justathought Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Trades for picks will require salary retention. That's the way I see it. Every teams jammed up, they want to trade but cant afford to. Sooooo let's get some big ol' trades going with up to 1 year salary retention. That will allow teams to trade 1st round picks to us++, and allow multiple teams to take on some of the bigger contracts. You know they'll do it under the, "we'll worry about balancing the books year after next" file. If we can swing some good 1st &2nds for next year while clearing cap by dangling a carrot, let it be done...ain't my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) The only time salary retention is acceptable is for expiring contracts. Any kind of long-term dead cap necessitates the immediate firing of the entire management group, with the exception of anyone who stepped up and explained that no GM with a functioning brain would handicap the franchise like this. Edited December 16, 2022 by King Heffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 We won't be doing significant trades for picks IMO. We don't need a rebuild, we need a redistribution of our overall talent pool on the ice, but balance the team. We are overall, solid in net, we have no problem creating offense when we are out of our own zone. Our problems as a team are completely around our defensive structure, blueline out. We need 1 or 2 solid trades that address our weaknesses from our strengths and we are a solid 3 zone team. Everyone who thinks that Pettersson, Hughes, Kuzmenko etc, are going to sit patiently around while we do a full tear down, is nuts! This management team decided that we only need adjustments when they signed Mikheyev and Kuzmenko in the summer. Kuz is going to be 27 next season, he's in his prime, he wants to win now, as do the rest of our younger players. It's only a matter of time until the right trade opportunity surfaces that allows us to move someone upfront (Boeser, Garland or Horvat), which addresses the other team issues and balances cap numbers for both teams. This is the trade we are waiting for, not a wholesale sell off so we can accumulate a whole bunch of picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 Not a long term retention, one year retention to let new team work out their future cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: We won't be doing significant trades for picks IMO. We don't need a rebuild, we need a redistribution of our overall talent pool on the ice, but balance the team. We are overall, solid in net, we have no problem creating offense when we are out of our own zone. Our problems as a team are completely around our defensive structure, blueline out. We need 1 or 2 solid trades that address our weaknesses from our strengths and we are a solid 3 zone team. Everyone who thinks that Pettersson, Hughes, Kuzmenko etc, are going to sit patiently around while we do a full tear down, is nuts! This management team decided that we only need adjustments when they signed Mikheyev and Kuzmenko in the summer. Kuz is going to be 27 next season, he's in his prime, he wants to win now, as do the rest of our younger players. It's only a matter of time until the right trade opportunity surfaces that allows us to move someone upfront (Boeser, Garland or Horvat), which addresses the other team issues and balances cap numbers for both teams. This is the trade we are waiting for, not a wholesale sell off so we can accumulate a whole bunch of picks. Even so, nobody can trade with us because they're hamstrung. If we take up to a 1 year 100% retention that changes. It would give the acquiring team time to re-align their cap the following year. This would allow us to accept 1st round picks, and them to take top tier players. Our new pick would be a cheap asset next year, so the cap isn't going to be an issue with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 Teams want to trade, they just don't know how to work it. So come up with a way to help facilitate the trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, justathought said: Teams want to trade, they just don't know how to work it. So come up with a way to help facilitate the trades. You don't think professional NHL GMs know how to trade? They aren't all unqualified idiots like Dubas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: You don't think professional NHL GMs know how to trade? They aren't all unqualified idiots like Dubas. Just wanting to see some movement. Like the two buzzards sitting on a branch... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 55 minutes ago, justathought said: Even so, nobody can trade with us because they're hamstrung. If we take up to a 1 year 100% retention that changes. It would give the acquiring team time to re-align their cap the following year. This would allow us to accept 1st round picks, and them to take top tier players. Our new pick would be a cheap asset next year, so the cap isn't going to be an issue with us. Yup, that's been my point across multiple posts. Everyone thinks we can't make a move because no one wants our players. All you have to do is look at Capfriendly and realize that there are 4 teams out of 32, who could take Boeser at ANY price right now, without either moving significant salary back to us or to another team first. That takes time to engineer. If we went to Tampa right now (or pretty much any of about 28 teams) and said, here, you can have Boeser for Future Consideration as long as you aren't sending salary back, they COULDN'T DO IT! Not without arranging a trade with another of the 4 other teams to take someone they probably don't want to just give away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) To the OP: it will depend on Allvins' intentions and the demand. Will it be a shortsighted move or a long termed type move ? Edited December 17, 2022 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCan2023 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Yup, that's been my point across multiple posts. Everyone thinks we can't make a move because no one wants our players. All you have to do is look at Capfriendly and realize that there are 4 teams out of 32, who could take Boeser at ANY price right now, without either moving significant salary back to us or to another team first. That takes time to engineer. If we went to Tampa right now (or pretty much any of about 28 teams) and said, here, you can have Boeser for Future Consideration as long as you aren't sending salary back, they COULDN'T DO IT! Not without arranging a trade with another of the 4 other teams to take someone they probably don't want to just give away. Pierre McGuire who has more NHL connections then the entire CBC panel combined, has just reported that the Canucks are not looking for picks or futures with any of the trade bait we have. NHL ready players who fit the mid 20's range +- a year or so. If its not a right handed centre and or R defence, there not listing. Things will be happening after xmas I am thinking. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, justathought said: Not a long term retention, one year retention to let new team work out their future cap. i don't believe that is within the rules its all or nothing as I understand it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: To the OP: it will depend on Allvins' intentions and the demand. Will it be a shortsighted move or long termed type move ? The direction is our owner’s. And we know what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, VanCan2023 said: Pierre McGuire who has more NHL connections then the entire CBC panel combined, has just reported that the Canucks are not looking for picks or futures with any of the trade bait we have. NHL ready players who fit the mid 20's range +- a year or so. If its not a right handed centre and or R defence, there not listing. Things will be happening after xmas I am thinking. Bo + Myers for Pulock + Pageau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCan2023 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Bo + Myers for Pulock + Pageau. Palmieri, Brock Nelson, Clzkas, Barzal, plus Horvat is scary centre depth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 hour ago, VanCan2023 said: Pierre McGuire who has more NHL connections then the entire CBC panel combined, has just reported that the Canucks are not looking for picks or futures with any of the trade bait we have. NHL ready players who fit the mid 20's range +- a year or so. If its not a right handed centre and or R defence, there not listing. Things will be happening after xmas I am thinking. Yup, exactly what I've been saying as well through many posts. Canucks management think that we need redistribution of assets and balance the team, not rip it completely apart. We have good talent here, but not necessarily the "Right" talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Alflives said: The direction is our owner’s. And we know what he wants. We are on the same page, when it comes to this mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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