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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:33 PM

the flames are playing the avs tonight? :lol:
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:35 PM

COL should've let him go

When they say he has to be qualified at 6.5M does that mean a cap hit of 6.5M or can they give him a front loaded offer with the first year paying 6.5 and rest decreasing based on the max allowed in the new CBA giving a lower cap hit
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

I don't know what team is elite then.
By your description of "Elite" you just described the Carolina Hurricanes.

All of their wins are outside their division and they have won a cup.

Do you see the flaw in your logic?


They were somewhat "elite" the year they won - but IMHO they were just lucky.

Agreed, they are not "elite" now.

Bruins and Hawks can be considered "elite" so far this year.

2011, the Canucks were somewhat "elite" - but not good enough - now if they had returned to the SCF the following year instead of losing in the first round - and won, then yes, I would consider them to be elite.

The Oilers in the 80's were Elite, the Islanders, the Canadians in the 70's...the Flyers for a couple of years...

Elite is a team that can repeat - repeat winning.
Yes, we won the "president's" trophy but not the ultimate prize.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:01 PM

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On Avs matching O'Reilly offer, one industry source believes it's a given they'll trade him a year from now.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

They were somewhat "elite" the year they won - but IMHO they were just lucky.

Agreed, they are not "elite" now.

Bruins and Hawks can be considered "elite" so far this year.

2011, the Canucks were somewhat "elite" - but not good enough - now if they had returned to the SCF the following year instead of losing in the first round - and won, then yes, I would consider them to be elite.

The Oilers in the 80's were Elite, the Islanders, the Canadians in the 70's...the Flyers for a couple of years...

Elite is a team that can repeat - repeat winning.
Yes, we won the "president's" trophy but not the ultimate prize.

I don't consider the Bruins elite at all. Put them in the West and they have a worse record.
They won 16 games, we won 15 games. It came down to a game 7 and they also lost in the 1st round last season.

You keep creating your own definition of "Elite".

How are the Hawks elite this year when they have lost to us in the 1st round and Phoenix in the 1st round last year.
By your latest definition that means they aren't elite, as they haven't repeated winning after 2010.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:03 PM

Pretty obvious the Avs would match.

Does anyone still think MG should have done this? :lol:
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:17 PM

I don't consider the Bruins elite at all. Put them in the West and they have a worse record.
They won 16 games, we won 15 games. It came down to a game 7 and they also lost in the 1st round last season.

You keep creating your own definition of "Elite".

How are the Hawks elite this year when they have lost to us in the 1st round and Phoenix in the 1st round last year.
By your latest definition that means they aren't elite, as they haven't repeated winning after 2010.


They haven't lost a game in regulation yet so they are the "elite" team so far.
My money is they lose in the first if not the 2nd round.

What have we done? Beat the Flames? We have only 4 wins against "playoff" teams at the moment - that is, teams that are currently in a playoff spot and 7 losses (I'm counting OT losses - cause they aren't wins).

Those "playoff teams have scored 42 goals against us out of the 52 we have let in.
We have only 32 against those teams.

We have out scored everyone else 22-10, but against other contenders, we are losing big time.

Do you see what I'm saying?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:22 PM

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On Avs matching O'Reilly offer, one industry source believes it's a given they'll trade him a year from now.


What if the trade deadline falls before this time next year and they can't trade him for a calendar year? The trade deadline has been on the Feb. 27 before.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:33 PM

They haven't lost a game in regulation yet so they are the "elite" team so far.
My money is they lose in the first if not the 2nd round.

What have we done? Beat the Flames? We have only 4 wins against "playoff" teams at the moment - that is, teams that are currently in a playoff spot and 7 losses (I'm counting OT losses - cause they aren't wins).

Those "playoff teams have scored 42 goals against us out of the 52 we have let in.
We have only 32 against those teams.

We have out scored everyone else 22-10, but against other contenders, we are losing big time.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Not at all since you are contradicting yourself.
You said teams like the Oilers in the 80's and Islanders when they were piling up cups were elite because they repeatedly won.

Well Chicago hasn't done that, so they aren't elite. But you say they are because they are winning this year.

But the Canucks have won games this season against the Ducks and are 1-0-1 vs the Chicago Blackhawks. Those are the top 2 teams in the conference and the Canucks have a winning record against them.

