2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said:

 

Allvin, as a GM with an amateur scouting background, I'm betting he's gonna go with his own guy over Harvey's. Sandin-Pellikka seems a little too on the nose, and I believe this is too early for him. Delorme is a high ranking guy there based out of the west, so I dunno, call it a hunch. He also fits the big center mould everyone is crying for. It wouldn't be my pick personally. If the draft fell the way I have it through ten, Sale would be my guy, followed by Barlow. But the comparisons I'm seeing for Honzek - Dainus Zubrus, Michael Handzus, those are important players. Using @hammertime's rubrick, this would be the retool strategy of looking to add a piece that fills a spot and is close to ready, rather than the rebuild strategy of looking to score the best player down the road.

 

I mean it is very impressive that Hanzek has transitioned to North America on his own, and it's a huge step for someone so young. 

 

I remember that Montreal loved that about Juraj Slafkovski, he had moved away from home and was playing professional hockey at the age of 16 or whatever it was. 

[mll]

4 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:

12. Arizona - Zach Benson - CHL again, but they took the heavy center with the first pick, so they go all skill and upside here.

13. Buffalo - Colby Barlow - Under Jerry Forton they've gone mostly CHL or Europe (Sweden), but not a long track record with NTDP.

14. Pittsburgh - Oliver Moore - Minnesota connection with the new head scout Nick Pryor.

15. Nashville - Eduard Sale - Nashville is always impossible to predict under this regime. They'll go BPA from anywhere and everywhere.

16. Calgary - Tom Willander - Flames head scout Tod Button has drafted mostly from CHL and especially OHL in the first round. But he has also taken Valimaki, Kylington and Andersson with early round picks.

17. Detroit - Axel Sandin-Pellikka - Yzerman and co. passed on the smallish Swede at 9, but Andersson is stoked to get a second chance at the kid. Detroit is loaded with big, talented D in the system now they can afford to take a flyer on the powerplay specialist.

18. Winnipeg - Gabe Perreault - Jets head scout Hillier has a long and successful track record with the USHL/NTDP.

19. Chicago - Brayden Yager

20. Seattle - Calum Ritchie

21. Minnesota - David Edstrom

22. Columbus - Daniil But

 

Re Nashville:  

 

[AV's Coin]

McKeens

 

Simashev top d man at #9

Reinbacher #16

 

Lots of D men in the19 range if we decide to drop back

 

