[Proposal] Upgrading the D; trades with Buffalo and the Isles

[Guest]

Ok, this is the first time I've actually started a post. If you have some good criticism for this, blast away!

Trade #1:

To Buffalo: Edler

To Van: Cody Franson + 5th round

Reasoning: Edler, here, is a 1-2 Dman. I believe he is not quite cast correctly for this, and tries to do too much. This gets him into all kinds of trouble, and Tanev can't always be there to bail him out. So...he and his $5M cap hit go to Buffalo. They have a LOT of cap space to absorb this hit. There, Edler will likely be the #3 Dman, #2 at best, and  resurrect his career. For us, Franson gives us a massive Dman (though, yes, he doesn't always play to his actual size), and he does what he needs to do without running (skating) around like a chicken with his head cut off. His cap hit is quite a bit lower...$3.325M. A nice chunk of change. Neither one is signed extremely long term; Franson has this year and next, Edler has one more after that. Pre-season, I remember most people were just about begging to get Franson here. Problem solved. And with only one year after this, and a lower cap hit, he comes off the books just in time for one or both of Pedan &/or Tryamkin to make their appearance, if he doesn't work out well. The 5th round pick is basically a throw-in.

Trade #2:

To NYI: Bartkowski, Jensen and Sautner

To Van: Hamonic

Trickier trade, and yes, somewhat less likely to happen. But...it's well known that Hamonic wants out. It's also fairly well known that his asking price is an NHL caliber Dman in return. Bart may not be (alright, isn't) a top flight Dman, but he does come at a reasonable price, can skate pretty well and keep up with that stable of fast forwards in NY, and could be considered almost a rental, enabling NYI to chase a big money Dman in the offseason. The cap numbers, along with the caliber of player, would dictate a little more in return. So...Jensen is a big-bodied, fast forward that in all honesty has been passed up here, and has basically no chance of ever making the team; he gets a fresh start. Sautner gets included to: equal out the cap hit some (Hamonic = $3.857M, Bart + Jensen + Sautner = $3.288M) and gives NYI a young prospect to develop on D. We get an established Dman, younger, capable of playing in the #1-2 slot alongside Tanev, and a fresh start for him.

So, with this, we have a D that looks like:

Hamonic - Tanev

Hutton - Sbisa

Biega - Franson

Pedan

I don't see a weak pairing in any of these, though I may (likely do) have someone playing off-hand. And before you ask, yes Weber goes somewhere at the deadline. Yes, Hamhuis goes somewhere at the deadline. Those moves have been discussed, ad nauseum, in countless other posts, I'm not going to rehash that. Point is, without getting 2 quality Dmen for next year, we end up with a very top heavy, inexperienced D that keeps Edler playing fast, loose and lousy, and wears out Tanev trying to cover, along with not correctly developing Hutton (and honestly, Sbisa also). Lastly, we gain $1.106M in cap space, to add to the $5.8 we have; never mind what we gain if the expected moves actually do happen.

Ok, comments? Flames? Rocket launchers?

(All cap numbers from Hockey Buzz.com)

 

[thejazz97]

We get wrecked in #1 and NYI gets destroyed in #2...

[oldnews]

Oh my.  

That first proposal will get you flamed.   Franson is extremely, extremely overvalued in that proposal.

The second is wishful thinking.  Hamonic would take a serious primary asset to acquire.

But welcome to CDC.  It's all (supposed to be) in good fun.

[Guest]

I originally, when working it out on paper, actually had the whole thing reversed (Edler to the Isles and Bartkowski, et al, to the Sabres). Alright, taking your opinions into account, I see it.

So, reverse it?

[hatedkid666]

Edler >>> Franson

Hamonic>>>>>>bart, jensen, sautner

[CanuckMan10]

Lol we could have signed franson for nothing a couple months ago but instead let's just trade our #1 d man

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, CanuckMan10 said:

Lol we could have signed franson for nothing a couple months ago but instead let's just trade our #1 d man

Yep, we sure could have.

So, I changed it up a little bit. Maybe look at the somewhat changed proposal?

[smithers joe]

we have biega, sbisa and pedan who can play physical defense...hutton and tanev -playing steady defense...we need an offensive number one qb to tie the defense together....for me that is shattenkirk.....i can't see st.louis trading him but there is several sources talking that he could be dealt....

[Alflives]

35 minutes ago, thejazz97 said:

We get wrecked in #1 and NYI gets destroyed in #2...

Screw the Islanders!  Send them Hansen for Hamonic.

[-SN-]

I cut you some slack because it was your first thread by please insert a tag (Proposal, Discussion etc) next time  .

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, StealthNuck said:

I cut you some slack because it was your first thread by please insert a tag (Proposal, Discussion etc) next time  .

Gotcha!

[DownUndaCanuck]

Should have signed Franson instead of Bartkowski all along. Mistake by Benning, Bartkowski is a good skater but brings very little offence. Could have used that big RHD and PP specialist.

Now that we've got this mess of a defence that we have, we need to move pieces surely. Nashville moves a point of power in defence to get a point of weakness in center and vice versa for CBJ, which is something we need to do.

We've got lots of great young wingers in Baertschi, Virtanen, Shinkaruk, Gaunce and Boeser to name a few. We've got no good young defencemen apart from Hutton and who knows how Subban will go in the NHL physically.

 

TO ANA: Shinkaruk + late pick (3rd/4th)

TO VAN: Shea Theodore

This guy's the real deal, he's getting some time in Anaheim now with injuries on the blueline and he's shining. I wanted him before he got a sniff in the NHL because I knew he'd be a stud, now Anaheim might consider keeping him so we've got to get him early or Fowler/Lindholm may end up on the trading block instead.