I'll say this again, the Canucks are elite. Just like they were last year, the year before, and the year before that.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:41 PM

Not at all since you are contradicting yourself.
You said teams like the Oilers in the 80's and Islanders when they were piling up cups were elite because they repeatedly won.

Well Chicago hasn't done that, so they aren't elite. But you say they are because they are winning this year.

But the Canucks have won games this season against the Ducks and are 1-0-1 vs the Chicago Blackhawks. Those are the top 2 teams in the conference and the Canucks have a winning record against them.

I'll say this again, the Canucks are elite. Just like they were last year, the year before, and the year before that.


Oh wow. :picard:
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:43 PM

Avs got trolled. They had to match it.

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Why isnt the Canucks doing something like this? Is MG still alive or on vacation?

We could've offersheeted Benn and erase any secondary scoring questions..

Dallas would've have matched but atleast its an attempt to make the team better, MG are you paying attention??

Still waiting on the 'bold moves' MG promised us when he was hired..

Why isnt the Canucks doing something like this? Is MG still alive or on vacation?

We could've offersheeted Benn and erase any secondary scoring questions..

Dallas would've have matched but atleast its an attempt to make the team better, MG are you paying attention??

Still waiting on the 'bold moves' MG promised us when he was hired..


lol..... ever heard of cap space?

And I hope you do realize that throwing offersheets at everyone very quickly sours relationships between GMs. I'm not sure you understand anything about what a general manager does.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

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#Flames statement claims they tried to acquire O'Reilly via trade but Avs asking price was too steep.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

Oh wow. :picard:

Have nothing smart to add? Case closed. ;)
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:05 PM

Avs got trolled. They had to match it.

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lol..... ever heard of cap space?

And I hope you do realize that throwing offersheets at everyone very quickly sours relationships between GMs. I'm not sure you understand anything about what a general manager does.

Gillis doesn't have an issue giving out offer sheets... remember backes?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

Have nothing smart to add? Case closed. ;)


Just doing what you did.

Anyone who thinks the Canucks have been an elite team the last 3 years and this one needs to go see a specialist...either that or they are just a bandwagon fan who doesn't know any different.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

Just doing what you did.

Anyone who thinks the Canucks have been an elite team the last 3 years and this one needs to go see a specialist...either that or they are just a bandwagon fan who doesn't know any different.

Reality check will come when the divisions change. Maybe that will force them to change.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:27 PM

Reality check will come when the divisions change. Maybe that will force them to change.


Yes - I'm looking forward to the realignment.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

Yes - I'm looking forward to the realignment.

i like it too. i just don't like the playoff format.

i have a feeling bad days are ahead before good though
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

i like it too. i just don't like the playoff format.

i have a feeling bad days are ahead before good though


Same - shouldn't be "division" round 1 - should be the same as now, conference 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, etc...
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:08 PM

What if the trade deadline falls before this time next year and they can't trade him for a calendar year? The trade deadline has been on the Feb. 27 before.

Yup, already touched on that earlier. I didn't look up past trade deadlines, but feel like finding out if any were after very early March? Will the Avs even be able to trade him until the summer of 2014?

This is easy for Colorado - Sign him, then trade him 1 year later.

If O'Reilly has any kind of production a team will snap him up like that. 5 mill isn't what it used to be.

Not only is it potentially a year and a half later, so that the Avs might have to qualify him to keep his rights going into the summer, but they'll have to do it at $6.5M. That's what his cap hit will be unless they front load it, and who knows if O'Reilly would accept that.

Would he be easy to trade at moderate or worse production when his cap hit is $6.5M?

EDIT: I looked it up for previous trade deadlines.
  • 2011/12: Feb 27
  • 2010/11: Feb 28
  • 2009/10: Mar 3
  • 2008/09: Mar 4
  • 2007/08: Feb 26
  • 2006/07: Feb 27
  • 2005/06: Mar 9
So the Avs matched same day, probably prepared that the deadline would be at or around this day in 2014. If they matched right away, then they might be able to trade him at the deadline next year and let someone else worry about him if it doesn't work out.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:41 PM

honestly, I don't see the Aves trading him in a year. Its gonna be a 6.5 million paycheck, a qualifying offer on the 6.5 million contract year, with the cap on the decline, I think there will be less teams able and willing to do the trade, and the Aves are still gonna look for the deal that's not out there. I think the Flames may have Luongo'd the Aves
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:22 AM

Entertaining thread.
Not sure if the funniest parts are "why doesn't MG make bold moves like this?" (uh, capspace is why) - or the fact that Feaster just keeps on keeping on being the dumbest GM in the NHL.
Yeah, yeah, O'Reilly is sliced bread and all that - but seriously - throwing 6.5 million at youngsters who have three seasons in the NHL and just hit the 100 point mark. Asinine. This kid has earned a bigger cap hit than the Sedins?
Folks here are whining about MG? Wow.

