flickyoursedin Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 What is the likelihood of Curtis Samuel getting a decent amount of targets here on out? With Benjamin’s trade those targets are up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 29 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I mean "Garrett, darnold..." Ah ok. That makes more sense. That had me a bit confused. I was wondering if there was some top college QB out there that I wasn't aware of. I think that the Bills are going to trade up in this draft to grab a QB. That's why I've been trying to stay aware of the top ones. Unless Garoppolo can pull off a miracle with the 49ers and win most of their final 8 games, I think the Bills are likely to try and get the 49ers first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: Ah ok. That makes more sense. That had me a bit confused. I was wondering if there was some top college QB out there that I wasn't aware of. I think that the Bills are going to trade up in this draft to grab a QB. That's why I've been trying to stay aware of the top ones. Unless Garoppolo can pull off a miracle with the 49ers and win most of their final 8 games, I think the Bills are likely to try and get the 49ers first round pick. Lots of teams going to be running for the big 3 This year. I too hope the jets can nab one. Hey if we're lucky maybe the jets/bills games will be significant next year! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, 73 Percent said: Easy to say now. Hindsight is 20/20. I personally would rather garett darnold and all their draft picks from last year. I said this seconds after the CFB Championship game and draft day in this thread iirc. If anyone saw that game they would've said the same thing. If Darnold can beat Bama in a championship game by playing unconsciously good then by all means take a chance, but college QB's on powerhouse teams tend to struggle going to weak teams with holes at every position. Watson > Darnold imo, time will tell I suppose. And Garrett better get healthy quick. Either way, not my franchise lol. Quote I have some advice for everyone following a bad team—and, as a result, all the top college quarterbacks—and it really boils down to two words: Chill out. USC’s Sam Darnold looked like crap on Friday night at Washington State. He threw for 164 yards after crossing the 200-yard threshold in each of his first 14 starts. He fell below 60 percent completions for just the second time as a starter (he was at 57.1 percent against Texas on Sept. 16), and in Pullman was well below that mark (51.7). He didn’t throw a touchdown pass for the first time since his first start. And the truth is, that this wasn’t just the stats. Darnold really struggled, as the Trojans’ 13-game win streak, dating back to the quarterback’s second start, was snapped. “He has a slight hitch, a wind-up in his throw, and he does stare down receivers,” said one veteran evaluator. “He’s still learning to read defenses. This is a young kid. Not ready for primetime yet. He has the tools, but he’s too inconsistent, and the hype doesn’t help him either. Overall, he has a lot of ability but he’s just not there yet.” <div class="inner-container"> <img src="https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2017/10/03/sam-darnold-washington-state.jpg" alt=""> </div> Robert Johnson/Icon Sportswire Maybe we all got ahead of ourselves last month—I’ll raise my hand on that one. Darnold is 20, and will still be 20 on the day of the 2018 NFL draft. This was the first year he’d entered the season as a collegiate starter, he lost his No. 1 receiver (now-Steeler JuJu Smith-Schuster) and three All-Pac-12 linemen (the Giants’ Chad Wheeler and Cleveland’s Zach Banner at tackle, and Chiefs practice squad guard Damien Mama) to the NFL. Now that the hype train has finally slowed down, I talked to a number of NFL coaches and scouts who watched him play on Friday night—though this was before they’ve really broken down the tape—to try and get an idea of what the 20-17 road loss meant for Darnold’s stock. The first thing that came up was what the above scout mentioned, how Darnold needs better discipline in not staring down the receiver he’s going to. The best example came on his interception early in the second quarter, when Darnold took the snap, immediately looked to his left at Josh Imatorbhebhe, and stayed there long enough for Washington State corner Sean Harper to undercut the receiver. Second, in the Washington State game, Darnold’s eyes dropped. Those three linemen the Trojans lost from 2016? By the end of Friday night they were down three more, and more than one evaluator noticed that Darnold clearly didn’t trust the guys protecting him. As a result, he had happy feet for much of the night, looked to run more (a career-high nine rushing attempts), and missed throws he usually doesn’t. And, again, he was caught looking at the rush, most notably on the sack-fumble that clinched the win for the hosts. Third, Darnold’s forces throws. Scouts believe it’s happening more this year for three reasons: (1) he’s hyper-competitive; (2) he has a deep belief in his physical ability; and (3) with a young team around him, he knows he has to be really good. That, of course, is not unlike where Jameis Winston was during his final college season, during which he, like Darnold, had a young team around him. Now, the good news is that a lot of this is fixable. He can, and will, be coached on his eye discipline, which has been fine in the past. He can certainly learn to protect the ball better, and the coaches can work on getting him easy completions so he doesn’t feel the need to be a hero on every down. Also, it’s USC, so even if the team is young, it’s talented, and with experience that should show. The main thing here, though, is that this isn’t unusual. The fact that Deshaun Watson had 35 starts at Clemson—more than twice as many as Darnold has now—matters. By the time he declared for the draft, Watson had been faced with a lot of different challenges, the kind that Darnold’s working through now. “Sometimes, it looks like he’s trying to do it all himself,” said a veteran personnel director. “But that’s just youth.” So how about this? Let’s wait and see it how plays out. Darnold will have a decision to make on whether he’ll stay in school or go to the NFL—which I’ve heard could be impacted by which teams, and coaches, have high picks in April—after the season. By then, we should know a bunch more about where he is in his development. And all of that gives him plenty of time, including possibly the 2018 season, to work his issues out. If I was Darnold I'd return for another year then go to that tire fire of a team in Cleveland lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: I said this seconds after the CFB Championship game and draft day in this thread iirc. If anyone saw that game they would've said the same thing. If Darnold can beat Bama in a championship game by playing unconsciously good then by all means take a chance, but college QB's on powerhouse teams tend to struggle going to weak teams with holes at every position. Watson > Darnold imo, time will tell I suppose. And Garrett better get healthy quick. Either way, not my franchise lol. If I was Darnold I'd return for another year then go to that tire fire of a team in Cleveland lol. Who is to say Cleveland will not stink up the next season too, and finish dead last again? The kid should come out now, and bank his money, which will be a lot. He can finish school after his NFL career, whether it be a short one or a long one. Risking another season, and the potential of injury makes no sense for a guy who might be selected first overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: I said this seconds after the CFB Championship game and draft day in this thread iirc. If anyone saw that game they would've said the same thing. If Darnold can beat Bama in a championship game by playing unconsciously good then by all means take a chance, but college QB's on powerhouse teams tend to struggle going to weak teams with holes at every position. Watson > Darnold imo, time will tell I suppose. And Garrett better get healthy quick. Either way, not my franchise lol. If I was Darnold I'd return for another year then go to that tire fire of a team in Cleveland lol. Good for you. You're not a NFL GM so your prediction doesn't account for $&!