King of the ES Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Back end will stabilize everything anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I like MacArthur more than Bozak, salaries removed from this discussion. Both is a bigger win, but not at the expense of a very good prospect. I'd take the deal with a 2knd and Kadri. Add the salary back into the discussion and the cap relief benefits the Leafs; so including him in the transaction actually helps make a deal. I don't think anyone does not see them as rentals for us; so why the floating value on picks??? So what is the target now? I think the deal should change a bit to include Clarke McArthur, the thing is from their side he is a useful top 6 forward, from our side he is probably a rental. McArthur, Bozak, Kadri, Conditional Pick (2nd: If both McArthur and Bozak leave as UFA's. 3rd: if one of the 2 leaves, nothing if both are re-signed) Is that a stretch or realistic? They added JVR so that bumps one of there regular top 6 wingers down, so maybe that wold be McArthur and it would leave him open to trade, they have some guys other than that too, Connolly, Lombardi, McClement, Frattin, Colbourne, Ashton, exc. Anyways Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 GM's will overpay at the deadline as they always do, and with the short season there will be less time for any team to create separation in the standings so when the deadline rolls around and more teams are on the cusp there will certainly be more players in the luongo sweepstakes. I dont see the rush in trading him I think we'd only get less for Lou now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Going 15-5 in those 20 games, instead of 10-10 with an average or unproven backup, could mean the difference of making the playoffs or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo Chili Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Hey guys, I got this from Calgarypuck, it's very intresting... I dont know why a Flame fan would make up a rumour that would benifit us, but apparently Luongo to Florida. Bjugstad + Weiss for Luongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The second line is supposed to score. I'm not concerned about them being defensive liabilities. Who's going to score? By "risk" I mean that it's risky for a "built to win now" team to run with 1 scoring line and 3 "defensively responsible" lines. Good luck in winning a Cup with that recipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 if Luongo to Florida was as good as done- why has it not happened? John Shannon and half the hockey world predicted that Luongo to Toronto would happen within 48 hours of the lockout ending. How about 48 days? 48 weeks? John Shannon really F'ed his reputation with his guarantee of Luongo to Toronto- oh wait, he has no reputation, because nobody cares what he says anyway, because we all know that he is a useless human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 if Luongo to Florida was as good as done- why has it not happened? John Shannon and half the hockey world predicted that Luongo to Toronto would happen within 48 hours of the lockout ending. How about 48 days? 48 weeks? John Shannon really F'ed his reputation with his guarantee of Luongo to Toronto- oh wait, he has no reputation, because nobody cares what he says anyway, because we all know that he is a useless human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklas Jensen Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Gudbranson is jackpot for us if we could get him for Luongo. The next Shea Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 TO's Sportsnet Cox's view http://m.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1315618--maple-leafs-prospects-more-valuable-than-luongo-any-day-cox Reading TO's rumors they are thinking Bozak and a 3rd is enough. If this is somewhat true and Gillis could have had Schenn and no cap penalty then he completely misread the market. HALIFAX—You watch some of the world’s top hockey prospects parade in and out of physical testing and off-ice interviews, impressing one and all with their talent and their personality, and the reality hits you like, well, a two-by-four upside the head. Why in the world would the Maple Leafs want to trade for Roberto Luongo now? Or more specifically, why would they give up anything significant from the future to get him, particularly if it also impairs their ability to acquire more top-end prospects? These are clearly questions worth asking even as talks continue between the Leafs and the Vancouver Canucks, talks that could in theory bring Luongo to southern Ontario as early as this week. See, it seems the change from Brian Burke to Dave Nonis has clearly altered the tone of the conversation surrounding the Toronto franchise. Whereas Burke would have been under the gun to make post-season play to save his job, that seems to be much less the case with Nonis. The fact Nonis now has a new contract suggests he will actually get a fair chance to build a championship team, which means there should be less urgency today for the team to do whatever it takes just to make the playoffs this season. If the team is good enough to qualify for the Stanley Cup dance as it is, well, James Reimer will obviously have demonstrated he can do the job. If the team isn’t good enough, there’s a glorious draft class awaiting, major pieces of which are on display in Nova Scotia this week at the CHL Top Prospects Game. Portland defenceman Seth Jones is here, and he leapfrogged over Halifax sniper Nathan MacKinnon on Tuesday to become North America’s top prospect for the 2013 NHL draft. Jones looks and acts like the very definition of a hockey thoroughbred. MacKinnon, Sidney Crosby II in some minds, is a star in the making. His Mooseheads linemate Jonathan Drouin, who has skyrocketed to third in the rankings, impressed the planet at the recent world junior championships. And it doesn’t stop there. Sean Monahan of the Ottawa 67’s looks like a terrific prospect, and Kitchener’s Justin Bailey is a particularly intriguing one. This draft is so deep, talented youngsters like London’s Max Domi