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#3421 Drybone

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

If you think the PA are the one's trying to shove the owner's around then you have absolutely no clue what is going on.

The Players have already made over a billion dollars in rollbacks, yet the Owner's refuse to budge at all, it seems like the players move a mile, and the owner's move an inch.

Where we are at right now is summed up perfectly by (From the NHL) "We appreciate the rollbacks, but you still haven't given us what we want yet"



Your theory just proves the owner's don't care about the game, they just want to win, that's all they care about.

There not trying to form a partnership, there trying to win a war.

If they really cared about saving the season they wouldn't have made such a lopsided 1st proposal, and they would have actually make a some-what serious proposal in August, rather than waiting to October.

There is no reason we should lose the season over this, but we will and it's embaress, we are fighting over about 190 Million dollars or whatever it is.

To me it just makes the league come across as even more of a joke than they already are, the Players tried to bargain in good faith but the owner's seem to have been hellbent again bargain in good faith along with them, they have wanted a war all along, and if that's what they want then I can't wait till the PA desertifies and starts battling back.


What part of this DONT ..............YOU...................GET......................

The union.........................OWNS................NO...............PART................OF ................THE................NHL................

the union ....................HAS ...............NO ........................RIGHTS.....................

Why do you insists on masturbating to the FANTASY that players union has some kind of rights and DESERVE to be 50% partners with the owners who own 100% of the league.

This is the last time I will try to explain this to you 15 year olds who live with mommy and daddy and have no clue how the real world works.

Thats it. If you want to continue to masturbate to your fantasy. The union is not 'entitled' to anything. You kids live with your parents and cant think any way outside of this mindset of childish nonsense.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:30 PM

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:46 PM

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It's clear you don't have the slightest idea of what is going on in this negotiation, you just blame the players without any real reason besides your own biased opinion.

What part of this DONT ..............YOU...................GET......................

The union.........................OWNS................NO...............PART................OF ................THE................NHL................

the union ....................HAS ...............NO ........................RIGHTS.....................

Why do you insists on masturbating to the FANTASY that players union has some kind of rights and DESERVE to be 50% partners with the owners who own 100% of the league.

This is the last time I will try to explain this to you 15 year olds who live with mommy and daddy and have no clue how the real world works.

Thats it. If you want to continue to masturbate to your fantasy. The union is not 'entitled' to anything. You kids live with your parents and cant think any way outside of this mindset of childish nonsense.


Childish nonsense? You mean like your post?

I guess if the NHLPA has no rights, we lost the entire 04/05 season for nothing, if that's the case, and the Owner's control everything and can push the players around and get anything they want, why haven't they gotten it yet? Why didn't they get 90% of the HRR plus all the contracting rights, and any additional system they want? If the Owner's are in complete control like you seem to think.


it's because they have a partnership with the players.


They don't control the players like dictators, the NHL and the Players form a partnership, that's what the CBA is. The Players make the game the success it is, we don't all pay to just to go sit in the arena's, we pay to watch the players play. The Bottom line is without the Players the NHL isn't anything.

And BTW, if the owner's got everything they wanted, why would players stick around? There are plently of high level leagues that pay well to go play in, they would just leave and go else where. You act like they are locked into the league, and have to accept the owner's every demand.


I guess you are just uninformed, and due to your frustration you pile all your criticism onto the players, without any real logic behind it. Atleast logic that makes sense anyways..

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:52 PM

Why is it that you bash everyone who thinks Fehr is doing a great job, and who believes the PA has been far more willing to negotiate than the NHL.

Yet whenever I ask you why you think Fehr is so bad, or whenever I ask you to defend your stance or whatever it may be. You never reply.

I just don't understand, for someone who is so anti-fehr, and is comfortable being so negative towards people who don't share your stance, you don't really explain yourself well at all.


I know you dont understand. You are a kid and it would take you 20 years to even have the slighest clue as to understand what I am writing.

You dont get it so you get frustrated and shrug your shoulders. You hang out here where there is other kids to cannot understand this concept.

These are men who are 500 levels over your paygrade. If you were a business man who has an 18 year old child and has the life experience I have, then you would understand me completely.

You are an amusing . So are all you guys who think the union has some kind of 'power' . You want to FANTASIZE that you play in the NHL and are scoring the goal to win the cup blah blah.............just like we all did when we were young. The owners are foreign and so far above your concept to understand you simply ignore them as irrelevant.

So yes, I get where you are coming from. YOU dont get where I am coming from. You are too young. Way too young that is.

Do this instead.

