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#271 WHL rocks

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:32 PM

There is post after post blaming Gary Bettman for a potential lockout and claiming how he's the worst person since Satin. (Was Satin a person?) any ways, Some idiotic posts even call for Bettman's death.


Revenues under Bettman went from $400 million to $3.3 billion
Number of teams went from 24 to 30

Many Canucks and Canadian fans like to blame Bettman for everything they perceive to be wrong with the NHL. Most ppl have a very short memory and they forget that just a few short years ago the CDN $ was worth close to .64 cents. Canadian teams were struggling and needed to be bailed out by American teams.

It was Bettman who helped keep afloat Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa and yes the Vancouver Canucks by introducing the Canadian Assistance Plan. It was a welfare plan for Canadian teams before this current CBA and the salary cap.

Yes the Canucks were a HAVE NOT team and depended on help from American teams to pay the bills. This was only a few years ago so there is no excuse for younger members not having this information. If you remember the last lockout you should remember the Canadian teams Assistance Plan

The player's offer expects revenues to continue to increase at almost double digits percentage. There is no reason to believe this will happen. A big reason for revenue increases is the CDN$. When the current CBA was signed the CDN$ was around .81 cents US. Now its on par with the greenback. This increase has contributed a lot to NHL revenue increases. The CDN$ will not keep going higher and higher.

Its expected the CDN $ will decrease in value over the next CBA as the American economy continues to recover. If the CDN $ goes back to .80 cents NHL revenues will take a hit. The league can not, will not and should not agree to this media savy, attention grabbing offer.

This NHLPA's offer is designed to get the public behind the players. The optics are that the players are willing to give up $400+ million. This would only happen if the revenues continue to increase close to double digits for 3 more years. This is highly unlikely to happen and the owners are not stupid to buy into this nonsense.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:22 AM

Is it really necessary to swear on your baby sister? Especially since you don't intend to keep your word.

You swore on your baby sister that you wouldn't support hockey if there is a lockout, less than an hour later you capitulated and went back on your word.

There hasn't even been a lock out yet and you already sold out your baby sister.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:31 AM

Hahaha

I don't have a sister


Good. Well not good that you don't have a sister but good that you were just joking.

For some reason your post bothered me to no end.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:41 AM

I really hope they can get something hammered out but by how little it seems they are meeting and how next to nothing actually comes from the supposed meetings I am not hopeful and unlike the other poster if there is any sort of lockout I won't support the NHL, theres jr hockey and I'd rather support that then have the fear of a lockout come about every time a new CBA comes out.

It won't mean much because everyone else will be back in droves (aside from some US markets) but I am hoping that if there is a strike that fans all over stick it to the NHL and don't continually fill the building up or even watch on TV
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:53 AM

There is post after post blaming Gary Bettman for a potential lockout and claiming how he's the worst person since Satin. (Was Satin a person?) any ways, Some idiotic posts even call for Bettman's death.


Revenues under Bettman went from $400 million to $3.3 billion
Number of teams went from 24 to 30

Many Canucks and Canadian fans like to blame Bettman for everything they perceive to be wrong with the NHL. Most ppl have a very short memory and they forget that just a few short years ago the CDN $ was worth close to .64 cents. Canadian teams were struggling and needed to be bailed out by American teams.

It was Bettman who helped keep afloat Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa and yes the Vancouver Canucks by introducing the Canadian Assistance Plan. It was a welfare plan for Canadian teams before this current CBA and the salary cap.

Yes the Canucks were a HAVE NOT team and depended on help from American teams to pay the bills. This was only a few years ago so there is no excuse for younger members not having this information. If you remember the last lockout you should remember the Canadian teams Assistance Plan

The player's offer expects revenues to continue to increase at almost double digits percentage. There is no reason to believe this will happen. A big reason for revenue increases is the CDN$. When the current CBA was signed the CDN$ was around .81 cents US. Now its on par with the greenback. This increase has contributed a lot to NHL revenue increases. The CDN$ will not keep going higher and higher.

