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I hope the players are going hard after a pension plan for the already older retired players who are having a hard time making ends meet. The average players salary is $2.4M. If these guys can't hire a financial advisor and figure it out for themselves, it boggles my mind.

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Oh shiznit! This is going to be tight! It's literally do or die (in terms of the union dissolving). The main issue seems to be pension at this point, owners should just concede. Far easier for the owners just to vote on the PA's latest.

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I hope the players are going hard after a pension plan for the already older retired players who are having a hard time making ends meet. The average players salary is $2.4M. If these guys can't hire a financial advisor and figure it out for themselves, it boggles my mind.

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A shortened NHL season would still be a long haul for travel-tested Canucks:

VANCOUVER — It’s no secret significant travel challenges await the Vancouver Canucks should a collective bargaining agreement be struck and allow a 48-game schedule to commence Jan.19. What remains a mystery is how the process will actually play out.

The defending Presidents’ Trophy winners haven’t been told what to expect and how their slate of games will be divided between Northwest Division demands and remainder of the Western Conference. If they have a day between games on their existing schedule, there won’t be another jammed in the middle. That makes sense. And while that may be of some comfort, the Canucks know it’s going to be a grind. A real grind.

No matter what math or personal preference you apply to the 48-game equation — seven games against each of four division rivals and a home-and-away against 10 other conference teams or five versus each in the division and the same home-and-away in rest of the conference to allow for additional fan-appeasing Canadian content with home-and-away contests against Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and Winnipeg — start by going to what would have been the entire 2012-13 schedule.

It stands to reason that dates already in place for the Canucks within the conference — at Rogers Arena or on the road — will remain to ease the logistical load and allow the league would work around them. That means while the season could open Jan. 19 and the Canucks playing that night, they were also scheduled to host Anaheim on Jan. 21 and be in Edmonton the next night. Then came a seven-day break for what would have been the All-Star Game in Columbus on Jan. 27, but it was cancelled Nov. 23. So add more games there before the Canucks host San Jose on Jan. 29 and Colorado two nights later. A three-day stretch of no games for the Canucks in February and a four-day break in March will likely be used to add another game or two. It’s basically three games one week and four the next and seven games every two weeks.

Regardless of the final draft, the schedule will make rest and recovery, the sleep doctor and proper nutrition as important as game preparation and execution. Which is nothing new for Alain Vigneault.

The Canucks coach was an assistant to Rick Bowness with Ottawa in the 1994-95 season that was shortened to 48 games because of a lockout. The Senators held a 10-day training camp and won just nine games. These Canucks are not those Senators, but that lockout produced a Jan. 20-June 24 season in which Detroit won the Presidents’ Trophy and swept by New Jersey in the Stanley Cup final. The Devils lost just four games in four playoff rounds after going 22-18-8 in the shortened season. The Wings were 33-11-4.

The Canucks can’t afford the 5-5-1 start they had last season in a projected sprint where improvements in Edmonton and Minnesota will make a fifth-consecutive division title tougher. However, the Canucks finished fourth on the power play and fifth in goals last season and were fourth in goals against and sixth in penalty killing.

“I don’t think we’re going to change a lot,” said Vigneault. “We’re used to a demanding schedule, but we’re going to have to get input from our players on how they feel energy wise and mentally. That’s where the strong leadership in the room comes in. They all have a team-first attitude and that’s what we’re going to need. These guys want to win and it just makes them more motivated because they know how challenging it is.”

The coaching staff convened the second week of August and planned out how to approach training camp and the season. The Canucks may spend as much time in the video room as the ice if camp commences Jan. 12 and there won’t be an exhibition season to determine who can eat up second-line minutes for Ryan Kesler and who’s best suited to be the third-line centre. Is it Maxim Lapierre, Jordan Schroeder or the rumoured Tyler Bozak via an expected Roberto Luongo trade?

“I’m a big fan of Lappy and a lot of our players are, too,” added Vigneault. “He works hard and comes to play. Obviously, he needs to adjust some things in his game and I’m real confident he’ll do well. We talk about our lineup on a daily basis and we feel we’ve got a good team. Let’s get through this lockout and get to camp and then we’ll figure out what we need to do.”

As long as Alex Edler (back) and Jason Garrison (groin) don’t have setbacks from respective injuries they successfully rehabbed during the lockout and the rigours of a one-week camp don’t claim others, the Canucks could transition well. But a short camp will go a long way in determining who’s really in top shape. That will be more important that honing a power play that was blanked 13 times in the final 18 regular-season games and went 3-for-21 in the postseason. But what will hurt more to start a short season, indifferent play or injuries?

“Probably injuries in trying to find that line of getting in shape and pushing it too hard,” said Canucks winger Chris Higgins, who could see some time at centre until Kesler recovers from offseason shoulder and wrist surgeries. “You have that normally with a regular start, but now there’s pressure to push a little harder than you can.”

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/01/02/a-shortened-nhl-season-would-still-be-a-long-haul-for-travel-tested-canucks/

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Bollocks on the owners, we watch the players bust their humps every night risk serious head injuries along with life long aches and pains, and some of you deny these guys a great salary and pension in favor of lining the owners pockets even more!

No Bollocks to fans of the owners who worry about their offshore bank accounts!

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These jokers won't make an agreement until the last minute if they do.

Right now each side is trying to see how far they can push. It has basically come down to nickel and diming on both sides. A real great tactic for building a strong relationship going forward.

You can tell each side wants to make the deal that "saves" the season. Ultimately it will take one side "caving", and my money's on the players. Because the reality is, they want a season more than the owners.

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