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At this stage though, poolparty is not a top 6 forward, nor is he a bottom 6 for that matter. He has a higher ceiling than Virtanen, sure, but he is not even an NHL player at this point, and Jake is. I would consider that trade if we were still rebuilding, but we're not. The contention window is opening and it's time to shift gears. Any move that does not make us better next year is probably not a move we should make imo.

poolparty doesnt make sense for us either though. With boes and tofu on the team, pooly's our 3rd line winger. The team is worse with him on our 3rd line over Jake as it stands today. The hope would be that he turns into a top 6, maybe a 1st line RW... which we dont need

People are just forgetting how good Leivo was for us as a top 9 player. Plays the kind of game Green in looking for. Great along the boards and has a scoring touch. He can be a 3rd line guy who plays defense and pots 15-20 goals for you. Definitely the kind of player you have on a contending team. I disagree with @#Canucks Benning knows this. He'll be back.

Patrick kane isn't even the best player on his own team and that's just my 20 cents.

tbh if you said "crosby ovi thornton" or "crosby ovi stamkos" then I probably wouldn't have said anything but patrick kane is especially overrated imo.

He's an offense-only winger who has cracked 80 points just 5 times and 30 goals just 4 times over 13 years.

Patrick Kane is not generational

PSA: Come to terms with the fact that we are going to be getting rid of Virtanen this season and he will go on to have a 30 goal season. Be at peace with the fact that he didn't have the mental maturity to accomplish this in his hometown.

I distinctly remember it this way too. Hodgson trade was a turning point. I remember thinking when the trade happened that it was a mistake because what we had going for us was 3 lines that could score, and sure enough our scoring fell off right after that trade. We tried to replace him with a defensive centreman at the deadline in Sami Pahlsson but he turned out to be a dud. It really was the trade that took that "special" element away from our team. Suddenly our team looked more typical. Less unstoppable. The Malholtra injury was a factor, but that happened in the regular season before our cup run. We still found success without him And like you said, Hamhuis played well after as well. And what you said about him being top 6 checks out too. He was playing on the 3rd line but was on pace for 20 goals and 40+ points over 82 games. Those are top 6 numbers.

i disagree. He has 2 seasons left on his contract at this point, and a total of just $5M left to be paid in real dollars. If I'm a rebuilding team looking to stockpile assets and JB comes to me with a young, fast, big, middle six winger, a 2nd round pick, and a veteran winger who can shut down opposing lines and be a good example to the kids in exchange for a 7th and paying Loui about $4M more than he's worth for 2 years (when i probably dont care about cap anyway, cuz im rebuilding) then I take that deal and run. You're getting far more than you're giving up. It gets even more interesting when you consider he's a $6M/year cap hit but only a $2.5M/year salary expense until his contract runs out, and there's an increased chance a cap floor team needs some help reaching the cap floor due to the effects of covid.

Pearson = Higgins

Woops you're right. I was looking at the 2005 numbers haha I would not take the 4 first rounders. It essentially means we restart the rebuild.

If a team offers anything more than $5m on an offer sheet then they also have to pay 4 first round draft picks, so it's unlikely we have anything to worry about when it comes to someone like Hughes. Rarely does it make sense for a team to offer sheet an RFA because they also have to send draft picks,even for cheaper players. It's usually more draft picks than you would likely want to trade that player for. Edit: I'M INCORRECT. I was looking at the 2005 numbers. 4 first rounders is $10.something million and above... still usually not worth it.

Some of his grades didn't make sense to me either. Juolevi rated more physical than woo is laughable.

You cant look at it in these black and white terms. The point of this thread is the team environment and culture benning has developed, and make no mistake that he's done so intentionally. It's been his reasoning for making those moves all along. The Canucks don't go as far as they did this year without Benning bringing in the sutters/beagles... Hell, even the Ryan Miller move kept us from being completely disrespected during those lean years, and I agree with the OP, that moves like that kept the vets from getting jaded and helped the kids grow in a much more positive environment. Your comment basically ignored the entire point of this thread. Lol.

