[PROPOSAL] JT Miller to Vegas Golden Knights

[JM_]

14 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

If Miller walks in free agency for nothing we're &^@#ed. It would be a huge setback. Need to think way more long-term than just one season.

 

IMO that is the worst-case scenario.

 

nah its not that bad. B-assets for Miller in some desperation trade scenario isn't going to move the needle much. 

[JM_]

21 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If JR is taking that route he should probably head to Vegas and put everything on black...

same logic applies to acquiring lesser assets with low chances of making the NHL. 

 

Trading in desperation for anything, just for the sake of so-called asset management, isn't a great idea either. 

Edited May 14, 2022 by JM_

[Elias Pettersson]

13 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Consult.  Sure.  But if Rutherford is making the decision then Allvin is a lame duck GM and this management team is as messed up as the last one. 

Allvin not only has to consult with JR, he has to run everything by the 100 AGM's on staff as well...

[Elias Pettersson]

6 minutes ago, JM_ said:

same logic applies to acquiring lesser assets with low chances of making the NHL. 

 

Trading in desperation for anything, just for the sake of so-called asset management, isn't a great idea either. 

We traded Motte for a 4th round pick at the deadline so he didn't walk for nothing because of asset management.  Now you are letting me believe that we are going to let Miller walk for nothing?  I'm sorry to say but that scenario isn't going to happen.  We either sign Miller to an extension this summer or we are going to trade him this summer to the highest bidder...

[JM_]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

We traded Motte for a 4th round pick at the deadline so he didn't walk for nothing because of asset management.  Now you are letting me believe that we are going to let Miller walk for nothing?  I'm sorry to say but that scenario isn't going to happen.  We either sign Miller to an extension this summer or we are going to trade him this summer to the highest bidder...

Motte isn't Miller. If JR thinks Millers 90+ points is the difference between making the playoffs or not, he's not going to just take a lowball offer. 

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Allvin not only has to consult with JR, he has to run everything by the 100 AGM's on staff as well...

I wonder if Aquilini has to be involved too?  He sets the direction.  

[Junkyard Dog]

3 minutes ago, JM_ said:

nah its not that bad. B-assets for Miller in some desperation trade scenario isn't going to move the needle much. 

It is by far the worst-case scenario. Considerably worse than anything else. Players were upset we let guys walk in 2020. Miller of all people would probably be the last straw.  At least in a trade you could make any sort of case with the return, even a bad one, but to get nothing would give you nothing to make any case to the players in any sort of team outlook. It would be the beginning of the end of the core.

 

JR/PA have made it clear they have eyes on building a long-term contender so this would be a complete 180. Unless you're like terminally ill I don't think you should deadset on 1 year of unguaranteed success. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, JM_ said:

Motte isn't Miller. If JR thinks Millers 90+ points is the difference between making the playoffs or not, he's not going to just take a lowball offer. 

So do we then play with Miller on the final year if his contract?  What do we do at the 2023 TDL if both Miller and Bo are coming UFAs, and we are a playoff team?  Risk losing them for nothing or trade them at the TDL as fall out of a playoff spot?  

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

I wonder if Aquilini has to be involved too?  He sets the direction.  

JR said you have to manage up as a President so yeah. 

[JM_]

Just now, Junkyard Dog said:

It is by far the worst-case scenario. Considerably worse than anything else. Players were upset we let guys walk in 2020. Miller of all people would probably be the last straw.  At least in a trade you could make any sort of case with the return, even a bad one, but to get nothing would give you nothing to make any case to the players in any sort of team outlook. It would be the beginning of the end of the core.

 

JR/PA have made it clear they have eyes on building a long-term contender so this would be a complete 180. Unless you're like terminally ill I don't think you should deadset on 1 year of unguaranteed success. 

but what's the context? if we're keeping him to allow the team to make a run, then why would the players be mad? 

 

We need to cut the cord already with the Benning years. Nothing JR does has anything to do with Jimbo. 

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So do we then play with Miller on the final year if his contract?  What do we do at the 2023 TDL if both Miller and Bo are coming UFAs, and we are a playoff team?  Risk losing them for nothing or trade them at the TDL as fall out of a playoff spot?  

maybe. Maybe a hockey trade emerges. We'll just have to see. 

 

Trading from a pov of desperation is just negotiating against yourself. Its not a good idea. 

 

Maybe both sign an extension during the year too. 

 

Edited May 14, 2022 by JM_

[Elias Pettersson]

10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So do we then play with Miller on the final year if his contract?  What do we do at the 2023 TDL if both Miller and Bo are coming UFAs, and we are a playoff team?  Risk losing them for nothing or trade them at the TDL as fall out of a playoff spot?  

I'm pretty sure BO signs an extension in the summer.  It would be the craziest thing ever if we let Miller and BO play out their final years without extensions in place...

[Junkyard Dog]

22 minutes ago, JM_ said:

but what's the context? if we're keeping him to allow the team to make a run, then why would the players be mad? 

 

We need to cut the cord already with the Benning years. Nothing JR does has anything to do with Jimbo. 

Making a run then losing a key guy like back in 2020? Hughes and Petey were upset Tanev/Toffoli left. As was Horvat. 