 

Then at the TD we ideally trade for Hamonic.

TO NYI: Hamhuis + Vbrata + Pedan + 2nd

TO VAN: Hamonic + 4th or 5th

 

Edler - Hamonic

Hutton - Tanev

Theodore - Sbisa

Biega

Bartowski

 

In the off season if we sign Yandle or Goligoski we're suddenly a contender, but that defence up there gets better with age.

[Green Goblin]

LMAO. We could have acquired Franson for nothing but cap space, but we didn't. The first deal is crazy.

Second deal could happen only if NYI was desperate. Desperate like Hamonic will not report or else... so they'd have to trade him for whatever they can get.

You need to do a lot more research on player trade values.

[Lockhart]

We need to trade away some assets and then re-assess the situation in the summer

Out-

Hamhuis = 2nd or 3rd round pick because he hasn't been good lately and will be coming off injury 

Vrbata = 1st round pick

Prust, brings some toughness for the playoffs = 3rd round pick, trying to salvage this trade

Burrows (retain cap) would be useful on a 3rd or 4th line of a good team, one of my favourite players but we need to make room = 2nd or 3rd round pick and take an expiring contract back.

Higgins, 4th line player that could play on the 3rd line = 3rd round pick

Then hopefully lose 80% of the games after the deadline and get Mathews or bare minimum a top 5 pick.

[tyhee]

5 hours ago, arcanuck said:

5 hours ago, arcanuck said:

I originally, when working it out on paper, actually had the whole thing reversed (Edler to the Isles and Bartkowski, et al, to the Sabres). Alright, taking your opinions into account, I see it.

So, reverse it?

 

1.  I would do Edler for Hamonic because of the age and salary differences.   I'm not sure the the management for either team would like it.-the

2.  Your package of Bart, Jensen and Sautner has nothing the Sabres would really want.  I can't imagine they'd do this.

There should be some asset of some value, rather than just a bunch of players with very little trade value.

Also, right now the Canucks are unlikely to be able to fit Franson under the cap for this year-they don't presently have room for the difference between Bart and Franson.

 

[coastal.view]

man 7 hours later and the isles are still laughing at the proposal for hamonic

get real

[Guest]

4 hours ago, tyhee said:

1.  I would do Edler for Hamonic because of the age and salary differences.   I'm not sure the the management for either team would like it.-the

2.  Your package of Bart, Jensen and Sautner has nothing the Sabres would really want.  I can't imagine they'd do this.

There should be some asset of some value, rather than just a bunch of players with very little trade value.

Also, right now the Canucks are unlikely to be able to fit Franson under the cap for this year-they don't presently have room for the difference between Bart and Franson.

 

Hey, thanks for actually reading the whole post, instead of flaming the first thing you read and ignoring the  remainder of the topic. As far as the cap goes, that package was put together to attempt to clear cap to fit Franson in; yes we don't really have the room if it is just the difference between Bart and Franson

[Monty]

Trade #1 - Same sentiment as everyone else here.

Trade #2 - Wow. If that's all it took, then the Jets trade Mark Stuart and Jan Kostalek for Hamonic. However, the Isles aren't stupid, so not only would they not accept the Jets offer, they would laugh hard at the Canucks offer.

[CALGARY!]

Trade #1 Vancouver gets raped, Trade #2 NYI gets raped.  Very lopsided deals. 

[Noble 6]

These are the three ways I would be looking to improve our team/organization at the deadline:

 

1) VAN-NYI

To NYI:

Hamhuis (30% retained)

Sbisa

Higgins

2nd Round Pick 2016

4th Round Pick 2016

 

To VAN:

Hamonic

 

Bringing Hamonic over would help our D-core now and in the future. He would be the perfect partner for either Edler or Hutton. He can play top minutes and is right-handed. I'm not sure if this package would do, some things might have to be changed around. We lose both Hamhuis and Sbisa, but getting a #1/#2 defenseman like Hamonic would be worth it. Our top-4 would be Edler, Hamonic, Tanev and Hutton. That's pretty good. We have plenty of depth between Bartkowski, Weber, Biega and Pedan for the bottom 2 spots.

 

2) VAN-COL

 

To COL:

Hamhuis (40% retained)

Sbisa

Gaunce

2nd Round Pick 2016

4th Round Pick 2016

 

To VAN:

Barrie

 

Almost the exact same package, just for Barrie. Barrie is one of the most underrated defenseman in the league. He can put up points. His size won't be an issue if we pair him with Edler. That would leave Edler in a supporting role as well, which would probably be better for him. Again, our top-4 would be Edler, Barrie, Tanev and Hutton. That is also very good. Again, Bartkowski, Biega, Weber and Pedan can all battle for the bottom 2 spots.

 

3) VAN - Anybody

 

To OTT/FLA/NSH:

Vrbata

2nd Round Pick 2016

 

To VAN:

1sr Round Pick 2016

 

To NSH/OTT/NYI:

Hamhuis

3rd Round Pick 2016

 

To VAN:

1st Round Pick 2016

 

This would leave us with 3 picks in the 1st Round at the Draft. From there we could make three selections, move two picks and make two higher selections, or try and package the picks plus more to move much higher and get one very high pick. All of these choices would be good. We would not be in any position to lose whatsoever come Draft day.

 

If any one of these deal(s) went through, it would be a great day for our team. We would get Hamonic, Barrie or a couple of 1sts. Even if we only get one 1st it will be a good day. Hopefully Benning can at least do something at the deadline.