firestorm238 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Luongo + Raymond + Alberts for Gudbranson + Mueller + 2nd Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Luongo + Raymond + Alberts for Gudbranson + Mueller + 2nd Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 FLA Luongo 1st VAN Gudbranson 1st And now thoughts: Florida is rebuilding. They give two young players for and ageing player, a blue line tripper and a pilon. Florida says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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73 Percent Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Obviously we'd like that but I don't think there is any chance of that. Schneider's value is much higher than Lu's which isn't a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sting Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Not going to argue that Luongo is a great pressure goalie, but I will say that bleacherreport is pretty much a joke of a source to most of us in the hockey world, and if Luongo is going to be judged and dismissed as a mediocre playoff goaltender, the sum total of his performances are probably what should be judged. I would argue that he's not a notorious "choker", he's just not consistently stellar (then again, all the best have had their inconsistencies). Luongo - lifetime .919 sv % in the regular season, .916 sv% lifetime in the playoffs. Better competition - understandable very slight difference. Brodeur - lifetime .913 sv% in the regular season, .919 sv% lifetime in the playoffs. Steps his game up a bit (and played behind Scott Stevens, Scott Neidermeyer, etc), but a fairly negligible difference. Patrick Roy - lifetime .910 sv % in the regular season, .918 sv% lifetime in the playoffs. Also stepped up his game slightly in the playoffs, but again, .002 edge lifetime over Luongo, also played behind bumbs like Larry Robinson and Chris Chelios. Anyhow, two of the greatest perenial playoff goaltenders of the modern era, hold very slight advantages over Luongo, and played in the pre-cap era, for literal dynasties. I personally am in favour of keeping Schneider - I'm blinded by the youth culture and the unknown ceiling of young potential, but let's not get too carried away making light of Luongo's talent. I think people will look back upon the current era and judge players differently, simply because it's been 15 years since a Champion repeated, whereas in the 15 years from 75 -90, there were three dynasties, and then nearly a fourth in the Penguins. The Red Wings and Devils are the closest franchises in the modern era, but the Red Wings managed to repeat once, while the Devils didn't - and six of their combined seven Cups came before the salary cap era. Staying competitive is as close as it gets to dynasty in today's NHL (particularly post-cap), and the Canucks are only a few years down that path. I think when the context of these goaltenders achievements are considered, it's not such a stretch to consider Luongo a legitimate hall of fame candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 what do you think we would have to add to the lu package to make it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertuzziJr 2.0 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 what do you think we would have to add to the lu package to make it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Double post. But thanks bertuzzi jr. For answering mt question like a normal, bi-polar free human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Yeah let's add even more pieces to get rid of Luongo. You do understand that there is absolutely no logic in what you're suggesting? Unsound business decision. Luongo is more valuable to the Canucks than any returns he could garner. This is not a reflection on said player; his contract is an aircraft carrier's anchor. GET A T1D FFS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Great Post! Goalies are only as good as the team in front of them. This fact is the reason GM's will not trade pivotal pieces of there core to acquire one. Cup winning goalies recently Niemi, Ward, Giguere were not the best they stopped the shots they should have and the players did the rest. Still remember Neidermayer after winning the cup with Anaheim being asked by a reporter about how amazing Giguere had been for the playoffs. Neids somewhat annoyed by all the goalie hype responded back by saying.....Giggy made the saves we expected he would and we did the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertuzziJr 2.0 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Double post. But thanks bertuzzi jr. For answering mt question like a normal, bi-polar free human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 OT (not that it matters much apparently)-- I went through Marty Brodeur's career game logs, just for giggles. The most goals against he has had in a single game was 6. He has allowed 6 GA in a single game quite a few times, the earliest being November 26, 1993 (at St Louis--result: tie game ). 4-5 GA was not unheard of. Marty, undoubtedly a HOFer and unquestionably an elite tender, did have for many of his years the benefits of playing in a defensive system and solid d-men in front of him. Man, at the moment I wish ANY trade or movement would happen...April 3rd can't come soon enough. Edit: not a total non sequitur as previous posters were discussing Brodeur v Luongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sting Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 "Goalies are only as good as the team in front of them."... really... so MG won't trade a pivolal piece for a Goalie... but will hold out untill he is offered a pivital piece for Luongo... that makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 What makes sense is that throughout history goalies have never been traded for value along the lines of star players. Do a little research and you will understand. MG is holding out for the best deal but is also balancing a hard to trade contract, the problem of who plays backup without Lack available is a factor as well. If you think MG will be able to get a top 6 and two elite prospects you will be disappointed. Would you trade for a 34 yr old all star under contract till 42 and give away that many pieces of your team? As far as the quote. Yes having an elite goalie increases your chances..... but without good defense and timely scoring it does not matter who you have in goal. Playoffs are about match-ups. Goaltending is just one part of the equation. Case and point Flyers vs Hawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I didn't suggest anything. I didn't propose this deal. I'm just curious how far off the value is. Why are you so angry? what have I ever done to you? You need to chill the frack out man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Luongo + Raymond + Alberts for Gudbranson + Mueller + 2nd Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 mmmNo I believe it was right: FLA Schneider 1st VAN Gudbranson 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Luongo Corrado 2nd Gudbranson Raymond Schroeder 1st Foligno Brassard Sedin Sedin Burrows Booth Kesler Kassian Foligno Brassard Hansen Weise Lapierre Higgins/Vestito Hamhuis Bieksa Edler Gudbranson Garrison Tanev Alberts Barker Schneider Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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