JUDGE the proof in the pudding . I have been right every step of the way about Fehr and the union and how this would shake down. You have not.

Now you are spinning to try to save face.What are you left with? Half a season because the union needed to bring on a HIRED gun known for lock out in baseball.

Only an IDIOT thinks Fehr has helped the union at this point. Only a little KID , who lives with his parents and has no financial gain or loss can afford to still believe Fehr is still helping somehow.

They got a federal mediator and de certification as the two options left.

See how well Fehr put the owner in their place?

What a joke. We should be playing hockey by now. Not still dealing with this guys crap.

This is the last time I try to explain something 20 years over your head to you. If you still think Fehr and the union are right or 'winning' then go tell it to one of your 17 year old cronies. I cant have my intelligence insulted anymore.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:52 PM

Smashian Kassian..... for whatever reason, you always respond to idiot posts. Why? You won't be able to change Drybone's mind that labour laws exist in Canada and the US anymore than you can make King of the ES understand a balanced argument.

If a poster has no knowledge of the last hundred years if labour relations in NA and has access to the internet he is willing ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

Leave it be.

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#3426 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

I know you dont understand. You are a kid and it would take you 20 years to even have the slighest clue as to understand what I am writing.

You dont get it so you get frustrated and shrug your shoulders. You hang out here where there is other kids to cannot understand this concept.

These are men who are 500 levels over your paygrade. If you were a business man who has an 18 year old child and has the life experience I have, then you would understand me completely.

You are an amusing . So are all you guys who think the union has some kind of 'power' . You want to FANTASIZE that you play in the NHL and are scoring the goal to win the cup blah blah.............just like we all did when we were young. The owners are foreign and so far above your concept to understand you simply ignore them as irrelevant.

So yes, I get where you are coming from. YOU dont get where I am coming from. You are too young. Way too young that is.

Do this instead.

JUDGE the proof in the pudding . I have been right every step of the way about Fehr and the union and how this would shake down. You have not.

Now you are spinning to try to save face.What are you left with? Half a season because the union needed to bring on a HIRED gun known for lock out in baseball.

Only an IDIOT thinks Fehr has helped the union at this point. Only a little KID , who lives with his parents and has no financial gain or loss can afford to still believe Fehr is still helping somehow.

They got a federal mediator and de certification as the two options left.

See how well Fehr put the owner in their place?

What a joke. We should be playing hockey by now. Not still dealing with this guys crap.

This is the last time I try to explain something 20 years over your head to you. If you still think Fehr and the union are right or 'winning' then go tell it to one of your 17 year old cronies. I cant have my intelligence insulted anymore.


Yeah your right, you already did a good enough job of it with this post.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

It's clear you don't have the slightest idea of what is going on in this negotiation, you just blame the players without any real reason besides your own biased opinion.



Childish nonsense? You mean like your post?

I guess if the NHLPA has no rights, we lost the entire 04/05 season for nothing, if that's the case, and the Owner's control everything and can push the players around and get anything they want, why haven't they gotten it yet? Why didn't they get 90% of the HRR plus all the contracting rights, and any additional system they want? If the Owner's are in complete control like you seem to think.


it's because they have a partnership with the players.


They don't control the players like dictators, the NHL and the Players form a partnership, that's what the CBA is. The Players make the game the success it is, we don't all pay to just to go sit in the arena's, we pay to watch the players play. The Bottom line is without the Players the NHL isn't anything.

And BTW, if the owner's got everything they wanted, why would players stick around? There are plently of high level leagues that pay well to go play in, they would just leave and go else where. You act like they are locked into the league, and have to accept the owner's every demand.


I guess you are just uninformed, and due to your frustration you pile all your criticism onto the players, without any real logic behind it. Atleast logic that makes sense anyways..


You know nothing about law. The owners have NO LEGAL partnership with the players. Get you head out of your ass.

The union has no power. They have no CBA.

i am sick and tired of some LITTLE KID hiding behind the internet claiming he knows about business matters 500 degrees over his paygrade.

Go argue with your 17 year old cronies who want to believe this fantasy the union has any power.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

Smashian Kassian..... for whatever reason, you always respond to idiot posts. Why? You won't be able to change Drybone's mind that labour laws exist in Canada and the US anymore than you can make King of the ES understand a balanced argument.

If a poster has no knowledge of the last hundred years if labour relations in NA and has access to the internet he is willing ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

Leave it be.


:lol:

Yeah your right, I'll just leave him be for now on accept that some people are just ignorant.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

Smashian Kassian..... for whatever reason, you always respond to idiot posts. Why? You won't be able to change Drybone's mind that labour laws exist in Canada and the US anymore than you can make King of the ES understand a balanced argument.

