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Guys,

I'm no math whiz, but I think the issue depends on whether you assume a repeating decimal as an approximated representation or as an equal representation of the fraction in question. The convention is that we take it as an equivalent of the fraction. For instance,

1/3 = 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + 3/10000 + ... = .3 + .03 + .003 + .0003 + ... = .3333...

To understand why the series 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + 3/10000 + ... is equal to 1/3, just visualize how long division will work on 1/3. That is, 1 ÷ 3 = .3 (i.e 3/10) with a remainder of .1 which will be divided by 3 to yield .03 (i.e 3/100) with another remainder of .01 which will again be divided by 3 and so on.

If we imagine that the series 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + ... will go on forever (cue Titanic theme song), it will eventually be equal to exactly 1/3 and this is not an approximation. It is in this sense that we say .9999... is equal to 1. As babych pointed out, some of us have a hard time convincing ourselves because their thought process truncates the number and assumes it as a finite number which will of course be only an approximation.

Personally, I think this practice is made out of convenience. For example, a calculator will only remember the answer to 1 ÷ 9 as 1/9 even though the output is shown as .1111... for it cannot genuinely store an infinite number in the memory. That explains why you get an answer of 1, rather than .9999... when you add the output of 1 ÷ 9 to 8/9:

1 ÷ 9 = .111111111

ANS + 8/9 = 1

Whether you recognize a repeating decimal as an approximation or as an exact equal is arbitrary. It is not like there is some indisputable evidence in the factual world that proves .9999... is 1. This is a matter of convention.

EDIT: Silly mistakes corrected.

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This just goes back to the limitations of decimals that I've been talking about this entire time. If you fail to accept decimals as an imperfect way of describing fractions, then you will always reach your conclusion of them being equivalent. However, if you see the problem with a decimal representing something that goes on for infinity, then my conclusion is the logical one.

This is my conclusion from this debate that has gone on for too long. 2 conclusions can be reached, it just depends on how one views decimals that decides which one is chosen.

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Guys,

I'm no math whiz, but I think the issue depends on whether you assume a repeating decimal as an approximated representation or as an equal representation of the fraction in question. The convention is that we take it as an equivalent of the fraction. For instance,

1/3 = 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + 3/10000 + ... = .3 + .03 + .003 + .0003 + ... = .3333...

To understand why the series 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + 3/10000 + ... is equal to 1/3, just visualize how long division will work on 1/3. That is, 1 ÷ 3 = .3 (i.e 3/10) with a remainder of .1 which will be divided by 3 to yield .03 (i.e 3/100) with another remainder of .01 which will again be divided by 3 and so on.

If we imagine that the series 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + ... will go on forever (cue Titanic theme song), it will eventually be equal to exactly 1/3 and this is not an approximation. It is in this sense that we say .9999... is equal to 1. As babych pointed out, some of us have a hard time convincing ourselves because their thought process truncates the number and assumes it as a finite number which will of course be only an approximation.

Personally, I think this practice is made out of convenience. For example, a calculator will only remember the answer to 1 ÷ 9 as 1/9 even though the output is shown as .1111... for it cannot genuinely store an infinite number in the memory. That explains why you get an answer of 1, rather than .9999... when you add the output of 1 ÷ 9 to 8/9:

1 ÷ 9 = .111111111

ANS + 8/9 = 1

Whether you recognize a repeating decimal as an approximation or as an exact equal is arbitrary. It is not like there is some indisputable evidence in the factual world that proves .9999... is 1. This is a matter of convention.

EDIT: Silly mistakes corrected.

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OP - what are you rounding to? Whatever it is, the last digit of should be a 7...

0.667

0.666666666667

0.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667

Hence, add that to 0.333... (same number of digits), and you get 1 - not 0.999...

Didn't anyone teach you how to round numbers?

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OP - what are you rounding to? Whatever it is, the last digit of should be a 7...

0.667

0.666666666667

0.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667

Hence, add that to 0.333... (same number of digits), and you get 1 - not 0.999...

Didn't anyone teach you how to round numbers?

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oh common guys.

it's impossible to have exactly 1/3 of something, you can only round or astrisk an infinity of numbers. so therefore it should be impossible to assume that 3 thirds can equal something so definitive as 1 =/= 1

theoretically speaking it's an interesting idea, but mathimatically it's the equivelant of playing video games.

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oh common guys.

it's impossible to have exactly 1/3 of something, you can only round or astrisk an infinity of numbers. so therefore it should be impossible to assume that 3 thirds can equal something so definitive as 1 =/= 1

theoretically speaking it's an interesting idea, but mathimatically it's the equivelant of playing video games.

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Just say you shoot an arrow at a target. When it travels to its target, it has to go half way, then half of rest of the way, then half of the rest of the way, then half of the rest of the way... and so on, forever. This formula shows that the arrow will never be able to get to the target, which is why 1=0.9999...

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