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Trevor Linden: Hero or villain of the last lockout?


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#1 abdemarco

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:17 PM

As the NHL lockout nears the end of its sixth week, I feel compelled to think about the end of the 2004-2005 lockout. You might recall that Trevor Linden, our beloved Captain Canuck, was the NHLPA's president at that time and that he is held as the one who got the NHLPA and NHL talking again to resolve the labour situation in 2005.

While there were other notable parties involved in the negotiations, Linden became the face for the players. Some viewed the last CBA signing as a capitulation by the players. Some were just glad to be getting NHL hockey back again. Regardless of your view of the current lockout, do you feel Linden was a hero, a villain, or mostly an innocent bystander in the last lockout?

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:34 PM

Doesn't matter who the player is, depending on how much they are involved makes people think either they are a hero or villain.

Personally I do not think he was a villain. All players and owners are out to get what's in their best interest.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:46 PM

This is a good question. I know that there are a lot of players that feel that they lost the last lockout and the union was broken and that Linden gave up way too much. There's also suggestions that this is why the players are being so firm this time around.

On the other hand, I don't know that it's fair to say the players lost because the NHL came back stronger than ever and player salaries rose by an incredible amount.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

Anyone who mentions Trevor Linden and villain in the same phrase without the words "Mark Messier" needs to burn at the stake :P

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:37 PM

hero. Always has been. Always will be. Unless he does something crazy stupid and riots after we win the cup out of joy... then he becomes immortalized!!! Derp It would have to be a one man riot though none else can rain on his parade!
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 01:48 PM

In the end he saw that hockey needed to come back and they needed to break the impasse.

It takes courage to do that. So I call him a hero. I'm pretty sure a lot of NHLPA folks view him as caving in. But really the cap was a sticking point, and look how much money the players made afterwords.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:29 PM

The lockout in 2004-05 was a lot more needed than the current one is.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:02 PM

I don't think this is the best place to go looking for unbiased answers to this question.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 09:22 PM

did you seriously ask canucks fans whether trevor linden could be considered a villain?

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 09:32 PM

In before king of ES comes claiming villian.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:44 PM

Anybody who considers Trevor Linden to be a villain can only by a Fox executive...As a browncoat, I mean that in the worst possible sense.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:49 PM

Can't deny Linden. If he did not pursue a career in hockey, his intellect and mediation skills would have served him well in a profession like law.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 01:45 AM

Last go around, the players were the good guys, this time they are being greedy!

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 08:50 AM

I would consider him a hero because without his leadership, the talks were at an impasse. I wish he was unvolved in this time around because there would be a better chance that both sides would be in a room negotiating.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:47 AM

People in that position often become a scapegoat and it's very much a "can't please all the people" deal. My ex is in the same position at work and sometimes people aren't looking at the big picture and it becomes a power struggle more than anything. People are quick to pass judgment and assign blame to the guy who's job it is to find a solution, but they themselves aren't willing to step up and do it. It takes someone with courage to take a stance that isn't always accepted by all...part of being a leader involves making those tough decisions.

Not a villain by any means...it's about finding a balance between ALL parties and it involves give and take. Trevor was level headed was good at keeping things in perspective and not buckling to pressure. When you're negotiating, it isn't a popularity contest, it's about finding a balance and something that's workable for all.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:05 AM

Hero for sure. The game was struggling at that time, and guess what.

Situation is no different back then, then now. Heading nowhere fast, probably 82 game season is all but scrapped. Gary Bettman as predictable, is his way or the high way, he doesn't even look at the offers presented. NHLPA has submitted 7 offers to him, they've been looked at a total of 10 minutes, as Donald Fehr is saying.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 12:53 PM

Hero all the way, lots of money to be made later on. Some one has got to make those choices, I'm happy it was a former player. I'm curious to see who is gonna step up for this lock out, some one has to do it. All those star russian players sure aren't, good luck in the KHL you traitors! lol jk

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:28 PM

Anyone who mentions Trevor Linden and villain in the same phrase without the words "Mark Messier" needs to burn at the stake :P

Switch the t and k around and they can burn at the "skate"!

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

hero. Always has been. Always will be. Unless he does something crazy stupid and riots after we win the cup out of joy... then he becomes immortalized!!! Derp It would have to be a one man riot though none else can rain on his parade!




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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:42 PM

It was a thankless job. Some players look at him as a capitulating traitor, and Bettman looks at him as a patsy.

That last time and this time as well, everyone knows that all the cards are in the owners hands. This is why they have the gall to demand further concessions and paying back salaries retroactively on a deal that THEY strong-armed Linden and the union into accepting last time. They know in the end they will get pretty well everything they want. Its just a matter of time for players pride and pocketbooks to be worn down enough to come back with their tails between their legs and submit to Gary and the billionaire club.

A lot of us just wish it was over, including me, but I don't blame players for holding out. Its a natural human instinct when a boss forces you to sign a contract, and then a few years later and in spite of the company being flush with profits as well as the owners bank account, demand you pay back some of your previous salary and take less in the future. I don't blame them for holding out, but its the fans that get screwed the most out of it.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:54 PM

Depends who you ask. For the players Linden is definitely a hero. Just take a look at their salary increase since 2005.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:56 PM

Anyone who mentions Trevor Linden and villain in the same phrase without the words "Mark Messier" needs to burn at the stake :P




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BTW who is the pres of the NHLPA now?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:18 AM

Last go around, the players were the good guys, this time they are being greedy!


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:08 AM

Um the Players got a great deal last lockout much thanks to Trevor.

Think about how the players would love to still be playing under the old CBA and I am sure would love it if it never changed.

A lot of players were mad at Trevor thinking they could have gotten more, in particular no Salary Cap, those players were also the same players saying they could start their own league and to not listen to NHL proposals anymore.

Hockey would not be where it is today without the negotiations Trevor made.

Many many players are extremely rich because of what he did get for players during that lockout albeit at the price of a hard salary cap (which was inevitable anyways and was something the NHL would not budge on).
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:54 AM

I truly believe Trevor was a hero. Imagine what people would think of you on this board if I said villian.
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