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[Injury] Karlsson achilles cut 70% in battle with Cooke, out 3-4 mo after surgery


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:55 AM

Completely freak accident during a hockey play, Cooke won't be suspended
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

You know what they say, Calgary loves company.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:23 AM

Didn't look accidental to me, and given Cooke's history, I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:35 AM

Either way, Ottawa's in trouble. Defensively they've been brutal all season long anyway, Anderson's the single reason this team is any good right now. He's been standing on his head all season long, facing quality and quantity of shots.

Now the only problem is offence - missing two point-per-game producers in Spezza and Karlsson, this team is really going to struggle offensively. I don't see the Sens making any big deals either, so their playoff hopes are practically dashed. Karlsson will be done for the season.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:59 AM

Not intentional, gimme a break.

Feel really bad for Karlsson and the Senators. Their season is all but done with Spezza and Karlsson out, and Cowen as well.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:36 AM

http://youtu.be/EyfTzunzrUk

If that's actually a cut, that is a serious blow to the Sens chances with Cowan out to begin the season and Spezza out recently as well.


Reasons why I think it was intentional:
1)Cooke seems to have a stamping motion i.e. after his skate landed on Karlssons tendon instead of it just gliding down to the ice (which it should have done as Cooke looked off balance landing on that foot), but instead he replants his foot on the ice behind as if in complete control the whole time.
2) After Karlsson let out several screams, Cooke didn't even look back; especially since the impact into the boards was very slight, a normal reaction would have been to look back in surprise of what just happened.
3) It's Matt Cooke
4) It's Karlsson (not exactly your typical bench warmer)

Edited by adniel_g, 14 February 2013 - 06:39 AM.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:19 AM

Doesn't matter to me if it was accidental or not, he needs to be suspended. If you caused such injury and there is evidence of recklessness ... ie. skate up, left leg up to kick ... should result in a suspension. If NHL doesn't, players will exact their own revenge next time they play. In real life, an accidental murder ... manslaughter comes with punishment.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:27 AM

Nothing wrong with what Cooke did... Freak accident.

And Neversummer, this isn't exactly murder what Cooke did...
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:30 AM

Completely accidental.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:32 AM

And Neversummer, this isn't exactly murder what Cooke did...


Ask the Sens if this is a significant loss. No problems if NHL doesn't punish, there is a code that settles things like this. Crosby or Malkin just better keep their heads on a swivel and have eyes on the back of their head.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:37 AM

Of course he is going to say that.


I've seen the tape several times now.......no way was that intentional. They went into the boards together, both slightly off balance. That was just Cooke trying to regain a skate on the ice. Unfortunate, but completely incidental.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:30 AM

Terrible for the Sens.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:51 AM

Well that sucks for the Sens...
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:22 AM

This wasn't a freak accident. People ride each other into the boards all the time, fighting for balance. Legs come up all the time. But NO ONE then tries to push off the boards or someone's leg with their skate. This is not a hockey play.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:32 AM

Lol. "Cooke didn't mean to do it. He's changed!" How many people do you know that have changed THAT much? And he's never done anything like that, and wouldn't? Pretty sure he's put out plenty of guys long term on purpose before. The play looks way too awkward to have it ruled out as accidental. Doesn't help it looks like he stomps down too. Not exactly sure why he needed to lift his leg up while he hit the boards in the first place.

Cooke did well in toning things down, but this is like finding a smoking gun in a convicted felon's hand with someone laying shot nearby. Doesn't look normal or natural at all. Unless Cooke was trying to climb Karlsson to get over the glass or dry hump him because he was a big fan.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

Doesn't matter to me if it was accidental or not, he needs to be suspended. If you caused such injury and there is evidence of recklessness ... ie. skate up, left leg up to kick ... should result in a suspension. If NHL doesn't, players will exact their own revenge next time they play. In real life, an accidental murder ... manslaughter comes with punishment.


Yes!!! Someone on this board has some common sense. So many people say "accident, not his fault". You know, he doesn't need to be intentionally trying to cut Karlsson to be guilty.

I know this concept is too big for the tiny brains of most people here.

Manslaughter does come with a punishment, even if you accidentally kill someone with no intention or desire. Cooke was trying to trip Karlsson with his foot, which is extremely dangerous. This alone establishes guilt. 20 games. Intentional would be a lifetime ban, so consider 20 games light.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:42 AM

The Nhl has said it is not a suspendable play.Since there are many former players and people with multiple years of experience working for the league I'd have to agree.

Not a suspendable act.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:45 AM

Yes!!! Someone on this board has some common sense. So many people say "accident, not his fault". You know, he doesn't need to be intentionally trying to cut Karlsson to be guilty.

I know this concept is too big for the tiny brains of most people here.