and Curtis Lazar of Edmonton have dropped out of the top 20. Among the Europeans, Aleksander Barkov (Finland), Elias Lindholm (Sweden) and Russian winger Valeri Nichushkin — who burned Canada for a spectacular goal at the world juniors — appear to have surefire NHL talent. Leafs chief scout Dave Morrison is here checking them all out, and he, above all people, could tell you why it is that his hockey team rarely sports any of the world’s top young talent. He’s rarely in a position to draft them, that’s why. That changed with the selection of Morgan Rielly with the fifth pick last June, and the best way to follow up on Rielly would be to add another blue-chipper, not a 33-year-old goalie. The new collective bargaining agreement, of course, has also made Luongo’s contract even less attractive than it was before the lockout. That cap hit will follow whichever team has it until 2022 like a bad smell. Sure, you might get five good years out of Luongo. But you’ll get stuck with that contract for five more. The answer, then, is that you only trade for Luongo if you don’t have to surrender anything of consequence. As if he were an unrestricted free agent. Then you can live with the fact he might improve the team enough to take it out of a top-10 draft position. He’ll make you just good enough that you can’t get really good. The Rangers, you’ll recall, gave up blueline prospect Tim Erixon and a first-round pick as part of a package to get forward Rick Nash. The Leafs simply aren’t in a position to sacrifice those kinds of assets. Nazem Kadri? They’d be smarter to keep him after all the time invested in his development. Tyler Bozak? Sure, but only because he’s 26 and unrestricted next summer. If Vancouver isn’t desperate enough to essentially give Luongo away just to be rid of the contract, then the Leafs shouldn’t pursue the matter. The alternative, after all, is quite palatable. Maybe better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 A .750 winning percentage. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 TO's Sportsnet Cox's view http://m.thestar.com...ngo-any-day-cox Reading TO's rumors they are thinking Bozak and a 3rd is enough. If this is somewhat true and Gillis could have had Schenn and no cap penalty then he completely misread the market. HALIFAX—You watch some of the world's top hockey prospects parade in and out of physical testing and off-ice interviews, impressing one and all with their talent and their personality, and the reality hits you like, well, a two-by-four upside the head. Why in the world would the Maple Leafs want to trade for Roberto Luongo now? Or more specifically, why would they give up anything significant from the future to get him, particularly if it also impairs their ability to acquire more top-end prospects? These are clearly questions worth asking even as talks continue between the Leafs and the Vancouver Canucks, talks that could in theory bring Luongo to southern Ontario as early as this week. See, it seems the change from Brian Burke to Dave Nonis has clearly altered the tone of the conversation surrounding the Toronto franchise. Whereas Burke would have been under the gun to make post-season play to save his job, that seems to be much less the case with Nonis. The fact Nonis now has a new contract suggests he will actually get a fair chance to build a championship team, which means there should be less urgency today for the team to do whatever it takes just to make the playoffs this season. If the team is good enough to qualify for the Stanley Cup dance as it is, well, James Reimer will obviously have demonstrated he can do the job. If the team isn't good enough, there's a glorious draft class awaiting, major pieces of which are on display in Nova Scotia this week at the CHL Top Prospects Game. Portland defenceman Seth Jones is here, and he leapfrogged over Halifax sniper Nathan MacKinnon on Tuesday to become North America's top prospect for the 2013 NHL draft. Jones looks and acts like the very definition of a hockey thoroughbred. MacKinnon, Sidney Crosby II in some minds, is a star in the making. His Mooseheads linemate Jonathan Drouin, who has skyrocketed to third in the rankings, impressed the planet at the recent world junior championships. And it doesn't stop there. Sean Monahan of the Ottawa 67's looks like a terrific prospect, and Kitchener's Justin Bailey is a particularly intriguing one. This draft is so deep, talented youngsters like London's Max Domi and Curtis Lazar of Edmonton have dropped out of the top 20. Among the Europeans, Aleksander Barkov (Finland), Elias Lindholm (Sweden) and Russian winger Valeri Nichushkin — who burned Canada for a spectacular goal at the world juniors — appear to have surefire NHL talent. Leafs chief scout Dave Morrison is here checking them all out, and he, above all people, could tell you why it is that his hockey team rarely sports any of the world's top young talent. He's rarely in a position to draft them, that's why. That changed with the selection of Morgan Rielly with the fifth pick last June, and the best way to follow up on Rielly would be to add another blue-chipper, not a 33-year-old goalie. The new collective bargaining agreement, of course, has also made Luongo's contract even less attractive than it was before the lockout. That cap hit will follow whichever team has it until 2022 like a bad smell. Sure, you might get five good years out of Luongo. But you'll get stuck with that contract for five more. The answer, then, is that you only trade for Luongo if you don't have to surrender anything of consequence. As if he were an unrestricted free agent. Then you can live with the fact he might improve the team enough to take it out of a top-10 draft position. He'll make you just good enough that you can't get really good. The Rangers, you'll recall, gave up blueline prospect Tim Erixon and a first-round pick as part of a package to get forward Rick Nash. The Leafs simply aren't in a position to sacrifice those kinds of assets. Nazem Kadri? They'd be smarter to keep him after all the time invested in his development. Tyler Bozak? Sure, but only because he's 26 and