Spoiler

RANK	PLAYER	POS	HT/WT	DOB	NATION	TEAM	GP-G-A-PTS
1	Connor Bedard	C	5-10/185	17-Jul-05	Canada	Regina (WHL)	57-71-72-143
2	Adam Fantilli	C	6-2/195	12-Oct-04	Canada	Michigan (B1G)	36-30-35-65
3	Leo Carlsson	C	6-3/200	26-Dec-04	Sweden	Orebro (SHL)	44-10-15-25
4	Will Smith	C	6-0/175	17-Mar-05	USA	USN U18 (USDP)	59-51-75-126
5	Matvei Michkov	RW	5-10/170	9-Dec-04	Russia	SKA St. Petersburg-HK Sochi (KHL)	30-9-11-20
6	Zach Benson	LW	5-9/160	12-May-05	Canada	Winnipeg (WHL)	60-36-62-98
7	Dalibor Dvorsky	C	6-1/200	15-Jun-05	Slovakia	AIK (HockeyAllsvenskan)	38-6-8-14
8	Ryan Leonard	RW	5-11/190	21-Jan-05	USA	USN U18 (USDP)	56-50-43-93
9	Dmitri Simashev	D	6-4/200	4-Feb-05	Russia	Loko Yaroslavl-Loko-76 Yaroslavl (MHL)	33-1-11-12
10	Matthew Wood	RW	6-3/195	6-Feb-05	Canada	Connecticut (HE)	35-11-23-34
11	Oliver Moore	C	5-11/185	22-Jan-05	USA	USN U18 (USDP)	60-31-43-74
12	Colby Barlow	LW	6-0/195	14-Feb-05	Canada	Owen Sound (OHL)	59-46-33-79
13	Nate Danielson	C	6-1/185	27-Sep-04	Canada	Brandon (WHL)	68-33-45-78
14	Axel Sandin Pellikka	D	5-11/180	11-Mar-05	Sweden	Skelleftea (Swe J20)	31-16-20-36
15	Daniil But	LW	6-5/200	15-Feb-05	Russia	Loko Yaroslavl-Loko-76 Yaroslavl (MHL)	32-18-14-32
16	David Reinbacher	D	6-2/185	25-Oct-04	Austria	Kloten (Sui-NL)	46-3-19-22
17	Eduard Sale	LW	6-1/170	10-Mar-05	Czech	HC Kometa Brno (Czechia)	43-7-7-14
18	Samuel Honzek	LW	6-3/185	12-Nov-04	Slovakia	Vancouver (WHL)	43-23-33-56
19	Mikhail Gulyayev	D	5-11/170	26-Apr-05	Russia	Omskie Yastreby (MHL)	22-2-23-25
20	Lukas Dragicevic	D	6-1/190	25-Apr-05	Canada	Tri-City (WHL)	68-15-60-75
21	Gabe Perreault	RW	5-11/165	7-May-05	USA	USN U18 (USDP)	62-53-79-132
22	Otto Stenberg	C	5-11/180	29-May-05	Sweden	Frolunda (Swe J20)	29-11-15-26
23	Tom Willander	D	6-1/180	9-Feb-05	Sweden	Rogle (Swe J20)	39-4-21-25
24	Calum Ritchie	C	6-2/185	21-Jan-05	Canada	Oshawa (OHL)	59-24-35-59
25	Andrew Cristall	LW	5-9/165	4-Feb-05	Canada	Kelowna (WHL)	54-39-56-95
26	Gavin Brindley	C	5-8/165	5-Oct-04	USA	Michigan (B1G)	41-12-26-38
27	Bradly Nadeau	LW	5-10/165	5-May-05	Canada	Penticton (BCHL)	54-45-68-113
28	Anton Wahlberg	C	6-3/195	4-Jul-05	Sweden	Malmo (Swe J20)	32-14-13-27
29	Riley Heidt	C	5-10/180	25-Mar-05	Canada	Prince George (WHL)	68-25-72-97
30	Brayden Yager	C	5-11/165	3-Jan-05	Canada	Moose Jaw (WHL)	67-28-50-78
31	David Edstrom	C	6-3/185	18-Feb-05	Sweden	Frolunda (Swe J20)	28-15-13-28
32	Nick Lardis	LW	5-10/165	8-Jul-05	Canada	Pbo-Ham (OHL)	69-37-28-65

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by AV's Coin

[Nucker 67]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Re Nashville:  

 

I wonder who that might be in this Draft.

 

After the Canucks add this prospect to the big team, they go on a run, and this prospect plays like Point, Marchand and Gallagher all in one. 

 

The Canucks win the Cup, and it's so inspirational they make a movie.

 

Starring:  

 

 to play the role of:

 

 

 I'm bored

[Pure961089]

22 hours ago, smithers joe said:

i'ld prefer it being garland and myers, even if it's after his bonus is paid. that would be a good start.

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Edited May 31, 2023 by Pure961089

[Pure961089]

This is the way I think the draft will unfold.  After Smith/Michkov is up in the air. Every teams rankings are different.  But here's the way I see the draft going.

 

1. BEDARD

2. FANTILLI

3. CARLSON

4. SMITH

5. MITCHKOV

6. LEONARD

7. DVORSKY

8. REINBACHER

9. BENSON

10. WOOD

11. BARLOW

12. MOORE

13. ASP

14. SALE

15. YAGER

16. SIMASHEV

17. DANIELSON

18. HONZEK

19. PERREAULT 

20.HEIDT

21. MUSTY

22. CRISTALL

23. STENBERG

 

Now if Barlow, Moore or ASP are taken in the top 10 that would make things very interesting for the Canucks.  I like Cristall but there's too much work he has to do to make the NHL.  You need more than talent.  

