Alflives Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 20 hours ago, ReggieBush said: Bigger, yes. More talented, yes. Better? No way. He makes way too many stupid decisions. IDK if he is even a top 12 QB in the NFL Newton in my view is more fun to watch than Wilson. I always pull for the Seahawks, and would love Newton on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Alflives said: Newton in my view is more fun to watch than Wilson. I always pull for the Seahawks, and would love Newton on the team. More natural given physical talent for sure. Up to this point Newtons decision making has been anything but elite and that may be due to an even worse attitude. It seems he has been maturing.... Slowly... If his maturity/attitude comes even say 70% close to the level of his physical attributes he'll lead the panthers to a Superbowl... But I'm not holding my breath. I'd pick R.W. any given Sunday, and wouldn't swap quarterbacks if given the choice. Edited August 26, 2018 by Rodishred 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Come on lol not top 12? 30 minutes ago, Van40 said: Come on Cam Newton is easily a top 12 qb. Wasn't that long ago he led a 15-1 team to the sb and won mvp. Russ vs Cam is very debatable. I'm taking Cam for his upside but Wilson is a beast. Rodgers Brady Brees Wilson Big Ben Wentz Ryan Stafford Luck Rivers Carr Newton Sorry, he is the 12th best. At least right now. Not long before Darnold, Watson, maybe Jimmy G are vaulted into that conversation. @Van40 Russ and Cam are not debatable. Newton had 1 fantastic season and the rest have been good, not great. Wilson has had 3 or 4 elite seasons, and has never had a drop off like Newton has. Even when you look at his MVP season, you can make the argument that Wilson had just as good a season statistics wise Edited August 26, 2018 by ReggieBush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Ugh. This Mack situation is killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van40 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 @ReggieBush Rivers, Stafford, and Carr are not better than Cam. Smh. Empty stat qbs imo. Cam has proven he can be a championship caliber qb. Something those 3 haven't. All have little to none playoff success. Russell is pretty great and I'm a fan of his but I'm still taking Newton. Until Russ carries a team and plays like an MVP, I'll stick with my decision. 2015 Cam had 45 total tds Russ had 35 total tds. Cam also beat Russ in the divisional round. Btw this never gets brought up. Russell could of made a better throw on the 1 yard line... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van40 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 @Pears Carl Lawson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Silky mitts said: Come on lol not top 12? Brady Rodgers Brees Roethlisberger Ryan Wentz Rivers Wilson Luck (pre injury) Watson (based on small sample last year) Newton Cousins That'd be my top 12.. Comes in at 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Van40 said: @Pears Carl Lawson Dude is an animal I’m almost beginning to wonder, if Lawson, Hubbard, and Evans keep this production up, if we should trade Dunlap for a starting RT or RG. Edited August 26, 2018 by Pears Added thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ReggieBush Posted August 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2018 55 minutes ago, Van40 said: @ReggieBush Rivers, Stafford, and Carr are not better than Cam. Smh. Empty stat qbs imo. Cam has proven he can be a championship caliber qb. Something those 3 haven't. All have little to none playoff success. Russell is pretty great and I'm a fan of his but I'm still taking Newton. Until Russ carries a team and plays like an MVP, I'll stick with my decision. 2015 Cam had 45 total tds Russ had 35 total tds. Cam also beat Russ in the divisional round. Btw this never gets brought up. Russell could of made a better throw on the 1 yard line... There is so much wrong with what you have said idk where to start. Context is important Rivers ran into the patriots and steelers early in his career (two of the greatest coaches of all time) and then later on in his career had zero run game and a piss poor defense until just recently. Carr is still young and literally has no secondary. Stafford is much of the same, no defense and no run game. Cam has always had a good defence, good Oline and a run game. Russell Wilson has not played like an MVP? He damn near dragged Seattle to the playoffs last season with a ridiculous amount of injuries to his running backs, and the defense. Seattle was a kicker away from 11-5/12-4. If that is not an MVP performance, than idk what is TBH. Russell Wilson is statistically on pace to become one of the top 5 QB's in NFL HISTORY. https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/8/17/17721832/fun-with-numbers-and-why-russell-wilson-is-a-top-5-hof-qb-so-far He is becoming legendary. Through his stats, through his circus routine scrambles, through his ridiculously elevated 4th quarter play, through the comebacks that he has completed (or came damn near close too). Through his underdog story. Btw this never gets brought up. Russell could of made a better throw on the 1 yard line... Your right, he could have. And Cam could have jumped on his fumble in the Super Bowl. But careers aren't defined by 1 play. