'm a Musk fan, I'm now going to get a Musk tattoo on the opposite cheek from my Trump Tattoo so that they can stare happily at each other. 9 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said: You questioned someone who said Musk doesn’t care about all his family, did you not? I posted evidence that yes, it’s true he doesn’t care about all his family. Does family safety not also include having your child feel safe when they’re with their parents? Or does it only count if other people allegedly make your child feel unsafe? See, you’re coming at this from the point of believing what Musk says happened. We have no proof of that. No police were called or report was filed (the police actually had to reach out to him first after learning about this incident on social media). For such a traumatic incident he claims happened one would think the father would immediately file a police complaint in the interest of preventing that supposed awful act against his child from happening again right? There’s also the easily accessible cameras in all teslas where he can post the footage to verify the claims of what he said happened. Yet he hasn’t posted a very concrete way to verify his story. If that was what actually happened then yes the person that was following the car, blocked it from moving and jumping on the hood of the car was an idiot and it shouldn’t have happened. There’s differing levels of danger/intimidation though. Did the person just do that or did they do something more serious like issuing threats or carrying a weapon? Did they immediately stop once finding out Musk wasn’t in the car or did they continue scaring the child? One thing that is certain is he posted the license plate of a car publicly. He doxxed a person. Given the extremism/crazy of many people in the US does that person who owns the car now face a greater danger? Like death threats or damaging their vehicle/home or phone calls and stalking to intimidate them? Which is the worse act to do? Does that person deserve all of what the internet psychos will be giving to them for daring to cross someone they revere? Or are they the bigger victim here? Ok, so let’s assume his plane is eligible and has a PIA requested, granted and verified. I looked up the page for it to understand the details. It’s not absolute. In fact, the flights Musk has been complaining about are exempted from the PIA. https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy Where can I fly using the PIA? This program is intended for flights that start, terminate, and transit only within the territorial airspace of the United States (the airspace above the contiguous United States, Alaska, Hawaii, U.S. territories, and U.S. territorial waters). A few examples are: A flight from NYC to LA is allowed. A flight from Miami to Houston, over the Gulf of Mexico, is not allowed. A flight from LA to Hawaii is not allowed, but a flight within a Hawaiian island (e.g. Honolulu to Kailua) is allowed. A flight from NYC to London is not allowed. When using a PIA, flight operations are only permitted outside U.S. territorial airspace when temporarily directed by ATC, such as, but not limited to, vectoring to avoid weather, or while on departures/approaches from coastal airports. I was steel-manning his perspective. I never said you can't still believe he's full of crap. That's your right & I'm not interested in changing your mind. Is the license plate enough data for you to know who's owns the car or where they are in real time? If not it doesn't seem to be the same, as the real-time tracking is the big thing. Why even defending this incident? Again I don't understand strategically how this makes any sense. I'm not a fan of Trudeau for example but I wouldn't advocate or defend this happening to him/his family. And I'm pretty sure the flight was within the US (based on a screen grab I saw of the original Sweeny tweet), but I could be wrong if you have more information? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Thanks for confirming I'm a Musk fan, I'm now going to get a Musk tattoo on the opposite cheek from my Trump Tattoo so that they can stare happily at each other. I was steel-manning his perspective. I never said you can't still believe he's full of crap. That's your right & I'm not interested in changing your mind. Is the license plate enough data for you to know who's owns the car or where they are in real time? If not it doesn't seem to be the same, as the real-time tracking is the big thing. Why even defending this incident? Again I don't understand strategically how this makes any sense. I'm not a fan of Trudeau for example but I wouldn't advocate or defend this happening to him/his family. And I'm pretty sure the flight was within the US (based on a screen grab I saw of the original Sweeny tweet), but I could be wrong if you have more information? What's your take on the fact he made no police report about his son being stalked? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Just now, Playoff Beered said: What's your take on the fact he made no police report about his son being stalked? Idk on the surface it seems odd, but if your the richest man in the world a local police department is probably down the list on your accessible resources. I guess we could go down the conspiracy road but Keith Olbermann is an odd target in that case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Idk on the surface it seems odd, but if your the richest man in the world a local police department is probably down the list on your accessible resources. I guess we could go down the conspiracy road but Keith Olbermann is an odd target in that case. Odd indeed, and I would assume there is a security detail around him and immediate family at all times, it kinda goes with the territory of being super rich. I read an article a few years ago about what these folks pay for security and its in the millions a year per person. Bezos, Zuckerberg etc. Edited December 17, 2022 by Playoff Beered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said: Odd indeed, and I would assume there is a security detail around him and immediate family at all times, it kinda goes with the territory of being super rich. I read an article a few years ago about what these folks pay for security and its in the millions a year per person. Bezos, Zuckerberg etc. I would assume so. If I'm trying to star-man his perspective; he was already the richest man in the world & he's definitely become more of a target since buying twitter + advocating people to vote republican (LOL), so I can understand taking any measure available since he owns the platform. I would do the same in his situation. And honestly it doesn't seem like an inconsistently either b/c when asked of re-instating Alex Jones he said "My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat. I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame." despite saying he was going to grant a general amnesty & being a "free speech absolutist" so... I'm not really sure where I'm at with him buying twitter, but the drama has been entertaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I would assume so. If I'm trying to star-man his perspective; he was already the richest man in the world & he's definitely become more of a target since buying twitter + advocating people to vote republican (LOL), so I can understand taking any measure available since he owns the platform. I would do the same in his situation. And honestly it doesn't seem like an inconsistently either b/c when asked of re-instating Alex Jones he said "My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat. I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame." despite saying he was going to grant a general amnesty & being a "free speech absolutist" so... I'm not really sure where I'm at with him buying twitter, but the drama has been entertaining. no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame, 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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