[Pure961089]

22 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Assuming Michkov and Wood are gone - I would be good with Benson in a Canucks uni. Elite skill and smarts. Seems like the kind of kid you pull for, and he gives his all. Lots of exciting goals.

 

Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Boeser (maybe Brock has a bounce back year)

Benson - Miller - Mikheyev

Hoglander - ? - Podkolzin

 

trade Garland and Beauvillier

 

 

Sasson will be given every opportunity to nab that 3rd C.  His work in the NCAA was pretty solid. He's got good size and he's very hard nosed and gritty.  It's his to lose

[Gawdzukes]

48 minutes ago, spook007 said:

I'm over the Virtanen disappointment.

I know your concerns, but I refuse to let one young stress me out over the future...

 

The more I read about Barlow, the more excited I get... He is exactly the sort of player that can be inserted into the line up in the next year or two, if money is our concern. And by god we need, what he potentially can bring to the team. Ultra competitive, and plus sound defence on top of being a goal scorer + he has play making ability.

I see a Toffoli and Pearson love child... and this we could use. 

 

He is not as much of a boom/bust as some of the others available, but he will have a sound floor level, and where we are atm, we need to hit on out first round drafts to give some support to the established players in the team.

 

I agree, he will fit in well anywhere in the top 3 lines and by all records be a sound goal scoring winger with a proper noise for defence as well...

 

Tbh I struggle to find a favourite prospect... Love the idea of Wood, whom I think is more of a boom and bust, same with Benson. Leonard and Dvorsky are going to be good players but are likely gone, and so will Reinbacker be... 

 

Whom to take, whom to take... so many good options... wouldn't like to be making the pick, as if they screw this up, they won't hear the end of it for years. They want to compete now, thus I think they are more likely to pick player they expect to be joining the team in a year or two....

 

Cheers Spook. I agree with a lot of this. I also struggle to find my favorite and it changes as I learn more about each. This level of scrutiny is intense lol . I'm not worried about Virtanen in that sense either but more so Barlow's stats where he's scored more goals than assists ... granted that was a tonne of goals. I think about how Virtanen got them and he was more off the rush just out tooling weaker opposition. Barlow is also strong and tough but seems to set up more in the ozone and can score from anywhere. He seems far more cerebral. I kind of wonder how is at the playmaking side and can he play a quick two way game. I've read sports that his transition through the neutral zone is strong, as is his skating. Since the turn of the century, his 46 goals are the eighth most by a 17-year-old in the OHL. That seems good. My biggest concern is his goals come down in the NHL as do his assists and you're looking at a 20/20 player, which is nothing to sneeze at but possibly third line.

 

If we are hoping to get talent in sooner than later this guy is both close and very talented. Add to that he's a tough bugger and it's kind of salivating. As I type this though I have to think that Wood is a similar player with a higher ceiling offensively, but Benson may have a higher ceiling yet. I would be ecstatic if we got Leonard or Reinbacher. Regardless of our needs I think we should take the best prospect with the highest ceiling. I know it seems like we need it sooner than later but I think we will find we can use that player whether it's two years or three and the better player could make all the difference in the long run.

[Gawdzukes]

54 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Re Nashville:  

 

Cristall

Wood

Yager

Pelikka-Sandin

Gulyayev

Moore

[steviewonder20]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Yzerman has messed up badly. He's missed on all his picks. Then he trades his best D man ( who is only 25) for a pick that ends up 17th. He gets fired soon. 

This will age as well as you guaranteeing that Horvat won’t get traded.

[Gawdzukes]

21 minutes ago, steviewonder20 said:

This will age as well as you guaranteeing that Horvat won’t get traded.

Don't forget we're also getting 105 points this year 

[spook007]

22 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Cheers Spook. I agree with a lot of this. I also struggle to find my favorite and it changes as I learn more about each. This level of scrutiny is intense lol . I'm not worried about Virtanen in that sense either but more so Barlow's stats where he's scored more goals than assists ... granted that was a tonne of goals. I think about how Virtanen got them and he was more off the rush just out tooling weaker opposition. Barlow is also strong and tough but seems to set up more in the ozone and can score from anywhere. He seems far more cerebral. I kind of wonder how is at the playmaking side and can he play a quick two way game. I've read sports that his transition through the neutral zone is strong, as is his skating. Since the turn of the century, his 46 goals are the eighth most by a 17-year-old in the OHL. That seems good. My biggest concern is his goals come down in the NHL as do his assists and you're looking at a 20/20 player, which is nothing to sneeze at but possibly third line.