The most ridiculous part of all of this - yes it gets even more ridiculous - is that Murray Edwards was apparently one of the hardliners in the CBA negotiations.
Calgary just trumped the Wild in terms of dumbass contradictions.

Edit: apparently there was an even more ridiculous aspect - he may have been subject to waivers LOL!

Edited by oldnews, 01 March 2013 - 12:28 PM.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

So how stupid does Calgary look now? Turns out because he played in Russia, if they Av's let him go, O'Reilly would have to clear waivers, where you know someone would have picked him up. So the Flames would have thrown away 2 draft picks for nothing!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417108

Good thing the Canucks didn't make an offer sheet huh?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:02 PM

So how stupid does Calgary look now? Turns out because he played in Russia, if they Av's let him go, O'Reilly would have to clear waivers, where you know someone would have picked him up. So the Flames would have thrown away 2 draft picks for nothing!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417108

Good thing the Canucks didn't make an offer sheet huh?

Wow!? Imagine losing O'Reilly and potentially Seth Jones the same day because Your GM (Feaster) doesn't understand the new CBA. This would have been a blunder for the ages. Feaster is extremely lucky that the Avs decided to match. And with a team as bad as the Flames, and a potential shot at Seth Jones in play, deciding to match must have been a difficult decision for Colorado.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:06 PM

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:10 PM

Entertaining thread.
Not sure if the funniest parts are "why doesn't MG make bold moves like this?" (uh, capspace is why) - or the fact that Feaster just keeps on keeping on being the dumbest GM in the NHL.
Yeah, yeah, O'Reilly is sliced bread and all that - but seriously - throwing 6.5 million at youngsters who have three seasons in the NHL and just hit the 100 point mark. Asinine. This kid has earned a bigger cap hit than the Sedins?
Folks here are whining about MG? Wow.

The most ridiculous part of all of this - yes it gets even more ridiculous - is that Murray Edwards was apparently one of the hardliners in the CBA negotiations.
Calgary just trumped the Wild in terms of dumbass contradictions.


Well... Sedin signed a huge discount with Vancouver.... can't really compare with Sedins... but I agree that contract is overpayment.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

The Flames :picard:
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:25 PM

I laughed so hard when I heard the Avs matched it. Hahahaha, beautiful.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:30 PM

Entertaining thread.
Not sure if the funniest parts are "why doesn't MG make bold moves like this?" (uh, capspace is why) - or the fact that Feaster just keeps on keeping on being the dumbest GM in the NHL.
Yeah, yeah, O'Reilly is sliced bread and all that - but seriously - throwing 6.5 million at youngsters who have three seasons in the NHL and just hit the 100 point mark. Asinine. This kid has earned a bigger cap hit than the Sedins?
Folks here are whining about MG? Wow.

The most ridiculous part of all of this - yes it gets even more ridiculous - is that Murray Edwards was apparently one of the hardliners in the CBA negotiations.
Calgary just trumped the Wild in terms of dumbass contradictions.

Edit: apparently there was an even more ridiculous aspect - he may have been subject to waivers LOL!


2 things. 1) His cap hit isnt 6.5M, its lower. and 2) It was an offer sheet. The point of it is to get the other team NOT to match
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

2 things. 1) His cap hit isnt 6.5M, its lower. and 2) It was an offer sheet. The point of it is to get the other team NOT to match


Is that right?
What is unclear is how the NHL deals with the aspect that the 3.5 he he was offered this year (1 + 2.5 sb) is for a 29 game season? Regardless, is the $6.5 million not is the salary that will have to be qualified (that is what has been reported), so this offersheet locked into a $6.5 million dollar cap hit - and/or another battle when he reaches RFA status next year.
The point of getting the other team NOT to match obviously means paying a LOT more than the player is worth and persuading the team to accept picks as compensation - and who is more likely to step up with a gross overpayment than Feaster and the Flames?

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