If a poster has no knowledge of the last hundred years if labour relations in NA and has access to the internet he is willing ignorant or intentionally obtuse.

Leave it be.


The union HAS NO CONTRACT and thus no rights with the NHL. Its irrelevant that you dont like it .

Boo hoo...............
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:01 PM

You know nothing about law. The owners have NO LEGAL partnership with the players. Get you head out of your ass.

The union has no power. They have no CBA.

i am sick and tired of some LITTLE KID hiding behind the internet claiming he knows about business matters 500 degrees over his paygrade.

Go argue with your 17 year old cronies who want to believe this fantasy the union has any power.


I'm tired of 40 year olds hiding behind a computer and thinking there opinion is better than everyone else's who is younger than them, when the truth is they have little knowlodge on what is actually happening.

You say there is no legal agreement between the two, then explain what a CBA is anyways? that's right, a legal agreement.


Now this thread is about discussion on the CBA, if you want to continue to insult me and call me whatever age you want, and tell me how little you think I know, then PM me and we can bicker & argue there.

Because I'm sure other people don't appreciate back and forth insults, when there is supposed to be a disscussion.


Way to show some maturity BTW, and that's coming from "The Kid".
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

:lol:

Yeah your right, I'll just leave him be for now on accept that some people are just ignorant.


Thats right. 17 year old kids know more than 60 year old multi millionare owners with law degrees.

Keep hiding behind the internet masturbating to what YOU want to personally believe. A kid living with his parents knows better than all the professionals. .

For the final time SHUT UP.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:03 PM

@reporterchris: While CBA negotiations are likely to be held this week, the NHL isn't planning to come with a new offer.


They dont need to come with a new offer. The NHL can tell the NHLPA where to go.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:19 PM

Thats right. 17 year old kids know more than 60 year old multi millionare owners with law degrees.

Keep hiding behind the internet masturbating to what YOU want to personally believe. A kid living with his parents knows better than all the professionals. .

For the final time SHUT UP.


Congratulations on being a sixty year old multi-millionaire with atrocious grammar. What a believable story, especially reading your raging comments about KIDS WITH NO JOBS. If they let people as smart as you become lawyers then I think I'll represent myself in court, should the need arise. I should win, easily.

But truthfully, you are just trolling, no matter how you slice it. Even if you really are on the owner's side, the way you've approached this discussion is completely unreasonable.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

I don't always double post ...

Edited by Remy, 26 November 2012 - 07:26 PM.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:24 PM

But when I do, I triple post.

Edited by Remy, 26 November 2012 - 07:28 PM.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

Nothing wrong with Bettman's stance IMO. The CBA has some loopholes that need to be closed, ie: cap circumvention. The revenue sharing needs to be revised to match other leagues. It needs to be at least 50/50. If there needs to be a lockout then so be it.

At least the league will be healthier going forward. I can take a couple of months delay in start to the season in exchange for long-term health of the NHL.

The only way to really put pressure on the players and let them know the league is serious is by threatening and following thru with a lockout. Nothing will get their attention like a few missed pay cheques.


Here is a guy who used his common sense right from the beginning of the thread.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

I know you dont understand. You are a kid and it would take you 20 years to even have the slighest clue as to understand what I am writing.

You dont get it so you get frustrated and shrug your shoulders. You hang out here where there is other kids to cannot understand this concept.

These are men who are 500 levels over your paygrade. If you were a business man who has an 18 year old child and has the life experience I have, then you would understand me completely.

You are an amusing . So are all you guys who think the union has some kind of 'power' . You want to FANTASIZE that you play in the NHL and are scoring the goal to win the cup blah blah.............just like we all did when we were young. The owners are foreign and so far above your concept to understand you simply ignore them as irrelevant.

So yes, I get where you are coming from. YOU dont get where I am coming from. You are too young. Way too young that is.

Do this instead.

JUDGE the proof in the pudding . I have been right every step of the way about Fehr and the union and how this would shake down. You have not.

Now you are spinning to try to save face.What are you left with? Half a season because the union needed to bring on a HIRED gun known for lock out in baseball.

Only an IDIOT thinks Fehr has helped the union at this point. Only a little KID , who lives with his parents and has no financial gain or loss can afford to still believe Fehr is still helping somehow.

They got a federal mediator and de certification as the two options left.

See how well Fehr put the owner in their place?

What a joke. We should be playing hockey by now. Not still dealing with this guys crap.

