Alex the Great Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 "@WojYahooNBA: Sacramento will send John Salmons, Vasquez, Patterson and Hayes to the Raptors, sources tell Yahoo Sports." "@WojYahooNBA: Along with Rudy Gay, Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray will be traded to the Kings too, league sources tell Yahoo Sports." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vv2 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Step in the right direction for the Raps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 This. They'll attempt to move Lowry/Amir now. They've got good role players/fillers. Just no superstars. I believe JV is an efficient C, and that Derozan can be coached into a consistent 21-4-5 guy or so. Vazquez can do what Calderon did, but also same defensive problems. Patterson is okay, but IMO he's not the right fit under Casey. Raptors need a top six pick. That's where the franchise guys are. Parker, Wiggins, Exum, Smart, Randle, Embiid.. pls rapsplspslslspslsplspl ALSO DIDN'T I CALL MIKE BROWN FAILURE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bassi13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 This is a disgusting trade. As a fan, this absolutely disgusts me. Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 This is a disgusting trade. As a fan, this absolutely disgusts me. Awful. How? We shed Rudy Brick's contract who didn't fit in this team at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Why Raptors why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Looks like the Raptors are officially tanking for Wiggins. Figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bassi13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 How? We shed Rudy Brick's contract who didn't fit in this team at all. When your response to a sputtering start to the season is to trade your star player for a series of scrubs that don't nearly match in skill or value, that's awful. If the idea is to just tank, that is what disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 When your response to a sputtering start to the season is to trade your star player for a series of scrubs that don't nearly match in skill or value, that's awful. If the idea is to just tank, that is what disgusts me. Wiggins is supposed to be the next LeBron and has stated that he wants to play for Toronto. Don't agree with the trade in the slightest, but seems like a lot of fans on Twitter are happy that Gay is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bassi13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Wiggins is supposed to be the next LeBron and has stated that he wants to play for Toronto. Don't agree with the trade in the slightest, but seems like a lot of fans on Twitter are happy that Gay is gone. Yeah, fans that have been calling far a tank since before the season had even started were happy that the trade was made. I'm aware of who Wiggins is, and that that the draft class has some great talents at the top. But tanking is what bothers me. A team giving up, and playing to lose? Going into games with an intentional competitive disadvantage? They dumped a lot of cap, but they don't have the intention of filling it with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Yeah, fans that have been calling far a tank since before the season had even started were happy that the trade was made. I'm aware of who Wiggins is, and that that the draft class has some great talents at the top. But tanking is what bothers me. A team giving up, and playing to lose? Going into games with an intentional competitive disadvantage? They dumped a lot of cap, but they don't have the intention of filling it with anything. For a team as desperate as the Raptors, I can't say I'm surprised. They're in need of a franchise player, they haven't had one since Vince Carter or Chris Bosh. Picking in the lottery in this year's draft would ensure a player they can build around. It's sad, but they don't have many options. Aside from Gay and Lowry, they don't have much trade bait and it's not like Toronto is a FA destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bassi13 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 For a team as desperate as the Raptors, I can't say I'm surprised. They're in need of a franchise player, they haven't had one since Vince Carter or Chris Bosh. Picking in the lottery in this year's draft would ensure a player they can build around. It's sad, but they don't have many options. Aside from Gay and Lowry, they don't have much trade bait and it's not like Toronto is a FA destination. Throwing a season to do so this is what bothers me. Tanking by way of throwing away your players is low. It's not easy to build a team in Toronto is not easy. Intentionally stunted them so they fail is not okay though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I like this trade that the Raptors made... for the Kings. They are some very good player this year in the draft outside Parker, Randle, and Wiggins. There is the 7 foot center on Kansas who is an athletic freak. Marcus Smart who is a beast point guard with great size and power coupled with athleticism. Then there is Aaron Gordon who basically could be the next Blake Griffin. Lot of talent this year. You want to get a top 5 pick if you are not making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I like this trade that the Raptors made... for the Kings. They are some very good player this year in the draft outside Parker, Randle, and Wiggins. There is the 7 foot center on Kansas who is an athletic freak. Marcus Smart who is a beast point guard with great size and power coupled with athleticism. Then there is Aaron Gordon who basically could be the next Blake Griffin. Lot of talent this year. You want to get a top 5 pick if you are not making the playoffs. Top six-seven is where you want to land in this draft. lmfao @ people who think Gay is a star player. With the shot totals he has every night, he should be averaging 25 points per game. But he continues to brick and get 18 or so. Derozan is shooting something like .75-.100 better than him and averaging more points. Gay did not help this team at all. You guys are utterly stupid if you think he had value to get something much much better than what Ujiri brought in. The team had no chemistry with him. All he did was come off of screens and chuck up a shot. He's a chucker, and that's it. He can't put the ball on the ground against a good team. NOT TO MENTION HE HAS THE SECOND WORST CONTRACT IN THE NBA BEHIND STOUDEMIRE. He's a top ten SF, but he's not worth 19 million + the fact he's going to make more than that next season lol.. I can't believe you guys seriously think Gay is a star player in the NBA. He's a chucker, a ball hog, and he won't win you a championship if he's one of your two main centerpieces. It's best for this team to let Lowry/Vazquez help facilitate this offense. Feed Valenciunas so he can continue to improve. He's already very, very efficient. Let Derozan become a consistent 20 5 5 guy or something, and see