Its expected the CDN $ will decrease in value over the next CBA as the American economy continues to recover. If the CDN $ goes back to .80 cents NHL revenues will take a hit. The league can not, will not and should not agree to this media savy, attention grabbing offer.

This NHLPA's offer is designed to get the public behind the players. The optics are that the players are willing to give up $400+ million. This would only happen if the revenues continue to increase close to double digits for 3 more years. This is highly unlikely to happen and the owners are not stupid to buy into this nonsense.

We are facing the THIRD lockout since Furher Bettman arrived, does that not say something about his lack of negotiating skills? The Canadian assistance plan was a drop in the bucket, $18 million over 4 years split 4 ways (Toronto and Montreal got nada), it was Emperor Bettman throwing a handful of pennies to the peasants to try to avoid being lynched, he knew if he touched another Canadian team (Edmonton has been in his gunsights ever since because it is the last remnants of the WHA to be purged) after fastracking the Jets and Nordiques out he would be strung up from the nearest tree, now how much has been spent on Phoenix alone? How much was slipped to Dallas, Tampa, Florida to meet payroll, how much was done for Winnipeg and Quebec? Did they get 5 years+ to find an owner? Going from 24 teams to 30 was NOT a good thing, and his reckless pursuit of the corporate dollar caused much of the trouble, it served to widen the gap between large and small markets, this lockout isn't about the players making too much as they owners would like you to think, it is because the handful of teams that are driving the majority of that revenue don't want to share it with teams in weak markets they insist on keeping in place, they want the players to pay for the debacle in Phoenix rather than allowing it to relocate to a better market or paying for it themselves.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 08:33 AM

We are facing the THIRD lockout since Furher Bettman arrived, does that not say something about his lack of negotiating skills? The Canadian assistance plan was a drop in the bucket, $18 million over 4 years split 4 ways (Toronto and Montreal got nada), it was Emperor Bettman throwing a handful of pennies to the peasants to try to avoid being lynched, he knew if he touched another Canadian team (Edmonton has been in his gunsights ever since because it is the last remnants of the WHA to be purged) after fastracking the Jets and Nordiques out he would be strung up from the nearest tree, now how much has been spent on Phoenix alone? How much was slipped to Dallas, Tampa, Florida to meet payroll, how much was done for Winnipeg and Quebec? Did they get 5 years+ to find an owner? Going from 24 teams to 30 was NOT a good thing, and his reckless pursuit of the corporate dollar caused much of the trouble, it served to widen the gap between large and small markets, this lockout isn't about the players making too much as they owners would like you to think, it is because the handful of teams that are driving the majority of that revenue don't want to share it with teams in weak markets they insist on keeping in place, they want the players to pay for the debacle in Phoenix rather than allowing it to relocate to a better market or paying for it themselves.

Number 1, it takes two to cause a conflict and the NHLPA has proved absolutely inept at negotiating. And number 2, the negotiating skills are assessed on the basis of the results achieved; in the last negotiations the players said no cap, no way, never never. Who won that negotiation? Bettman is a master negotiator and that is in part because the lock out is a tool that he is not afraid of using
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:06 AM

A report is saying that Henrik and Daniel Sedin will remain Vancouver if there is a lockout and not play for Modo.

http://www.sportsnet..._sedin_lockout/
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:43 AM


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:00 PM

A report is saying that Henrik and Daniel Sedin will remain Vancouver if there is a lockout and not play for Modo.

http://www.sportsnet..._sedin_lockout/

it makes sense, as their eldest children are entering grade 1, and the lockout could end at any time during the season and they don't want to have to move in the middle of the school year (or be so far away from their families)

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:06 PM

also, looks like Kes took part in the negotiations today

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Great time at the NHLPA meeting in Chicago and very informative.#theplayers


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:36 PM

Donald Fehr On A Lockout:

Chris Botta tweets Fehr as saying “Fehr: The players will not be happy, but they are not feeling pressure and are not worried about missing games if locked out.”