This is the last time I try to explain something 20 years over your head to you. If you still think Fehr and the union are right or 'winning' then go tell it to one of your 17 year old cronies. I cant have my intelligence insulted anymore.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

I don't always double post ...


But when I do, I triple post.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:44 PM

I haven't read anything on this page, but I trust it's the usual inferiority complex coming from Drybone.

Anyways, this Serota 'scandal' has me in stitches. Lmao, on his facebook profile from April 5th, it has him making some kind of robot penis joke, clearly his account wasn't hacked - this guy just has a really poor sense of humour. Absolutely ridiculous that a federal program like this can't be called upon when it's needed, or to moderate it's own people. This is a bad start, but seeing this unravel is freaking hilarious, I hope Jay and Dan do a piece on Serota tonight!
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:45 PM

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

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I know you dont understand. You are a kid and it would take you 20 years to even have the slighest clue as to understand what I am writing.

You dont get it so you get frustrated and shrug your shoulders. You hang out here where there is other kids to cannot understand this concept.

These are men who are 500 levels over your paygrade. If you were a business man who has an 18 year old child and has the life experience I have, then you would understand me completely.

You are an amusing . So are all you guys who think the union has some kind of 'power' . You want to FANTASIZE that you play in the NHL and are scoring the goal to win the cup blah blah.............just like we all did when we were young. The owners are foreign and so far above your concept to understand you simply ignore them as irrelevant.

So yes, I get where you are coming from. YOU dont get where I am coming from. You are too young. Way too young that is.

Do this instead.

JUDGE the proof in the pudding . I have been right every step of the way about Fehr and the union and how this would shake down. You have not.

Now you are spinning to try to save face.What are you left with? Half a season because the union needed to bring on a HIRED gun known for lock out in baseball.

Only an IDIOT thinks Fehr has helped the union at this point. Only a little KID , who lives with his parents and has no financial gain or loss can afford to still believe Fehr is still helping somehow.

They got a federal mediator and de certification as the two options left.

See how well Fehr put the owner in their place?

What a joke. We should be playing hockey by now. Not still dealing with this guys crap.

This is the last time I try to explain something 20 years over your head to you. If you still think Fehr and the union are right or 'winning' then go tell it to one of your 17 year old cronies. I cant have my intelligence insulted anymore.

Jesus man, calm your tone. For an adult, you sure do get emotionally invested in a silly internet forum. That's not so mature. Also, if you think paygrade has something to do with intelligence and understanding, then you are being paid too much.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:07 PM

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:32 PM

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:41 PM

Why do you insists on masturbating to the FANTASY that players union has some kind of rights
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This is the last time I will try to explain this to you 15 year olds who live with mommy and daddy and have no clue how the real world works.


Thats right. 17 year old kids...
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Keep hiding behind the internet masturbating to what YOU want to personally believe.


Dude, seriously! If you think he's that young stop talking to him about masturbation. It's getting weird.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:52 PM

A few weeks back DB made a post and I said it was the beginning of the end. I think we may be getting close to the end of the end.

Anyone who thinks we really know anything of any importance is fooling themselves. We know pieces about part of a few things. Mix that with the inability to see the other side of an argument and the unwillingness to back down and you get what we've seen for the last page or so. Save the passion for when hockey starts guys and girls.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:12 PM

heh ... DB also made a post declaring that Bettman and the Owners had clearly won the public opinion vote.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:15 PM

Dude, seriously! If you think he's that young stop talking to him about masturbation. It's getting weird.


I know it was getting weird, Im not even that young, past that stage anyways :lol:

Perhaps Drybone moved on and now everyone else can move on to a discussion.


I haven't heard much about this mediation but it's sounds like a good step, IMO we are really alot closer than Gary makes it seem, Both sides just need to move a little closer together and the same time and things should get sorted out.

so maybe this will push the envelope a little and we can get the game back on the ice.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

Yeah, hopefully it is a step in the right direction. As someone said earlier, maybe this will let them get a deal done finally without either side appearing to have lost. I just can't believe they want to waste another season like this.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

http://www.star-tele...o-join-nhl.html

What is promising to me is Cohen's track record.

Cohen has worked with the players' associations for Major League Baseball, helping end the 1994-95 strike as an outside counsel, and the NBA. He was an adviser to the NHL players' union before joining FMCS three years ago.

Cohen mediated during the 2010 negotiations in Major League Soccer and 2011 talks in the NFL and NBA, along with this year's dispute between the NFL and its on-field officials.


Read more here: http://www.star-tele...l#storylink=cpy



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