Manslaughter does come with a punishment, even if you accidentally kill someone with no intention or desire. Cooke was trying to trip Karlsson with his foot, which is extremely dangerous. This alone establishes guilt. 20 games. Intentional would be a lifetime ban, so consider 20 games light.

Should we start suspending people who unintentionally injure other players with slapshots, too?

You can complain about the "tiny brains" around CDC all you want, but you won't find a knowledgeable hockey analyst who would agree with your position on this.

It's a typical hockey play with a horrendous outcome. You can find countless examples of players raising their knee behind the opposing players legs. It's not a slew foot. It controls the movement of the other player to an extent, to help ensure they don't slip away. Once you hit the boards your leg has to come down or you lose balance. Horrific accident. View it in full time, not slow motion.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:49 AM

Reasons why I think it was intentional:
1)Cooke seems to have a stamping motion i.e. after his skate landed on Karlssons tendon instead of it just gliding down to the ice (which it should have done as Cooke looked off balance landing on that foot), but instead he replants his foot on the ice behind as if in complete control the whole time.
2) After Karlsson let out several screams, Cooke didn't even look back; especially since the impact into the boards was very slight, a normal reaction would have been to look back in surprise of what just happened.
3) It's Matt Cooke
4) It's Karlsson (not exactly your typical bench warmer)


Seems like you have a lot of unnecessary text in there. Let me trim that for you:

1) Matt Cooke
2) Matt Cooke
3) Matt Cooke
4) Matt Cooke

That's better. If it were anyone other than Cooke, and still not a Bruin, there would be no debate about whether or not it was intentional.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:51 AM

Looks like he's done for the season.

Lacerated Achilles

A laceration is probably the best outcome of this play. I was worried it might have been a tear induced by the added pressure from Cooke's skate coming down on it. Horrible development for the Sens, and hockey in general.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:55 AM

No way the league was going to suspend Cooke. The NHL does not want a black eye especially coming out of a lockout. If they suspend him then the police may get involved and charge Cooke. This would drag on for years.

It would be difficult to explain how a player could cut another player's achilles tendon in their sport.

NHL pretends its an accident and life carries on. I expect TSN and SPSN analysts to do the responsible thing and play along so their bread and butter provider does not take a hit. Otherwise CNN reports on what happened and NHL gets another black eye on par with the Bertuzzi incident.

I called it yesterday. NHL brushed it under the carpet.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:01 AM

That's hilarious.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

No way the league was going to suspend Cooke. The NHL does not want a black eye especially coming out of a lockout. If they suspend him then the police may get involved and charge Cooke. This would drag on for years.

It would be difficult to explain how a player could cut another player's achilles tendon in their sport.

NHL pretends its an accident and life carries on. I expect TSN and SPSN analysts to do the responsible thing and play along so their bread and butter provider does not take a hit. Otherwise CNN reports on what happened and NHL gets another black eye on par with the Bertuzzi incident.

I called it yesterday. NHL brushed it under the carpet.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:16 AM

Seriously though. Does anyone here remember either of the names of the players who's skates cut Bieksa?

Everyone's running around with blades attached to their feet. Cuts are going to happen.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:19 AM

Why do you have to lift your skate to pin him? Can't you keep your skate on the ice and do the same thing?


he doesn't......they come together as the come to the boards. When they do Cooke loses some balance and his leg comes up. It's a play that happens several times on every shift.

Lots of posters who have clearly never played a lot of hockey, certainly none with body contact
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:21 AM

I think it was intentional and think he is pure evil. I wouldn't doubt he researched how to injur a top defenseman and make it look like an accident. This sport is not as innocent as some would love to believe, and I am not fooled by it.


Yeah he probably read the book "Injuring NHL Superstar Defensemen for Dummies" and all the other literary material that exists on how to injure other players. *sarcasm*

I know hockey is a tough violent sport but come on, you make him sound like a trained assassin.

Seriously though it looked to me like he was just losing his balance and attempting to plant his leg to regain balance a wide stance. It's possible that he did it on purpose with it being Cooke and all, but it would be very difficult to do so and I think it's way more likely that it was an accident. In hockey, things don't always happen in predictable ways.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:30 AM

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

Seriously though. Does anyone here remember either of the names of the players who's skates cut Bieksa?

Everyone's running around with blades attached to their feet. Cuts are going to happen.


might be Peter Prucha (sp?).... ya surprise doesn't happen more often especially during fights..
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

To me the question isn't whether Cooke intended to injure Karlsson (which i think he didn't) but rather if his play was reckless or not. Fumbling about with a knee at the back of an opponent trying to pin him and then put it down with force with no control where the blade goes. Its just asking for someone to get hurt. If this really was a standard play (as i recall TSN experts argued) then i think there would be a lot more severe injuries in this league.

If you intentionally lift your blade in close proximity to another player you better know where it goes down before you put any weight on it.
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