stawns Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, rychicken said: they have to make 3 or 4 moves to get into a position to make the moves/signings necessary - that's a lot of correct decisions to make, I think people need to be prepared for at least one of them not to pan out.... of course, I doubt anyone thinks it'd be flawless. That's a good point though, the intital moves is to bring in some players, but also to give them the cap flexibility to get creative after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, stawns said: of course, I doubt anyone thinks it'd be flawless. That's a good point though, the intital moves is to bring in some players, but also to give them the cap flexibility to get creative after that. The only way I see this plan working is if we further mortgage the future along with sending some dead cap over You need 3 bonafied current NHL top 4 men. That means we need to move out OEL Myers and and acquire another top 4 to add 3 defensemen. How do you upgrade on OEL and Myers without retaining cap, adding sweeteners and then getting rid of contracts like Poolman, Boeser, etc which also needs cap retention at this point? Also what rebuilding team has blue chip d men available currently? The good teams obviously wouldn't be trading their top D mean. And why wouldn't contenders be buying also? So then are we a team that should be buying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: The only way I see this plan working is if we further mortgage the future along with sending some dead cap over You need 3 bonafied current NHL top 4 men. That means we need to move out OEL Myers and and acquire another top 4 to add 3 defensemen. How do you upgrade on OEL and Myers without retaining cap, adding sweeteners and then getting rid of contracts like Poolman, Boeser, etc which also needs cap retention at this point? Also what rebuilding team has blue chip d men available currently? The good teams obviously wouldn't be trading their top D mean. And why wouldn't contenders be buying also? So then are we a team that should be buying? Basically we need to slowly turn our roster over targetting RD, Centers, and picks. At some point management needs to bite the bullet and make a big splash and target a RD of substance whether it's an established good young player or a gamble on a prospect. Doing nothing and bringing 6/7 depth guys isn't the answer. Start with one and go from there. As @stawns said cap flexibility is key. That's one of our biggest problems in the last couple years. We don't have the ability to jump on opportunities when they arise because we're always against the cap. We need some breathing room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 The nucks have to make 3 or 4 moves before they can make moves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 12 hours ago, R3aL said: Since he’s come back into the lineup he’s been noticeably bad. losing battles and out of position in mostly sheltered matchups. and we have two guys who have been in the organization for long enough who have both shown better than him this year so far and in my opinion deserve the nod ahead of him. I agree. I thought Rathbone played far better than I thought he would and Burroughs 100% deserves to be playing. Best d we have. Stillman bring zero to the table. Rubbish trade. Waste of a spot. I can't believe I'm saying this but Dermott will be a big upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: The only way I see this plan working is if we further mortgage the future along with sending some dead cap over You need 3 bonafied current NHL top 4 men. That means we need to move out OEL Myers and and acquire another top 4 to add 3 defensemen. How do you upgrade on OEL and Myers without retaining cap, adding sweeteners and then getting rid of contracts like Poolman, Boeser, etc which also needs cap retention at this point? Also what rebuilding team has blue chip d men available currently? The good teams obviously wouldn't be trading their top D mean. And why wouldn't contenders be buying also? So then are we a team that should be buying? Myers, possibly, but OEL likely isn't going anywhere and I'm good with that, he's a solid dman. The reality is this management team has missed the boat on getting the kind of return we'd hoped to get for the pieces that need to go.......we just have to accept that. However, they will sttill get some good pieces back through hockey trades, but what they really need is cap flexibility to make some creative deals after that and to sign players. This year is very likely a write off at this point, no matter what course they take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: I agree. I thought Rathbone played far better than I thought he would and Burroughs 100% deserves to be playing. Best d we have. Stillman bring zero to the table. Rubbish trade. Waste of a spot. I can't believe I'm saying this but Dermott will be a big upgrade. I know I'm probably the only one who advocates for a Hughes trade, but Rathbone can do a lot of what Highes can do, even if it's not at the level that Hughes does it. So depending on what a Hughes deal would bring back, Rathbone does make him somewhat expendable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: I know I'm probably the only one who advocates for a Hughes trade, but Rathbone can do a lot of what Highes can do, even if it's not at the level that Hughes does it. So depending on what a Hughes deal would bring back, Rathbone does make him somewhat expendable. You have great takes stawns. Very knowledgeable but this one is out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, stawns said: I know I'm probably the only one who advocates for a Hughes trade, but Rathbone can do a lot of what Highes can do, even if it's not at the level that Hughes does it. So depending on what a Hughes deal would bring back, Rathbone does make him somewhat expendable. No he can’t lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Devron said: You have great takes stawns. Very knowledgeable but this one is out there well, desperate times call for desperate measures. It's a very unique situation with NJ having two of the three brothers, all of whom appear to elite players, and seem