Andy Strickland adds “How revenues get distributed is the only obstacle that would realistically prevent the season from starting on time #NHL”


Renaud Lavoie adds Fehr as saying “I assure you the NHL don’t want to follow the NBA model.”


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:45 PM

Betteman planned for a lockout all along. The NHL is taking the fans for granted once again!!!! They've already counted the money fans will generate and are fighting over it!!!!

Hit them in the pocketbook. If there is a lockout, fans should start a petition vowing to stop buying NHL merchandise once the lockout is over. Get enough people on board and maybe they will heed our desires on this issue. We want hockey, period!!! Money and revenue is what the NHL and players stand to lose if we unite and let them know how we feel. We should put this proposition to other fan bases.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:33 PM

Bettman knows how to do one thing, and that's ruin the sport of hockey.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:28 PM

revenues are up in spite of Bettman, not because of him. His 600 million dollar fail TV contract with ABC and ESPN led to the 2004-2005 lockout

The only reason this current TV deal worked out is because Comcast acquired NBC Universal, they were showing hockey games on the goddamn Outdoor Life Network before that.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 07:41 PM

I won't be back for a couple years if this year goes in the can. Off to Soccer in the meantime.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 09:19 PM

Betteman planned for a lockout all along. The NHL is taking the fans for granted once again!!!! They've already counted the money fans will generate and are fighting over it!!!!

Hit them in the pocketbook. If there is a lockout, fans should start a petition vowing to stop buying NHL merchandise once the lockout is over. Get enough people on board and maybe they will heed our desires on this issue. We want hockey, period!!! Money and revenue is what the NHL and players stand to lose if we unite and let them know how we feel. We should put this proposition to other fan bases.

Dead in the water idea, never going to happen. The fans will be watching news everyday of the lock-out, follow every comment and be back watching and busying the day hockey starts again. True fans have no life, the owners know that!
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:25 AM

Number 1, it takes two to cause a conflict and the NHLPA has proved absolutely inept at negotiating. And number 2, the negotiating skills are assessed on the basis of the results achieved; in the last negotiations the players said no cap, no way, never never. Who won that negotiation? Bettman is a master negotiator and that is in part because the lock out is a tool that he is not afraid of using

One side can create conflict by continually antagonizing the other, I got into plenty of fights growing up as a result of being on the receiving end of bullies looking for fights (maybe this is little man Bettmans way of getting back at his bullies, by being one himself)

When the result achieved is a system that the guy who "negotiated" it says is broken less than 10 years later and we head into a third lockout under his watch, how can you call that a successful negotiator? Do long term results not mean anything in your world? He's more like a dictator with a complete lack of fore-sight.

Edited by Norman Clegg, 18 August 2012 - 04:44 AM.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:29 AM

If there's another lockout Iwill cry

We need to fire Bettman. We can't be having lockouts left and right everytime the CBA expires. Since Bettman's been hired there have been 2 lockouts and we are on the verge of a third :picard:
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:31 AM

Betteman planned for a lockout all along. The NHL is taking the fans for granted once again!!!! They've already counted the money fans will generate and are fighting over it!!!!

Hit them in the pocketbook. If there is a lockout, fans should start a petition vowing to stop buying NHL merchandise once the lockout is over. Get enough people on board and maybe they will heed our desires on this issue. We want hockey, period!!! Money and revenue is what the NHL and players stand to lose if we unite and let them know how we feel. We should put this proposition to other fan bases.

I used to watch every game I could regardless of who was playing, I never fully came back after 95, it took about 4 years to even casually start watching after 2005, and I have become so disgusted with the NHL I never watched a game after the 1st round last year, the game management in the Rangers/Sens series was so obvious it made me sick, I have no intention of watching the NHL or spending a penny on it until some major changes take place, a true fan loves the game and there is plenty of hockey available without these greedy swine (both sides), the NHL needs me more than I need them.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:40 AM

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Edited by Norman Clegg, 18 August 2012 - 04:40 AM.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:13 AM

Number 1, it takes two to cause a conflict and the NHLPA has proved absolutely inept at negotiating. And number 2, the negotiating skills are assessed on the basis of the results achieved; in the last negotiations the players said no cap, no way, never never. Who won that negotiation? Bettman is a master negotiator and that is in part because the lock out is a tool that he is not afraid of using

Actually, it doesn't take 2 to cause a conflict. If one side does not negotiate in good faith, then the other side isn't causing conflict.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:06 AM

Actually, it doesn't take 2 to cause a conflict. If one side does not negotiate in good faith, then the other side isn't causing conflict.