 

If we are hoping to get talent in sooner than later this guy is both close and very talented. Add to that he's a tough bugger and it's kind of salivating. As I type this though I have to think that Wood is a similar player with a higher ceiling offensively, but Benson may have a higher ceiling yet. I would be ecstatic if we got Leonard or Reinbacher. Regardless of our needs I think we should take the best prospect with the highest ceiling. I know it seems like we need it sooner than later but I think we will find we can use that player whether it's two years or three and the better player could make all the difference in the long run.

Good call amigo. 
I feel everytime, I read about a player, he becomes my new favorite. 
Started with Dvosky followed by Reinbacker. Then it was Leonard, then it was Wood, followed by Benson... I think these players will be gone by 11 so that leaves us ASP, More, Barlow, Sale or Danielson unless we go deeper like Honzek or Willander /Simashev....

I think that if any of the first 5 mentioned added to the top 5 is available at the 11th they will be picked. 
The only one I'm not sure they'll pick is Wood if they stay with speed, or if they go safe pick. 
 

One thing I'm sure off is, its going to be hard to screw this pick up, and we should get an impact player regardless of whom we draft. Either a top 6 forward or a top 4 dman. 
 

Bring it on as the waiting is killing me. 

[Pure961089]

On 5/30/2023 at 10:50 AM, Alflives said:

11 looks like a very good spot for us to either select a great prospect or trade back a bit and collect more picks. 

That's a decision made on the floor at the time.  If the player they have on their list is a 5 OA and he's still up when we pick I don't thi k were trading down.  Sure if all the players on our top tier list are taken then why not trade down.  But as long as a star falling to us remains a possibility we have to hold on it. 

[spook007]

1 hour ago, Pure961089 said:

This is the way I think the draft will unfold.  After Smith/Michkov is up in the air. Every teams rankings are different.  But here's the way I see the draft going.

 

1. BEDARD

2. FANTILLI

3. CARLSON

4. SMITH

5. MITCHKOV

6. LEONARD

7. DVORSKY

8. REINBACHER

9. BENSON

10. WOOD

11. BARLOW

12. MOORE

13. ASP

14. SALE

15. YAGER

16. SIMASHEV

17. DANIELSON

18. HONZEK

19. PERREAULT 

20.HEIDT

21. MUSTY

22. CRISTALL

23. STENBERG

 

Now if Barlow, Moore or ASP are taken in the top 10 that would make things very interesting for the Canucks.  I like Cristall but there's too much work he has to do to make the NHL.  You need more than talent.  

If any one those 3 are taken, we take the one that falls out from your top 10. 
 

I've got the exact same top 10 ( not necessarily in that order, but the same 10 names). And yes after that, who knows. ASP, Moore and Danielson could be taken anywhere, just like Sale and Barlow. 
nice list. 

[HKSR]

2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Assuming Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, Smith, Dvorsky, and Leonard are gone.

 

My Top 5 

 

1. Reinbacher

2. Moore

3. Wood

4. Danielson

5. Sandin Pellikka 

When you break it down like that, you realize quickly that the Canucks are gonna get a really good prospect from this draft.  Exciting time!

[granpappy]

41 minutes ago, HKSR said:

When you break it down like that, you realize quickly that the Canucks are gonna get a really good prospect from this draft.  Exciting time!

or chicago

[granpappy]

42 minutes ago, HKSR said:

When you break it down like that, you realize quickly that the Canucks are gonna get a really good prospect from this draft.  Exciting time!

i do agree, even we move to 19, we still get a good player or two ... there are so many, i keep wavering back and forth myself. really like benson these days and yager and still hoping we could get hold of strabyk

[Pure961089]

22 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:

Seems almost fated if you ask me. Washington probably takes Michkov, and if Philly is still trying to build a "John Torterella team" that would mean Barlow or Leonard for them, so Reinbacher should be there. I said in my mock draft a couple years ago that I was convinced Lucas Raymond was a stud and Hakan Andersson would see that, so Detroit would pick him at 4. This year I'm saying Sandin-Pellikka is not all that, and I think Hakan Andersson will see that and they go Reinbacher at 9.