 

Horvat back then

 

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“It did take me awhile to get over that,” he said. “It still does. It was weird not seeing them at camp, especially Tanny and Marky after playing with them for six years. It's tough not having those guys in the room and on the ice with you, especially after the (playoff) bubble where you played together so hard and did whatever it took for one another."

 

He also talked about refusing to accept taking a step back. Wonder how'd he think as a fellow potential UFA seeing Miller walk. 

 

It has nothing to be with who was in charge but how things panned out. If things pan out similarly how will the players respond? Worst-case scenario by far or 2nd to not making the playoffs and letting him walk.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Junkyard Dog

[Elias Pettersson]

44 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Making a run then losing a key guy like back in 2020? Hughes and Petey were upset Tanev/Toffoli left. As was Horvat. 

 

Horvat back then

 

 

He also talked about refusing to accept taking a step back. Wonder how'd he think as a fellow potential UFA seeing Miller walk. 

 

It has nothing to be with who was in charge but how things panned out. If things pan out similarly how will the players respond? Worst-case scenario by far or 2nd to not making the playoffs and letting him walk.

Letting Miller walk for free would be a PR disaster.  Aquilini would never let it happen...

[Alflives]

18 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Letting Miller walk for free would be a PR disaster.  Aquilini would never let it happen...

We have Bruce back for one year.  Price tag is 2.5 mil.

We trade away Miller this summer (for youth) we clearly are not as good and taking a step back.

 

Is Bruce the coach for that kind of direction?  I think not, especially considering he’s signed for just the one year.

Next year at this time we will be hiring a new coach on a three year deal that totals (for all three years) 2.5 mil.  

Imo that’s what JR was hoping to do this summer.  He was hoping ?Bruce would not take the option year, so he could hire a new coach for three years.  Then that new coach would take the club through the stepping back year our two.  

 

Its almost like JR has no choice but to go all in for this last year of Bruce, or what’s the point of that 2.5 mil?  

[Junkyard Dog]

15 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Letting Miller walk for free would be a PR disaster.  Aquilini would never let it happen...

For sure. In 2020-21 players(Petey/Hughes especially) had to constantly face media always asking about the losses(Tanev/Toffoli) over the 2020 off-season and how that impacted the season. 

 

You either re-sign him or look for the best offer. JR/PA have numbers(fair I hope) in mind for Miller so if it works out it works out. If not then he'll get dealt. This off-season has the most suitors for trade so it would be better to try to figure out a conclusion to extension talks this off-season. He shouldn't go into 2022-23 as an upcoming UFA. 

 

We need to limit as many question marks going into next year. That means decisions on Boeser/Miller, try to get Horvat re-signed, cap cleared for flexibility, etc.

[mll]

Just now, Junkyard Dog said:

For sure. In 2020-21 players(Petey/Hughes especially) had to constantly face media always asking about the losses(Tanev/Toffoli) over the 2020 off-season and how that impacted the season. 

 

You either re-sign him or look for the best offer. JR/PA have numbers(fair I hope) in mind for Miller so if it works out it works out. If not then he'll get dealt. This off-season has the most suitors for trade so it would be better to try to figure out a conclusion to extension talks this off-season. He shouldn't go into 2022-23 as an upcoming UFA. 

 

We need to limit as many question marks going into next year. That means decisions on Boeser/Miller, try to get Horvat re-signed, cap cleared for flexibility, etc.

 

They say it will be an un-emotional decision but will it be for the players.  Might depend on whether they make the post-season or not.  Forsberg literally gave a big thumbs down on social media when Arvidsson got traded.  He then expanded that futures does nothing for the roster when he wants to compete.  He refused to extend and wanted to see how the season went 1st.  

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, mll said:

 

They say it will be an un-emotional decision but will it be for the players.  Might depend on whether they make the post-season or not.  Forsberg literally gave a big thumbs down on social media when Arvidsson got traded.  He then expanded that futures does nothing for the roster when he wants to compete.  He refused to extend and wanted to see how the season went 1st.  

What are you exactly implying in regards with Miller?

[JM_]

6 minutes ago, mll said:

 

They say it will be an un-emotional decision but will it be for the players.  Might depend on whether they make the post-season or not.  Forsberg literally gave a big thumbs down on social media when Arvidsson got traded.  He then expanded that futures does nothing for the roster when he wants to compete.  He refused to extend and wanted to see how the season went 1st.  

this is what I think would happen if Miller is moved for "asset management" purposes only. I think the team would much rather go into next year with Miller vs some other scenario where the team isn't immediately improved. 

[Elias Pettersson]

14 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

For sure. In 2020-21 players(Petey/Hughes especially) had to constantly face media always asking about the losses(Tanev/Toffoli) over the 2020 off-season and how that impacted the season. 

 

You either re-sign him or look for the best offer. JR/PA have numbers(fair I hope) in mind for Miller so if it works out it works out. If not then he'll get dealt. This off-season has the most suitors for trade so it would be better to try to figure out a conclusion to extension talks this off-season. He shouldn't go into 2022-23 as an upcoming UFA. 

 

We need to limit as many question marks going into next year. That means decisions on Boeser/Miller, try to get Horvat re-signed, cap cleared for flexibility, etc.

I agree 100% on all of that...