Nevlach Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 You'll be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpcurtly Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 You know pisses me off most about religion?? It's when all these people who have spent their entire lives fearing/praising/fighting for God die, they won't have the chance to think/say "what a fracking waste that was." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 You know pisses me off most about religion?? It's when all these people who have spent their entire lives fearing/praising/fighting for God die, they won't have the chance to think/say "what a fracking waste that was." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 It appears I got high and went on a god thread, excellent idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 So can anyone share with the thread some examples of things perhaps atheists have to take on faith (given their naturalistic world view)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 So can anyone share with the thread some examples of things perhaps atheists have to take on faith (given their naturalistic world view)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 I have been asked to return, and I will only be posting here sporadically and/or when a scientific clarification is necessary, but yes. there are some things I have to take on faith. I have to take it on faith that the sun will rise in the morning to provide enough heat so that the Earth doesn't freeze over and every living thing upon it dies, I have to take it on faith that there will be enough rain from time to time to water the plants that provide us with the oxygen we breathe, as well as the crops that keep us all from starving to death. I have to take it on faith that the Canucks are going to make the playoffs any given year. I have to take it on faith that I will wake up in the morning and that when I do I will be able to see, smell, taste, feel and hear. I have to take it on faith that when I flush my toilet, the water will go down instead of coming back up again, and I have to take it on faith that scientists, even with the hindrance of folks like the Kentucky creationists, will continue to search for the answers to the mysteries of the universe, and that we will one day explore said universe instead of just dreaming about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Really?? You take that on 'faith'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Really?? You take that on 'faith'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Really?? You take that on 'faith'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I was wondering the same thing. There's a big difference between faith in the religious sense and faith in the colloquial sense. To give an example, you don't have 'faith' in a pilot to land a plane successfully in the same way that you have 'faith' in God. You know for a fact that pilots can, and usually do, land planes properly. You're trusting these favourable odds when you step on a plane, not blind faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 Do I really have to break out the different definitions and connotations of the word "faith" Sharp? What happens if the sun suddenly loses a great deal of its fusion energy and drops a few thousand degrees? What would happen if the radiation energy from it wasn't strong enough to reach us anymore? We may have a good idea of the behavioral pattern of the sun but space is unpredictable, and to that end I also have to take it on "faith" that a black hole doesn't suddenly manifest itself within striking distance of the earth, or that there doesn't occur a catastrophic Coronal Mass Ejection from the Sun which would wipe out the entire grid of communications satellites and anything else electronic...while these things may not be very likely...they're not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Well I think it's pretty damned obvious I wasn't talking about faith in the religious sense. I didn't drink a glass of tainted kool-aid last night during my suspension I will guarandamntee you that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Sorry for butting in there S19, was what I said somewhat close to what your response would have been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 <p>Constantine created the bible at the council of Nicaea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 <p>According to Wikipedia:Read through the whole article and can't find any suggestion of the Bible being compiled. This from the Misconceptions:And then this from The Development of the Christian Biblical CanonsI didn't read any further on that one.So it would seem that the idea of Constantine developing the canon at the first council of Nicaea is no more than an urban legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 For me, the real problem I have with faith and religion, is that it attempts, and succeeds at taking away people's critical faculties. Anything, be it faith, religion, what-have-you, that causes people to stop thinking critically, to use logic, to question, and instead causes people to believe blindly in anything, is dangerous, and thus deserves to be criticized. There is a very simple difference between science and religion. At the very heart of this debate is reason vs. faith. Reason attempts to explain the world by compiling data and information. I won't use the word "prove", because in truth, there is no real way to prove anything 100%. That being said, science and reason allows us to base our ideas on evidence, things that are real, that can be measured, observed. The danger of faith, is that it teaches people not to think. Don't