goalie13 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 That's an idea certainly. Another would be to force all years to have the same salary for the duration of the contract. That way if Weber feels he's really worth $14M a season right now he takes a shorter deal with a higher yearly salary for more up front money, or a longer deal with a lower yearly salary for more job security. I could see an exception perhaps for a signing bonus only in the first year. That could then only be a small percentage of the salary, either on top of it (so total of salary and bonus couldn't exceed max salary amounts) or as a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 So, what formula does signing bonus have, as proposed by NHL? Didn't they propose it not be counted against the cap? What is preventing a team from doing a 30m signing bonus with 5 years at 2m (total 40m with cap hit 2m instead of 8m)? Is there a maximum on signing bonus? This is practically the same thing as back-diving contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 So, what formula does signing bonus have, as proposed by NHL? Didn't they propose it not be counted against the cap? What is preventing a team from doing a 30m signing bonus with 5 years at 2m (total 40m with cap hit 2m instead of 8m)? Is there a maximum on signing bonus? This is practically the same thing as back-diving contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I have pretty much hit the breaking point for my support for the NHL. As is the case with many adults, I have too many other things that are far more important for me to dedicate my time and money to (ie: finish landscaping, finish basement, etc). So there's that. Now, I absolutely understand that the lockout is strictly between the NHL and NHLPA. Employees have the absolute right to look after their best interests, as well as do their employers. However, the enterainment industry is slightly different as employees are compensated far more generously than the general public. As a season ticket holder and an employee of one of the NHLs major sponsers, I can tell you that the only people more upset than fans about the recent lockout is that of their sponsers. I already cancelled my center ice package, which I definitely won't renew. My season tickets will also follow suit should my team/NHL not have a plan in place to make it up to the fans, who are enduring a 3rd lockout in less than 20 years. What a joke the NHL has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 When Poetica publishes her lockout memoirs when it's all said and done, she should totally title it "Jockeying Towards Parity". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 This is where I keep going back to the idea of not averaging the contract to come up with the cap hit. If the cap hit was simply the amount the player is paid during that season then there would be no advantage to these long term, back diving contracts. If a team like Philly wants to make an offer with a huge up front cost they would need the huge up front cap space to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauii Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Give the NHL their 5 and 7 but performance bonuses don't count against the cap. For the owners, this can be a mild version of a no guarantee contract. You don't perform, you don't get full/maximum pay only base rate. For the players, they have the potential to make more beyond the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Nick Kypreos @RealKyper #CBA meeting over. No progress. #NHL remains firm on "take it or leave it" last offer to #NHLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Nick Kypreos @RealKyper #CBA meeting over. No progress. #NHL remains firm on "take it or leave it" last offer to #NHLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 ^^^^^ ad·a·mant /ˈæd ə mənt, -ˌmænt/ Show Spelled [ad-uh-muh nt, -mant] 1. utterly unyielding in attitude or opinion in spite of all appeals, urgings, etc. (not to be confused with the 1980s pop singer ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I have pretty much hit the breaking point for my support for the NHL. As is the case with many adults, I have too many other things that are far more important for me to dedicate my time and money to (ie: finish landscaping, finish basement, etc). So there's that. Now, I absolutely understand that the lockout is strictly between the NHL and NHLPA. Employees have the absolute right to look after their best interests, as well as do their employers. However, the enterainment industry is slightly different as employees are compensated far more generously than the general public. As a season ticket holder and an employee of one of the NHLs major sponsers, I can tell you that the only people more upset than fans about the recent lockout is that of their sponsers. I already cancelled my center ice package, which I definitely won't renew. My season tickets will also follow suit should my team/NHL not have a plan in place to make it up to the fans, who are enduring a 3rd lockout in less than 20 years. What a joke the NHL has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 League seems to be missing something here....hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Mediation and discussion today planned as a 1-day exercise. If subsequent meeting is called for tomorrow that will be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 But they compromised by bringing back the last deal they offered after they'd taken it off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanj Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 But they compromised by bringing back the last deal they offered after they'd taken it off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Gary Bettman during this afternoon's meeting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Bring the NHL's last offer to a vote, and when the response is a resounding 'No' then Bettman will be forced to negotiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 The NHL wanted the meetings today to fail in order to get rid of the mediators. They've shown that they don't want them. They're going to do things on their terms, so that means back to their hard bargaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 The NHL wanted the meetings today to fail in order to get rid of the mediators. They've shown that they don't want them. They're going to do things on their terms, so that means back to their hard bargaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Do they know they're fooling no one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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