Based on what logic

The cap situation still isn't nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. We have the assets to afford to ship out Eriksson or some other dead money. I also don't think it will take as much as people think to move Eriksson or other dead money. We might lose a prospect doing it, but as long as their name isn't Podkolzin, Juolevi, Woo or Hoglander, I think the price is worth paying (Juolevi and woo mostly because were thin on d prospects, not necessarily because elite) I've proposed before Eriksson + Virtanen and a 2nd probably gets it done if you deal em to a rebuilding squad. That's actually a really nice package for a rebuilding team that isn't concerned about cap for the next couple years. And we save $8m right there.

Odd man out is Benn. I think a team out there might bite on him as their 7th dman. Hell, do a trade of Benn + 7th round pick for a 7th round pick just to clear his $2M. Then you bring in Juolevi as your new ELC. stecher + juolevi could be a very very good bottom pairing imo. couple options from there if you really wanna improve to dcorps... could package virtanen + a 1st or 2nd for an upgrade over tanev... maybe you could even package virtanen + 1st/2nd + myers for an upgrade over myers and just resign tanev. benning's gonna have some decisions to make either way. I'm expecting a big splash this offseason. the time to go for it is now.

Wait you guys haven't realized yet that the Marky injury wasn't just a troll job by a non-insider? Edit- nvm I see murphs tweet

People who still complain about bad contracts in the bottom 6 make laugh a big big laugh Tell me again about how we'd be in the second round without Beagle, Sutter and Roussel Or maybe he knew more about building a hockey team than you did all along

1) Eriksson - I dont think it's going to take as much as people think to move him. If we trade him after his signing bonus is paid (it might have already been) for 20/21, he's only owed $5M in actual money for 2 years of service. I genuinely think you could trade him to Ottawa/ NJ / Cap floor team with a 2nd or even a 3rd round pick and maybe retain $1M or $2M. He's proving to be a valuable defensive piece still with good veteran character. I think a young team sees value in that trade. 2) Baertschi - buy out candidate or mutual termination so he can go to europe. more likely buy out though. 3) Sutter - keep him, he's valuable. Who else are you gonna put as the faceoff man for PK2? 4) Ferland - his career is likely done. 5) Beagle - proving his value. you dont need to get rid of him. 6) Roussel - see Beagle 7) Myers - Maybe his contract is worse down the line but we dont need to clear it out to pay the kids, so see Roussel I think Jake Virtanen is gone. likely by offer sheet. So if we can get rid of $6M from Loui (or $4-5M if we retain cap), ~$2M in savings for buying out Baertschi, $3.5M is LTIR relief for Ferland, and ~$1M from Jake... we save $10-12.5M.

st louis broadcast just said jt miller is not playing. are we sure about this?

Could Quinn Hughes one day be a 100 point defenseman?

He's confused because he never actually said that. It was AJ, and wildcam quoted him. Yall are going around in circles for nothing.

***TRIGGER WARNING HOMER POST*** We're fine. This team is scary deep and the rest of the league hasn't noticed yet, but they will after this series. Consider this... Brock Boeser looks rejuvenated and dare i say the best he's looked since 2018, but with ~20 more lbs than he had then and a much improved 2-way game. Brock Boeser at his best is a 35-40 goal scorer. Furthermore, Toffoli. If he can come back... oh boy. He caught fire and put up a point per game after being traded to us, but even before that, he was good for 18 G and 34 P over 58 GP for LA this season. Consider he had put up 24 goals in 68 GP up until the stoppage, it's not very much of a stretch at all to say that Toffoli is a LEGIT 30 goal scorer at his best (he's had 31 before). Boes and Toffoli considered, our forward group theoretically has 4 guys capable of 30+ goals (Boeser, Toffoli, Miller, Pettersson), and 3 MORE guys capable of 20-25 (Pearson, Horvat, Virtanen). No other team in the league has this kind of offensive depth in their forward group. Then you consider we have generational phenom Quinn Hughes on the back end, and Alex Edler, who still seems to be good for 40-45 points over 82... we can outscore a lot of our defensive worries. If Marky can continue to do his thing and our defense can bend more than they break... this team can beat anyone. Even in a 7 game series. And beyond all of that, they seem to have that x-factor... that ability to will their way to a victory when they choose to, and sometimes that can overcome a lot of defensive deficiencies too. Like the trigger warning alludes to, I'm aware there's some homerism in this post, but I also dont think it's the biggest stretch. This team is better than advertised.