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 @ReggieBush Rogers Brady Ben Brees Cam Cam is easily top five for me. Guy is a freak of nature, who wins games with his arm and his legs. I still, like I said before, cheer for the Seahawks. I like Wilson, but he’s not (IMO) in the same league as the top five I listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Alflives said: @ReggieBush Rogers Brady Ben Brees Cam Cam is easily top five for me. Guy is a freak of nature, who wins games with his arm and his legs. I still, like I said before, cheer for the Seahawks. I like Wilson, but he’s not (IMO) in the same league as the top five I listed. Cam is talented. He is a freak of nature. But he is inefficient, turnover prone, and has poor character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ReggieBush Posted August 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2018 Lets just do a poll. If you would rather have Cam Newton on your team give me the Hydration "like" If you would rather have Russel Wilson give me the upvote 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 What would it take for the Bengals to get Mack from the Raiders? A Burfict-Brown-Mack linebacker core would be unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just throwing this out there as an outsider to the game. Was watching the ending of the Seahawks and Minnesota game on friday, and was baffled by how that 2 point conversion Minnesota went for counted. Just seems so cheap how that counts in a game, imo I would expect the ball to be at least placed on the ground with your hand or at least a body part touches the end zone, not just throwing your hand in the air and not actually touching a piece of the end zone, just seems kind of cheap and easy to score, what's the point of defense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksPatsFan Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Just throwing this out there as an outsider to the game. Was watching the ending of the Seahawks and Minnesota game on friday, and was baffled by how that 2 point conversion Minnesota went for counted. Just seems so cheap how that counts in a game, imo I would expect the ball to be at least placed on the ground with your hand or at least a body part touches the end zone, not just throwing your hand in the air and not actually touching a piece of the end zone, just seems kind of cheap and easy to score, what's the point of defense... Look up "breaking the plane" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, ReggieBush said: Lets just do a poll. If you would rather have Cam Newton on your team give me the Hydration "like" If you would rather have Russel Wilson give me the upvote So I bit... Great way to get (+)'s! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, Rodishred said: So I bit... Great way to get (+)'s! Not my intention, I just want to reiterate how nonsensical it is to legitimately believe that Newton is a flat out better QB than wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The folks at Madden think Newton is a top 12 qb, just barely lol: 1. Aaron Rodgers: 99 overall 2. Tom Brady: 97 overall 3. Drew Brees: 90 overall 4. Russell Wilson: 89 overall 5. Matt Ryan: 88 overall T6. Ben Roethlisberger/Andrew Luck/Philip Rivers: 86 overall 9. Carson Wentz: 85 overall 10. Matthew Stafford: 83 overall T11. Cam Newton/Derek Carr: 82overall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 18 hours ago, Van40 said: @ReggieBush Rivers, Stafford, and Carr are not better than Cam. Smh. Empty stat qbs imo. Cam has proven he can be a championship caliber qb. Something those 3 haven't. All have little to none playoff success. Russell is pretty great and I'm a fan of his but I'm still taking Newton. Until Russ carries a team and plays like an MVP, I'll stick with my decision. 2015 Cam had 45 total tds Russ had 35 total tds. Cam also beat Russ in the divisional round. Btw this never gets brought up. Russell could of made a better throw on the 1 yard line... So I guess you didn't bother watching last year then? Because that's EXACTLY what Wilson did and I barely watched any Seahawks games. Also, Wilson has made it to two SBs whereas Cam only one. Making it once to the show doesn't prove to me that you are a championship caliber QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 12 hours ago, ReggieBush said: Not my intention, I just want to reiterate how nonsensical it is to legitimately believe that Newton is a flat out better QB than wilson I jest... It's a win win scenario... You get to prove a point and get pluses. Intended or not, I think it's kinda brilliant actually... See... DangeRuss all the way! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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