 

1. Chicago - Connor Bedard - Obviously

2. Anaheim - Adam Fantilli - Bruce Franklin has a long history drafting out of USHL and NTDP. Will Smith could make sense here, but Fantilli seems consensus BPA.

3. Columbus - Leo Carlsson - If there is one GM who does not have a rich and storied history drafting NTDP, it is Kekkalainen. Michkov is a strong possibility here, but Carlsson seems the most logical choice.

4. San Jose - Dalibor Dvorsky - Mike Grier is a rookie GM, but head scouting director Chris Morehouse has some history to go off. Morehouse was Kekalainen's head scout when they picked Tarasov, Marchenko, Chinakhov so Michkov could be possible here too, but given the difficulties Grier has already had signing Chmelevski, I'm betting he steers clear of the Russian here. Not much history for Morehouse out of the NTDP either.

5. Montreal - Will Smith

6. Arizona - Nate Danielson - Tampa picked out of CHL with almost every single first round pick of Plandowski's tenure there. I was thinking Barlow initially, but Danielson seems like the guy here.

7. Philadelphia - Ryan Leonard - Brent Flahr played a role in building the heavy Minnesota Wild we see today. He also has a long and successful history with the NTDP.

8. Washington - Matvei Michkov

9. Detroit - David Reinbacher

10. St Louis - Matthew Wood - Head scout Tony Feltrin is a Vancouver Island native, so I'd be surprised if Wood falls any further than this.

11. Vancouver - Samuel Honzek - Todd Harvey is the head scout, but when the GM has a background in amateur scouting, they'll tend to have a major say in early draft picks. Allvin never had a lot of early picks in Pittsburgh, and didn't have great success with the picks he had. Europeans via the CHL seems to be his specialty.

 

The jury is still out on Harvey, I like his DPetey pick, and I think his fingerprints are all over big centers (Kunz and Gardner) that put up a ton of points in junior but might not have the hockey sense to make it in the NCAA.  Hopefully our scouting staff doesn't reach and takes the best player available. It's not all about height and weight, Just remember Quinn Hughes humiliates Brian Burke every game he shines in.  

[J.I.A.H.N]

6 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:

This is my issue with ASP, I don't think he'll have the chops to be a defensive defenseman on the level of a McDonagh. He's more of an offensive and puck-moving defenseman, but I also don't see him as close to one of these elite offensive defenseman like a Makar, Hughes or Fox. I see him as more a 40-50 point type of guy who's solid in his own zone.. I'll say again, would be a pretty disappointing pick at 11 overall given the quality of forwards expected to be available at the pick.

I am a little confused by your position on ASP ( Not to say we should draft him) But I would say a 40 to 50 point defenseman, who is solid  in his own end, is an above average defenseman.  I would go further and say that is a #2/3 Dman. I totally agree there might me better choices, but all those choices in and around #11, are not Bedard, or Michkov, and are not thought to be elite. I would go as far as to say that after 7 or 8, there are no elite players, but only good above average players in the next 5 or 6.

 

I am just not sure, your words and expectations are fair, in regards to those player comparisons in and around #11

 

More a observation on the realities of how hard it is to find  a 40 - 50 point RHD man who is solid in his own end.

[J.I.A.H.N]

Draft Pro has the first 11 looking like this...........

 

1. Bedard

2. Fantelli

3. Michkov

4. Carlsson

5. Smith

6. Benson

7. Leonard

8. Barlow

9. Moore

10. ASP

11. Dvorsky

 

16. Reinbacher

 

Just another opinion..........

 

 

Edited June 1, 2023 by J.I.A.H.N