on the cusp of being in win now mode, who also has a real pool of good young players to make a deal with. Maybe they offer a package around Kevin Bahl, Holtz/Mercer and a pick for Hughes........that goes a long way in a re-tool. Perhaps they take Tatar back for salary, who is a UFA in the off season. I love Hughes, but Rathbone has a lot of the same skill set Edited November 7, 2022 by stawns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, stawns said: I know I'm probably the only one who advocates for a Hughes trade, but Rathbone can do a lot of what Highes can do, even if it's not at the level that Hughes does it. So depending on what a Hughes deal would bring back, Rathbone does make him somewhat expendable. Yeah that's a novel idea. I'm warming up to it. He would likely bring a massive return and he's not vital to the team structure. It would leave us Petey and probably set us up real nice moving forward. Promotes OEL at the same time if he can get out of his funk. Hughes for Nemec would be interesting but I know you're big into getting play now pieces back. Also if I was NJ I wouldn't be messing with that team ... they're on fire right now. It would probably be a pretty astute move. Shocking as heck for the fanbase. I thought that's what management said a year ago. I was pumped then lol ... now not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, stawns said: I know I'm probably the only one who advocates for a Hughes trade, but Rathbone can do a lot of what Highes can do, even if it's not at the level that Hughes does it. So depending on what a Hughes deal would bring back, Rathbone does make him somewhat expendable. I guess it would depend on what they get back in the return, and it would be a lot. They could really rob NJ, who would want the three bros together. Maybe if a couple of their D + come back in the return. How bad does NJ want Quinn? Severson Bahl Holtz 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 We are playing the kids. We ice one of the youngest lineups in the NHL even though many like to pretend that isn't the case. Only one missing is Rathbone. I'd give extended time to a bear-bones pairing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, NUCKER67 said: I guess it would depend on what they get back in the return, and it would be a lot. They could really rob NJ, who would want the three bros together. Maybe if a couple of their D + come back in the return. How bad does NJ want Quinn? Severson Bahl Holtz 1st Stay away from severson. He's getting benched because he's the only one botching plays on NJ while they are looking godly early. Literally Myers 2.0 Should be a requirement for all fans to watch a minimum of 3 games of him playing before suggesting this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: well, desperate times call for desperate measures. It's a very unique situation with NJ having two of the three brothers, all of whom appear to elite players, and seem on the cusp of being in win now mode, who also has a real pool of good young players to make a deal with. Maybe they offer a package around Kevin Bahl, Holtz/Mercer and a pick for Hughes........that goes a long way in a re-tool. Perhaps they take Tatar back for salary, who is a UFA in the off season. I love Hughes, but Rathbone has a lot of the same skill set That’s fine if we can get a massive haul. Tough to replace Hughes though. Probably can’t regardless of the return. Rathbone looking more and more like he’ll have a Brad Hunt type career. That’s my guess anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 If you think Rathbone can do what Hughes can do or replace Hughes, you should probably watch the games every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah that's a novel idea. I'm warming up to it. He would likely bring a massive return and he's not vital to the team structure. It would leave us Petey and probably set us up real nice moving forward. Promotes OEL at the same time if he can get out of his funk. Hughes for Nemec would be interesting but I know you're big into getting play now pieces back. Also if I was NJ I wouldn't be messing with that team ... they're on fire right now. It would probably be a pretty astute move. Shocking as heck for the fanbase. I thought that's what management said a year ago. I was pumped then lol ... now not so much. again, I love Hughes, but that's such a unique situation that they could really capitallize on it. And as much as I like Hughes, his intensity isn't exactly where I'd likeit to be and I'd like this org to rid themselves of guys who play a more passive style or who only turn it on when they want to..........they need tenacious players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Devron said: That’s fine if we can get a massive haul. Tough to replace Hughes though. Probably can’t regardless of the return. Rathbone looking more and more like he’ll have a Brad Hunt type career. That’s my guess anyway Hughes is, more or less, a powerplay specialist and rathbone can certainly cover that aspect of Hughes game. The rest of Hughes impact can be replaced by other players. Of course it would depend on the return........you don't move him without a very significant return 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I guess it would depend on what they get back in the return, and it would be a lot. They could really rob NJ, who would want the three bros together. Maybe if a couple of their D + come back in the return. How bad does NJ want Quinn? Severson Bahl Holtz 1st NJ is not doing that. They are looking good, makes no sense to move out assets for Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, stawns said: Hughes is, more or less, a powerplay specialist and rathbone can certainly cover that aspect of Hughes game. The rest of Hughes impact can be replaced by other players. Of course it would depend on the return........you don't move him without a very significant return No he’s not. He plays 26 minutes a game. He moves the puck up the ice. Not many defencemen in the league can do what he can do. Rathbone has been atrocious in all aspects. What am I missing here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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