where you go from there. LOL you guys must not watch basketball if you think people want his contract. It's like trading Luongo - except worse. Luongo's maybe a top ten goalie in the NHL. Got a horrible contract, and no one wants it except for dumps and maybe one piece. Like I said, except worse. rudy gay sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil B From The Pack Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Honestly, if the Raptors were gonna tank like some people here think they are after the trade, they would've kept Gay. He's a top ten SF, but he's not worth 19 million + the fact he's going to make more than that next season lol.. Earns $19M next season, earning $17M this season. But I agree he isn't worth that much at all. NOT TO MENTION HE HAS THE SECOND WORST CONTRACT IN THE NBA BEHIND STOUDEMIRE. Joe Johnson says hi rudy gay sucks Now now. He is overrated, but saying he sucks? That is a tad bit excessive don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Honestly, if the Raptors were gonna tank like some people here think they are after the trade, they would've kept Gay. Earns $19M next season, earning $17M this season. But I agree he isn't worth that much at all. Joe Johnson says hi Now now. He is overrated, but saying he sucks? That is a tad bit excessive don't you think? Meh, I'd rather have Joe Johnson because he's slightly more efficient but both are horrible contracts. Last part was definitely excessive. It was mostly out of annoyance due to the posts implying he's a star. Offsetting huh? At the highest, Gay is deserving of 12m - (Batum makes 11.something IIRC, and he's so much more efficient) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Top six-seven is where you want to land in this draft. lmfao @ people who think Gay is a star player. With the shot totals he has every night, he should be averaging 25 points per game. But he continues to brick and get 18 or so. Derozan is shooting something like .75-.100 better than him and averaging more points. Gay did not help this team at all. You guys are utterly stupid if you think he had value to get something much much better than what Ujiri brought in. The team had no chemistry with him. All he did was come off of screens and chuck up a shot. He's a chucker, and that's it. He can't put the ball on the ground against a good team. NOT TO MENTION HE HAS THE SECOND WORST CONTRACT IN THE NBA BEHIND STOUDEMIRE. He's a top ten SF, but he's not worth 19 million + the fact he's going to make more than that next season lol.. I can't believe you guys seriously think Gay is a star player in the NBA. He's a chucker, a ball hog, and he won't win you a championship if he's one of your two main centerpieces. It's best for this team to let Lowry/Vazquez help facilitate this offense. Feed Valenciunas so he can continue to improve. He's already very, very efficient. Let Derozan become a consistent 20 5 5 guy or something, and see where you go from there. LOL you guys must not watch basketball if you think people want his contract. It's like trading Luongo - except worse. Luongo's maybe a top ten goalie in the NHL. Got a horrible contract, and no one wants it except for dumps and maybe one piece. Like I said, except worse. rudy gay sucks The Raptors are clearly trying to clear salary to tank. This was a good move to get rid of the contract and they got a couple of decent pieces back in Vasquez a good playmaking pg with some size and Patterson who is a solid PF. The question know is will Lowry or Vasquez be the starting PG and who are the starting 5 then? C Valciunas PF Johnson SF DeRozan SG Ross PG Lowry 2nd unit C Hansbrough PF Patterson SF Fields SG Salmons PG Vasquez I still think Gay will do well in Sacramento with Cousins and Thomas. C Cousins PF Williams SF Gay SG McLemore PG Thomas That is an exciting lineup that should start getting some wins with the addition of Gay to join with the recently acquired Derrick Williams from the Timber wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vv2 Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Looks like the Raptors are officially tanking for Wiggins. Figures. Rudy Gay hurt the team with his FG%, and now we can finally see guys like JV and Ross develope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Apparently Boogie Cousins is one of the worst teammates in the NBA. I don't think Gay will help that team much - I think it relies on Mclemore becoming a 20-5-5 guy at least, as well as one of Thomas/Williams developing into better players. Boogie will be a good player once he can remove his stupidity in regards to his decision to take 18 footers lol. Meh, don't believe in the Kings within the next 2-3 seasons. If they add a guy during free agency i.e. Melo, then it changes everything. Cousins - Williams - Melo - Mclemore - Thomas could be interesting.. I wouldn't be shocked if they went with a LOT of two guard game. I think they'll play Greivis with Valenciunas, and when they have to play small ball, they'll use Lowry more. I see them both getting 25+ minutes a game if everything works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Rudy Gay hurt the team with his FG%, and now we can finally see guys like JV and Ross develope. Gay was inconsistent and terrible defensively, but he was one of Toronto's best players most nights. That's saying something. Trading him away isn't going to help the team at all. It's not like he was taking much time away from Valanciunas and Ross, but yes the younger players will likely be seeing more court time now that they're tanking. Apparently Boogie Cousins is one of the worst teammates in the NBA. I don't think Gay will help that team much - I think it relies on Mclemore becoming a 20-5-5 guy at least, as well as one of Thomas/Williams developing into better players. Boogie will be a good player once he can remove his stupidity in regards to his decision to take 18 footers lol. Meh, don't believe in the Kings within the next 2-3 seasons. If they add a guy during free agency i.e. Melo, then it changes everything. Cousins - Williams - Melo - Mclemore - Thomas could be interesting.. I wouldn't be shocked if they went with a LOT of two guard game. I think they'll play Greivis with Valenciunas, and when they have to play small ball, they'll use Lowry more. I see them both getting 25+ minutes a game if everything works out. There's no way Melo is going to Sac lol. He wants to win a championship, Sacramento isn't the place for that. He'll likely be going to LA. Even with the addition of Melo, I doubt Sac makes the playoffs in the West. But yeah, I agree that Gay isn't really going to help them at all. Williams is looking like a bust but can hopefully be a decent role player for them. Isiah is good, but he needs to learn how to play more effectively with his size. Cousins will be a good player when he matures and not to be a bigoted baby. Until then, the Kings will continue to be a mediocre team that can't attract big name FAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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