That is the easy way out. Are you suggesting that one side is not negotiating in good faith?
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:11 AM

Don Cherry thinks the NHL will be shut down for 2 months:

“I’m afraid it looks like two months. Everybody’s talking that they’re going to be out two months,” Cherry said after the walk Friday evening. “It’s a lockout, it’s a shame. Everybody’s making money but everybody wants more money, and wouldn’t you? And that’s the way it works. It’s too bad.


“It’s hard to believe we’re going to miss hockey for two months.”


http://www.torontosu...nth-nhl-lockout
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:12 AM

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wow lol. It's pretty sad what the guy is doing to hockey...
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:25 PM

Don Cherry thinks the NHL will be shut down for 2 months:

“I’m afraid it looks like two months. Everybody’s talking that they’re going to be out two months,” Cherry said after the walk Friday evening. “It’s a lockout, it’s a shame. Everybody’s making money but everybody wants more money, and wouldn’t you? And that’s the way it works. It’s too bad.


“It’s hard to believe we’re going to miss hockey for two months.”


http://www.torontosu...nth-nhl-lockout



It is so stupid. Lock yourselves in a room and hammer out a deal. Go through step by step. The players hired Fehr because they got bullied into an agreement last time. The owners feel like they lost the last agreement because the salaries are higher than in 2004 even though they got their precious cap which they circumvented right away.

The system is broken and here's how.

Player says, "I want eleven million next year."

The manager replies, "That puts the team over the cap."

The players shrugs and says, "I can get that from another team."

The manager then designs a contract which tacks on cheap years at the end to bring the cap hit down. The owner then signs off on that contract.

There is pressure to ice the best team and to win, but the owners did this to themselves. Look at the Weber fiasco. Ed Snyder cannot okay that offer and then cry foul at these meetings. He simply can't. 14 years with front loading designed to ward off the Predators. You know, one of the have nots that owners are so worried about? Owners are so worried about the small market teams that they buy them at prices a small market cannot afford. They then jack up their ticket prices to cover the cost which raises the cap further and makes those small market teams suffer while barely being able to afford the cap floor. The owners then blame the greedy players.

I am not saying players are not greedy, but the owners screwed the system THEY CRAFTED. They got the rollback in 2005. The got the hard cap. They then signed huge checks, raised ticket prices to a level where I cannot afford to watch a Canucks game anymore and expect the public to understand how it is the players' fault they are not making enough money. This isn't about a league going broke like in 2005. This is a league saying they want a bigger cut because the NBA and NFL got a bigger cut. What really gets me is if the NBA and NFL gave the players a larger amount of revenues, would the owners be saying "Oh please take 60% of revenues? That's what the NFL did, so it is only fair." No, we would hear Bettman on the TV talking about how you cannot compare the NFL and NHL as they are in completely different financial realms.

That said, I won't lie. When this is settled, I will still watch the games, buy the jerseys and cheer on my favorite teams. I'll just boycott watching NHL games during any lockout that happens. :)

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:27 PM

In theory, a boycott would send a huge message and be pretty awesome if people actually did it. But like abused women to their overbearing, white trash husbands...they always come crawling back. It just makes me shake my head...I can't belive there is going to be ANOTHER lockout.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:12 PM

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NHLPA expecting close to 40 players to attend meeting with Fehr in Kelowna,BC.Kris Versteeg,Andrew Ladd,Duncan Keith among confirmed. #TSN
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:16 PM

if there is a lockout would they show CHL games?
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 05:22 PM

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