Alflives Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 9 hours ago, riffraff said: What history? room was made for virt an McCann in the same year. To sell tickets, yes room was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn2 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 9/1/2017 at 6:16 PM, Alflives said: Benning already said if a kid is ready and earns a spot, he will make the needed moves to create that spot. My guess is, JB doesn't think any of our kids (at forward) are truly ready, or he wouldn't have signed so many UFAs. Because of the greening of the NHL (money and development/quality of available players cause this) there are a lot of good UFAs available. There are just a lot of good older players available generally. Obviously, there are also a lot of good young players coming up too. A classic bottleneck. This is the dilemma for the Canucks, or at least the set of choices. Young players are fitter and a better fit now than ever before. But they have to be good enough. Vrbata in his first year here was terrific, albeit he had mostly a shooter's role with the Sedins and scored a lot of goals on the pp. Nevertheless, this is the kind of player you can find, as was Miller. As long as the Canucks are well below the salary cap, they can hardly be faulted for getting top notch UFAs. The issue is development of players. I for one am not qualifed to gauge whether full time in Utica on a good team is better for most/all young players than is a WD-style integration of young players. It was certainly good for the fan base to see some youth in Hutton, Stecher, Tryamkin, Horvat, Baer, Grandlund, as well as Boeser at the end of last year. Are UFA signings ever a drag on team building due to limiting the icetime of developing players? Not sure, maybe. It certainly is bad to TRADE FOR older players/UFAs if you are unlikely to be making the playoffs, or are trying to build from within. So far, Benning/Linden haven't done this very much. My HOPE is that Boeser and Virtanen make the team in the Fall, and that Juolevi and another prospect make the team by Christmas. A trade would be an even better idea if 4 young players make the team by Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, gameburn2 said: Because of the greening of the NHL (money and development/quality of available players cause this) there are a lot of good UFAs available. There are just a lot of good older players available generally. Obviously, there are also a lot of good young players coming up too. A classic bottleneck. This is the dilemma for the Canucks, or at least the set of choices. Young players are fitter and a better fit now than ever before. But they have to be good enough. Vrbata in his first year here was terrific, albeit he had mostly a shooter's role with the Sedins and scored a lot of goals on the pp. Nevertheless, this is the kind of player you can find, as was Miller. As long as the Canucks are well below the salary cap, they can hardly be faulted for getting top notch UFAs. The issue is development of players. I for one am not qualifed to gauge whether full time in Utica on a good team is better for most/all young players than is a WD-style integration of young players. It was certainly good for the fan base to see some youth in Hutton, Stecher, Tryamkin, Horvat, Baer, Grandlund, as well as Boeser at the end of last year. Are UFA signings ever a drag on team building due to limiting the icetime of developing players? Not sure, maybe. It certainly is bad to TRADE FOR older players/UFAs if you are unlikely to be making the playoffs, or are trying to build from within. So far, Benning/Linden haven't done this very much. My HOPE is that Boeser and Virtanen make the team in the Fall, and that Juolevi and another prospect make the team by Christmas. A trade would be an even better idea if 4 young players make the team by Christmas. Benning is on the new station (650) this morning. He says there are two spots at forward available for young players. He also said that if a young guy earns a spot, he will do what it takes to make a spot available for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 22 minutes ago, Alflives said: Benning is on the new station (650) this morning. He says there are two spots at forward available for young players. He also said that if a young guy earns a spot, he will do what it takes to make a spot available for him. I'm not finding a Benning interview on their website. Got a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: I'm not finding a Benning interview on their website. Got a link? I'm listening on the old fashioned radio. No link to that:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Alflives said: Benning is on the new station (650) this morning. He says there are two spots at forward available for young players. He also said that if a young guy earns a spot, he will do what it takes to make a spot available for him. Sedins , LE , Sutter , Vanek , Bo ,Baer , Granlund , Gagner , Dorsette, Gaunce. This would be my 11 forwards who are fixed. Who will be the two young players. Boucher , Rodin , Chaput , Megna , Burmistrov will all be AHL depth or will get used if the kids don't earn a spot. Boeser , Goldobin , Virtanen and Dahlen will fight for one of the two spots. That's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: I'm listening on the old fashioned radio. No link to that:( maybe it's just not up yet. thanks for the heads up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, appleboy said: Sedins , LE , Sutter , Vanek , Bo ,Baer , Granlund , Gagner , Dorsette, Gaunce. This would be my 11 forwards who are fixed. Who will be the two young players. Boucher , Rodin , Chaput , Megna , Burmistrov will all be AHL depth or will get used if the kids don't earn a spot. Boeser , Goldobin , Virtanen and Dahlen will fight for one of the