#. Way to turn this into a shoulda drafted thread though. We definitly needed another one of those. Sorry but I can't stand when people say that $&!#. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Lots of teams going to be running for the big 3 This year. I too hope the jets can nab one. Hey if we're lucky maybe the jets/bills games will be significant next year! Tomorrow night's game is pretty significant for the Bills. Not so much for the Jets.... Regardless, I think it will be a good and competitive game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosalie73 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Which team will get a win first? The Browns or the 49ers? I'd say the Niners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 23 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: I said this seconds after the CFB Championship game and draft day in this thread iirc. If anyone saw that game they would've said the same thing. If Darnold can beat Bama in a championship game by playing unconsciously good then by all means take a chance, but college QB's on powerhouse teams tend to struggle going to weak teams with holes at every position. Watson > Darnold imo, time will tell I suppose. And Garrett better get healthy quick. Either way, not my franchise lol. If I was Darnold I'd return for another year then go to that tire fire of a team in Cleveland lol. Darnold most likely will return. Im glad because we (USC) has a real shot at a Natty next year. Darnold vs Watson will be the QB battle of the future and it is just a matter of time before they are playing in an AFC Championship or Super Bowl. If I had to guess, I would say after Big Ben retires this year, the steelers suck and get the number 1 pick and take Darnold the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, Rosalie73 said: Which team will get a win first? The Browns or the 49ers? I'd say the Niners. I dont think the Niners will because they have a QB coming in and learning a brand new system which is tough to do midseason. I think the Browns will beat the Jags and Packers but still go 2-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, Alflives said: Who is to say Cleveland will not stink up the next season too, and finish dead last again? The kid should come out now, and bank his money, which will be a lot. He can finish school after his NFL career, whether it be a short one or a long one. Risking another season, and the potential of injury makes no sense for a guy who might be selected first overall. That's a tough decision for a top college player. Personally, I'd go for the cash. If you're injured in college, you get nothing. If you stay healthy but for some reason drop out of the first round the following season into the second round or lower, you lose out on a lot of cash. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Rosalie73 said: Which team will get a win first? The Browns or the 49ers? I'd say the Niners. Now that they have a decent QB, chances favour San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, ReggieBush said: I dont think the Niners will because they have a QB coming in and learning a brand new system which is tough to do midseason. I think the Browns will beat the Jags and Packers but still go 2-14 The Jags have one of the top defenses this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 28 minutes ago, Alflives said: Who is to say Cleveland will not stink up the next season too, and finish dead last again? The kid should come out now, and bank his money, which will be a lot. He can finish school after his NFL career, whether it be a short one or a long one. Risking another season, and the potential of injury makes no sense for a guy who might be selected first overall. One thing about Darnold is that he is a legacy at USC. His Grandfather was a USC basketball player and Sam grew up a diehard Trojan. One thing he has gone on record about is that he wants to leave a legacy at SC and be remembered. A tough thing to do without winning a National Championship. Maybe he leaves if USC can win the PAC 12 this year but anything less would see him come back imo. And his family is already well off, so its not like he needs the money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, Rosalie73 said: Which team will get a win first? The Browns or the 49ers? I'd say the Niners. 49ers for sure, they came close a couple times. With a better QB now they should do better. 23 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: I would say after Big Ben retires this year, the steelers suck and get the number 1 pick and take Darnold the following year. I would hate that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Tre Mac said: If I was Darnold I'd return for another year then go to that tire fire of a team in Cleveland lol. One thing's for sure, Cleveland is about to completely right the ship. If Darnold waits a year to announce then the Browns will already be a playoff team and won't be picking anywhere near where he's expected to be drafted. Vegas Odds: 2/0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Good for you. You're not a NFL GM so your prediction doesn't account for $&!#. Way to turn this into a shoulda drafted thread though. We definitly needed another one of those. Sorry but I can't stand when people say that $&!#. Did somebody steal your Halloween candy last night? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 25 minutes ago, Green Building said: Did somebody steal your Halloween candy last night? No im just annoyed by the "should have drafted" statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, 73 Percent said: Good for you. You're not a NFL GM so your prediction doesn't account for $&!#. Way to turn this into a shoulda drafted thread though. We definitly needed another one of those. Sorry but I can't stand when people say that $&!#. He's not wrong and anyone who watched that game should have said the same thing. I couldn't believe the guys drafted ahead of Watson at QB myself but kept my mouth shut because I wanted to draft him in the CDC fantasy league. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: No im just annoyed by the "should have drafted" statements. It's sports discussion on a sports board. I'm sure you'll live. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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