question, just believe. Don't ask, just have faith. This is how people are enslaved, controlled, oppressed. When they either don't have the right to think for themselves, or their capacity for thought has been taken away. It is particularly egregious that children are subjected to such maiming of their mental faculties without their consent. It is reprehensible that children are indoctrinated with these ideas before they've had the chance to decide for themselves what is right and wrong. That alone is bad enough, without even having to get into the forced genital mutilation that constitutes part of many religions. I also find it rather interesting that in this day and age, that people can still base their beliefs on literature from thousands of years ago. A read through the Old Testament is testament to the brutality, incest, misogyny, mysticism, and genocide that religion (in this Christianity) is based on. Other religious texts also have stories of such atrocities. I find it incredible that anyone could base their set of "morals" on a text that depicts such horrific acts as "righteous". Further, religion debases and belittles us as humans. We are not capable of morality without fear of eternal damnation? Without unending punishment looming over one's head, one cannot be moral? We require to be told how to act by a sky father? Who the, is more "moral"? The man who does good for the sake of doing good, or the man who does good merely to escape eternal torment? And as a hilarious side note, if heaven were such a nice place, why is it that religious people mourn when someone dies? Shouldn't you be happy when someone who has led a good life dies? Are they not "going to a better place" as is often claimed? Why would anyone not want to die then? If "paradise" is ensured to those who follow the tenets of religion and abide by its laws, why prolong life on earth? Why would any religious person seek medical treatment at all? Are you not just delaying your inevitable entry into heaven? Always found that interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Yeah and you really should trust everything you read on wikipedia, which is an entirely foolproof source that doesn't allow the users themselves to edit its content right? Give me a break, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic Wehrmacht Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Yeah man, I'm down with that. I am aware,OK. The reason I referenced it was because I already knew the original claim as to the origins of todays bible was incorrect ie. Constantine created the bible at the council of Nicaea. So please, enlighten us. Show me some authentic peer referenced data that validates your claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 For me, the real problem I have with faith and religion, is that it attempts, and succeeds at taking away people's critical faculties. Anything, be it faith, religion, what-have-you, that causes people to stop thinking critically, to use logic, to question, and instead causes people to believe blindly in anything, is dangerous, and thus deserves to be criticized. There is a very simple difference between science and religion. At the very heart of this debate is reason vs. faith. Reason attempts to explain the world by compiling data and information. I won't use the word "prove", because in truth, there is no real way to prove anything 100%. That being said, science and reason allows us to base our ideas on evidence, things that are real, that can be measured, observed. The danger of faith, is that it teaches people not to think. Don't question, just believe. Don't ask, just have faith. This is how people are enslaved, controlled, oppressed. When they either don't have the right to think for themselves, or their capacity for thought has been taken away. It is particularly egregious that children are subjected to such maiming of their mental faculties without their consent. It is reprehensible that children are indoctrinated with these ideas before they've had the chance to decide for themselves what is right and wrong. That alone is bad enough, without even having to get into the forced genital mutilation that constitutes part of many religions. I also find it rather interesting that in this day and age, that people can still base their beliefs on literature from thousands of years ago. A read through the Old Testament is testament to the brutality, incest, misogyny, mysticism, and genocide that religion (in this Christianity) is based on. Other religious texts also have stories of such atrocities. I find it incredible that anyone could base their set of "morals" on a text that depicts such horrific acts as "righteous". Further, religion debases and belittles us as humans. We are not capable of morality without fear of eternal damnation? Without unending punishment looming over one's head, one cannot be moral? We require to be told how to act by a sky father? Who the, is more "moral"? The man who does good for the sake of doing good, or the man who does good merely to escape eternal torment? And as a hilarious side note, if heaven were such a nice place, why is it that religious people mourn when someone dies? Shouldn't you be happy when someone who has led a good life dies? Are they not "going to a better place" as is often claimed? Why would anyone not want to die then? If "paradise" is ensured to those who follow the tenets of religion and abide by its laws, why prolong life on earth? Why would any religious person seek medical treatment at all? Are you not just delaying your inevitable entry into heaven? Always found that interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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