unrestricted next summer. If Vancouver isn't desperate enough to essentially give Luongo away just to be rid of the contract, then the Leafs shouldn't pursue the matter. The alternative, after all, is quite palatable. Maybe better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Damien Cox loves to troll Vancover fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 TO's Sportsnet Cox's view http://m.thestar.com...ngo-any-day-cox Reading TO's rumors they are thinking Bozak and a 3rd is enough. If this is somewhat true and Gillis could have had Schenn and no cap penalty then he completely misread the market. HALIFAX—You watch some of the world's top hockey prospects parade in and out of physical testing and off-ice interviews, impressing one and all with their talent and their personality, and the reality hits you like, well, a two-by-four upside the head. Why in the world would the Maple Leafs want to trade for Roberto Luongo now? Or more specifically, why would they give up anything significant from the future to get him, particularly if it also impairs their ability to acquire more top-end prospects? These are clearly questions worth asking even as talks continue between the Leafs and the Vancouver Canucks, talks that could in theory bring Luongo to southern Ontario as early as this week. See, it seems the change from Brian Burke to Dave Nonis has clearly altered the tone of the conversation surrounding the Toronto franchise. Whereas Burke would have been under the gun to make post-season play to save his job, that seems to be much less the case with Nonis. The fact Nonis now has a new contract suggests he will actually get a fair chance to build a championship team, which means there should be less urgency today for the team to do whatever it takes just to make the playoffs this season. If the team is good enough to qualify for the Stanley Cup dance as it is, well, James Reimer will obviously have demonstrated he can do the job. If the team isn't good enough, there's a glorious draft class awaiting, major pieces of which are on display in Nova Scotia this week at the CHL Top Prospects Game. Portland defenceman Seth Jones is here, and he leapfrogged over Halifax sniper Nathan MacKinnon on Tuesday to become North America's top prospect for the 2013 NHL draft. Jones looks and acts like the very definition of a hockey thoroughbred. MacKinnon, Sidney Crosby II in some minds, is a star in the making. His Mooseheads linemate Jonathan Drouin, who has skyrocketed to third in the rankings, impressed the planet at the recent world junior championships. And it doesn't stop there. Sean Monahan of the Ottawa 67's looks like a terrific prospect, and Kitchener's Justin Bailey is a particularly intriguing one. This draft is so deep, talented youngsters like London's Max Domi and Curtis Lazar of Edmonton have dropped out of the top 20. Among the Europeans, Aleksander Barkov (Finland), Elias Lindholm (Sweden) and Russian winger Valeri Nichushkin — who burned Canada for a spectacular goal at the world juniors — appear to have surefire NHL talent. Leafs chief scout Dave Morrison is here checking them all out, and he, above all people, could tell you why it is that his hockey team rarely sports any of the world's top young talent. He's rarely in a position to draft them, that's why. That changed with the selection of Morgan Rielly with the fifth pick last June, and the best way to follow up on Rielly would be to add another blue-chipper, not a 33-year-old goalie. The new collective bargaining agreement, of course, has also made Luongo's contract even less attractive than it was before the lockout. That cap hit will follow whichever team has it until 2022 like a bad smell. Sure, you might get five good years out of Luongo. But you'll get stuck with that contract for five more. The answer, then, is that you only trade for Luongo if you don't have to surrender anything of consequence. As if he were an unrestricted free agent. Then you can live with the fact he might improve the team enough to take it out of a top-10 draft position. He'll make you just good enough that you can't get really good. The Rangers, you'll recall, gave up blueline prospect Tim Erixon and a first-round pick as part of a package to get forward Rick Nash. The Leafs simply aren't in a position to sacrifice those kinds of assets. Nazem Kadri? They'd be smarter to keep him after all the time invested in his development. Tyler Bozak? Sure, but only because he's 26 and unrestricted next summer. If Vancouver isn't desperate enough to essentially give Luongo away just to be rid of the contract, then the Leafs shouldn't pursue the matter. The alternative, after all, is quite palatable. Maybe better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Well that's gotta be the most reliable source I've ever seen. A server at a random restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Cox is the worst. I agree with him on his take on the crappy team he has to cover. They do suck, they probably suck badly enough to get a good prospect next year. Whenever he has anything to say about the Canucks; however, he can only see things through his Leaf colored glasses. ie: Vancouver HAS to get rid of Luongo, he's not worth anything, let's do them the favour of taking him off their hands in exchange for nothing ... holy crap, King, are you Damien Cox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Gudbranson is jackpot for us if we could get him for Luongo. The next Shea Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 More importantly i wonder who's glasses Dave Nonis looks through ? Sometimes its a good idea to look at things from the other sides perspective too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Spread the wealth. Sedin - Sedin - Kassian Higgins - Schroeder - Burrows Raymond - Lapierre - Hansen Volpatti - Malhotra - Weiss With a stro,ng defense and arguably the best goaltending tandem in the NHL, we will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Bozak and a 3rd ! LOL at the Toronto hacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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