two spots. That's how I see it. Maybe JB sees Gaunce as not able to fill a spot yet, due to injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Crabcakes said: maybe it's just not up yet. thanks for the heads up Apparently if you download the sportsnet app and select the radio option it is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, appleboy said: Sedins , LE , Sutter , Vanek , Bo ,Baer , Granlund , Gagner , Dorsette, Gaunce. This would be my 11 forwards who are fixed. Who will be the two young players. Boucher , Rodin , Chaput , Megna , Burmistrov will all be AHL depth or will get used if the kids don't earn a spot. Boeser , Goldobin , Virtanen and Dahlen will fight for one of the two spots. That's how I see it. I'd still call Gaunce a young player. He does so much well except score. I think this makes him vulnerable. I still think he makes the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Maybe JB sees Gaunce as not able to fill a spot yet, due to injury? Dorsett had two vertebrae in his neck fused. He should probably take the safe road and retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Maybe JB sees Gaunce as not able to fill a spot yet, due to injury? So Gaunce and Dorsette have question marks and that leaves 4 spots. Team 1040 is trying to make it look like there is no room for the kids. That's pure BS. A lot of the 18 forwards who have one way deals are AHL bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Salacious Crumb said: Dorsett had two vertebrae in his neck fused. He should probably take the safe road and retire. That makes at minimum two spots in the forwards. Boeser gets one, leaving one more for a bottom six banger. Jake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: Benning is on the new station (650) this morning. He says there are two spots at forward available for young players. He also said that if a young guy earns a spot, he will do what it takes to make a spot available for him. So 10 spots taken by regulars, Sedin, Sedin, Granny, Horvat, Baer, Eriksson, Vanek, Sutter, Dorsett, Gagne. Burmistrov should be 11 as he was and still is slated for 4th line center Rodin should be 12 if he does anything like last preseason. If he's healthy he could easily land in the top 9 and get PP time. Assuming we carry 14F and 7D, this leaves Boeser and Gaunce for those "young" spots. Makes sense if Benning is talking spots Chaput / Megna and Boucher are worth the risk of waivers as they are a known entity now and wouldnt be a big loss with our depth. Virtanen would have to be lights out to make the team considering he was just finding his game in Utica, so expect him to be sent down. Goldy is the odd man out here as he has proven completely what he can do in the AHL, so if we keep all forwards he could be traded for a young D or sent down as a 1st call up. If Dorsett and Rodin are not ready or are injured early (good possibility) then Goldy gets called up to replace Rodin, and Chaput gets the call up to replace Dorsett unless they feel Virtanen is ready to go and brings that extra grit needed. Just let the games begin already... going through off season withdrawal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, appleboy said: So Gaunce and Dorsette have question marks and that leaves 4 spots. Team 1040 is trying to make it look like there is no room for the kids. That's pure BS. A lot of the 18 forwards who have one way deals are AHL bound. 1040 will be totally negative Nellies now about the Canucks. Hearing 650 has Daniel on around 2 this afternoon, and Sam Gagner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: 1040 will be totally negative Nellies now about the Canucks. Hearing 650 has Daniel on around 2 this afternoon, and Sam Gagner too. Nice. I like what I here so far. I want them to call it like it is. Team 1040 have been going out of their way to create controversy. We really only have 11 NHL forwards and two of them have health issues. So there is tons of space for the kids. Boeser will make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, Salacious Crumb said: Dorsett had two vertebrae in his neck fused. He should probably take the safe road and retire. He told Batchelor that he's ready to go and can't wait to get to camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Not too worried, which prospects makes the forward lines this season, as long as the prospects don't spend the season as 13th or 14th man, for more than a few games at the time. They need to play... a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 33 minutes ago, appleboy said: Sedins , LE , Sutter , Vanek , Bo ,Baer , Granlund , Gagner , Dorsette, Gaunce. This would be my 11 forwards who are fixed. Who will be the two young players. Boucher , Rodin , Chaput , Megna , Burmistrov will all be AHL depth or will get used if the kids don't earn a spot. Boeser , Goldobin , Virtanen and Dahlen will fight for one of the two spots. That's how I see it. I see it the way you do except gaunce to me is in the same convo as Boucher, Burmy, rodin etc. He had an awful season last year so he's on the outside looking in. I see him going head to head with burmy for the 13th forward spot. Sedin-sedin-vanek baertschi-horvat-boeser Eriksson-sutter-gagner dorsett-granlund-virtanen burmy/gaunce boeser is almost a lock unless he has an atrocious camp. Virtanen can play that bottom six role while goldy and dahlen can't so that gives him an edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: To sell tickets, yes room was made. Is that not the point? but let's be fair here. At that time of the season those two legit earned their spots. certainly theyhave faded since, but if JB was to be true to his word he had to roster them based on their pre season showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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