BedBeats™2.0 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I agree with what you are saying about AV playing players who he thinks will give him the best chance to win but I'm questioning whether he is making the right choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I think out of all the repetitive threads, I let out the biggest sigh when I see an AV thread pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 26-13-7. NW Division Champion. 5 years in a row now. Playoff bound. I like winning. Its fun. and enjoyable as a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Yeah winning is fun. but it would be even more fun if we won the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 So the Aquilini's should fire AV and hire what available Stanley Cup winning coach? Mike Keenan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 actually Aqulini wouldn't be doing the hiring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Yeah winning is fun. but it would be even more fun if we won the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lidstrom Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From what I've seen, AV has always played the best players that give us a chance to win. Just because a player is younger or has more potential doesn't mean they deserve more ice-time. It is what he has preached since day 1. Its not AV's job to develop young players. What did we spend millions of dollars on player development on? His job is to win and with 5 straight NW titles, he's probably the best coach we have ever had. I'm grateful he is still our coach. I hope the fans wanting him fired have an average age of 14, which would save some credibility of Canuck fans in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 His track record of young players: Schneider Burrows Kesler Tanev Hansen Raymond To a lesser extent (but have seen their emergence under AV): Sedins Bieksa Not sure how you can pin Kassian on AV (making him a basket-case is a joke) he is a professional hockey player if he can't stand his coaches criticism he shouldn't be playing (my guess is he can and he will be better for it). You don't just throw a player on the first line because of his potential... he has to earn it... if you people had your way Minny would have ran away with the division and we would be fighting for a playoff spot right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 From what I've seen, AV has always played the best players that give us a chance to win. Just because a player is younger or has more potential doesn't mean they deserve more ice-time. It is what he has preached since day 1. Its not AV's job to develop young players. What did we spend millions of dollars on player development on? His job is to win and with 5 straight NW titles, he's probably the best coach we have ever had. I'm grateful he is still our coach. I hope the fans wanting him fired have an average age of 14, which would save some credibility of Canuck fans in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I agree for the most part and I think Kassian understands he has to play consistently and earn his ice time. What bothers me how AV appears so reluctant to throw the kid a bone. At last night's presser, he gushed all over COrrado's play (deservedly so) but when asked about Kass (who scored the game winning goal playing against Duncan Keith) his only comment was "he pplayed alright", accompanied with a look of pain on his face for having to even say that. Young players lack maturity and confidence. Kass is a big kid who will be more effective the more he knows he is trusted and appreciated. It's just the way young guys are. Would it really have killed AV to say "Kass showed some good stuff tonight and scored a big goal for us. We'll need him to step up in teh playoffs"? Something like that could really motivate a young kid like Kass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Shirokov's failed due to Coaching and Management. Grabner had no place here either way. Now to get back to what I was saying before, Schneider was made in the AHL. He came into the NHL ready and poised to be a star. Nothing to do with coaching. And the Sedins are cause of Crow. They were PPG before AV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Hit +1 instead of quote. Didn't mean too. Shirokov failed because he was simply lazy and not that good. Nothing to do with coaching and management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I think he was unfairly treated in 10/11 when he came up and played well and was sent down right away, despite playing better than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllEyezOnMe Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I agree with what you are saying about AV playing players who he thinks will give him the best chance to win but I'm questioning whether he is making the right choices. I like Bieksa (Edler not as much) but when those 2 are constantly making mistakes and AV throws them out on the ice time after time, he really ISNT giving himself the best chance to win. He is blinded by his own biasness and so are you. When Edler got walked around yesterday, if that was Corrado, despite the awesome game he was having, his ass would be stapled to the bench after that (esp in the 3rd) That kind of coaching hampers development and in a sense, AV let his bias in going with vets result in perhaps playing a vet (who thinks he has a better chance to win with) over a player that is actually playing better and giving the team a better chance to win. Now if Corrado got dangled multiple times, I can understand him being benched but it seems like AV has a super short fuse for rookies which might actually be screwing himself over from icing the best team. I'm not saying Corrado, Tanev, Kassian, Shroeder are saviors but I do have a sneaking suspicion that they are capable of playing better with better coaching and opportunities which would help the team perform even better than they are now. For example, Ebett over Schroeder? What does Ebett bring over Jordan besides age? Jordan has better hockey sense, skills, speed, just as reliable defensively, and would make a line of Kassian and Weise much better than Ebett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 May I be so bold as to say to you coach, considering your track record with younger players of recent, to offer you some advice. Please for the love of Gawd don't f#@k-up Corrado's confidence. Don't sit him, don't play head games with him. Let him play. He looks good. Please!! I mean it must be tempting, after making Kassian a complete basket-case of late, for you to beak off non-sensically about some shortcomings but, it would behoove you to zip it and let the kid play. No Hodgsonesque questioning of his committment to play, no Grabneresque......oh bloody hell, you get it. #26- Petri Skriko's old number, Great Tursas Beard!!! Love it!! Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Schroeder may be better for the regular season rather then post season. We're trying to get bigger in the lineup not smaller, and since we have a small but effective player in roy their is no need to put Schroeder in the playoffs especially because of his age and experience. Ebbett may not be a goal scorer but he has the speed,forechecking ability and hitting whereas Schroeder does not (right now). If we lack scoring in the post season then I'm all in for Schroeder centering a line with Raymond/Hansen or playing on the 4th line but right now ebbett is just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Schroeder listed as 5'8 175 Ebbett listed as 5'9 174. I don't think size is the difference here. They are both small. Fair enough though if you think Ebbett has the edge defensively and thats why he plays over Schroeder. My logic was just that while Schroeder might lack "just slightly" in defensive play over Ebbett, he is much more capable of making his linemates play better than Ebbett and instead of defending a 1 goal lead with Ebbett, Schroeder might be the one to set up Kassian or Booth to give the Canucks a 2 or 3 goal lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I argue against the myth that Vignault isn't good for prospects whenever I can. "Tanev" What a basketcase. AV totally ruined that kid's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 did kassian even get a shift in the third period last night against chicago, he scored a power forward kinda goal by going strong to the net and postioning himself for a pass, he should of been rewarded for his heads up play.... yes there were many penalties in the third and even corrado saw pp time, but not kassian. in a 3-0 at the time the canucks had 2 power plays and often with a big lead the opposing team gets chippy and start to run at our stars ( sedins ) while killing a pp. with a comfortable lead of 3-0 you put big kass up front to keep them honest and send a frigggin message you are gonna have to answer to him! just remember the scf in 2011 the bruins had their way with the sedins and we had no answer for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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