aGENT Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 well I hope there is, but a 9th? It shocked more than just myself on draft day. I think after all the circus leading up to that moment that in trading CS for a decent pick was bizarre to say the least, never mind that I think we didn't get enough from a team with a glut of D prospects. I don't know where you've been but goalies don't exactly tend to get traded for great return. Best case scenario is Gillis would have traded Schneider at the deadline instead and likely would have got an extra late second/early 3rd pick thrown in the deal. Would that extra pick have been nice? Sure. Earth shattering difference? Hardly. Mountain...molehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 You were out of line with your comment at the end. Plain and simple. yes, of course, because in any context, Burrows biting somebody is wrong, especially when the man appears in the sig of a poster who claims respect for the Canucks is brimming full... I think there is a little more going on here or should I just say, "don't bite me, Burr". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 I don't know where you've been but goalies don't exactly tend to get traded for great return. Best case scenario is Gillis would have traded Schneider at the deadline instead and likely would have got an extra late second/early 3rd pick thrown in the deal. Would that extra pick have been nice? Sure. Earth shattering difference? Hardly. Mountain...molehill. I disagree. Hard to put a real value as most teams don't trade a young starter with massive potential. Still, the return was lacking. We didn't even get a roster player, with Lu rocking in the corner yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 You broke forum rules. Deal with like an adult. Or don't... I am. I find it amusing really. Don't bite me, Burr! See, I have learned from "it". "It" being the experience, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I disagree. Hard to put a real value as most teams don't trade a young starter with massive potential. Still, the return was lacking. We didn't even get a roster player, with Lu rocking in the corner yet! I can't seem to find the article but one was posted here a couple weeks ago (anybody knows where it is feel free to post it) that reviewed historical trades of quality goaltenders. Examples from Roy to even Lu coming to Van and the return for all of them was quite underwhelming. Fact is for whatever reason goaltenders have FAR more limited value via trade. You simply couldn't be more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I am. I find it amusing really. Don't bite me, Burr! See, I have learned from "it". "It" being the experience, of course. I think maybe it was more the pom pom and mommy remarks that got you in trouble there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 I can't seem to find the article but one was posted here a couple weeks ago (anybody knows where it is feel free to post it) that reviewed historical trades of quality goaltenders. Examples from Roy to even Lu coming to Van and the return for all of them was quite underwhelming. Fact is for whatever reason goaltenders have FAR more limited value via trade. You simply couldn't be more wrong. Wrong? What did a young Lu fetch in trade, once upon a time? a 1rst rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 I think maybe it was more the pom pom and mommy remarks that got you in trouble there for sure. Next time you see a real insult, make sure to PM the mod then. I think I will change my user name to Bite me, Burr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Wrong? What did a young Lu fetch in trade, once upon a time? a 1rst rounder? A nearly washed up and scandal ridden Bertuzzi, backup Auld and perennial mediocre d-man Allen for Lu and Krajicek. We basically sent a bunch of has beens and never was spare parts for arguably the best goalie at the time and another spare part. As I said. Underwhelming. It was commonly understood that Vancouver "fleeced" FLA. There are many other examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I think maybe it was more the pom pom and mommy remarks that got you in trouble there this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 for sure. Next time you see a real insult, make sure to PM the mod then. I think I will change my user name to Bite me, Burr! Also available "sexist1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Montreal Canadiens traded Patrick Roy and Mike Keane to the Colorado Avalanche for Andrei Kovalenko, Martin Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault. Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 I can't seem to find the article but one was posted here a couple weeks ago (anybody knows where it is feel free to post it) that reviewed historical trades of quality goaltenders. Examples from Roy to even Lu coming to Van and the return for all of them was quite underwhelming. Fact is for whatever reason goaltenders have FAR more limited value via trade. You simply couldn't be more wrong. Yeah I posted something like that, but it was more like a few months ago /.... I'll see if I can track it down again all though I have no idea where I foung it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 this moron, idiot, mommy and it... some of these things are ban worthy, depending, I guess. Off to change my name . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Montreal Canadiens traded Patrick Roy and Mike Keane to the Colorado Avalanche for Andrei Kovalenko, Martin Rucinsky and Jocelyn Thibault. Ouch cause the had no goalie? So hell bent on being right... also, those were some high end players at the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 cause the had no goalie? So hell bent on being right... also, those were some high end players at the time... Yeah Montreal totally came out of that the winner. In hindsight, the trade was one of the most one-sided deals in NHL history. In 2004, ESPN called Roy's trade to Colorado a steal, and one of the worst moves ever made during the first 25 years of ESPN's existence. Canadiens general manager Réjean Houle at the time had been GM for only 40 days as was Tremblay in his position as head coach, after Corey had fired both head coach Jacques Demers and GM Serge Savard five games into the season. The inexperienced Houle was criticized for making the trade instead of resolving the tension between Roy and Tremblay.[14]Since Le Trade, the Canadiens have won only six playoff series and missed the post-season several times. By contrast, Roy immediately enjoyed great success in Colorado and won two Stanley Cups (including the Cup at the conclusion of the season where he had been traded away from the Canadiens) and two Presidents' Trophies. Montreal Gazette columnist Jack Todd, in reference to other teams that have struggled since making odd personnel decisions, has written numerous times that the Canadiens are under "The Curse of St. Patrick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Yeah Montreal totally came out of that the winner. Better than the Bure trade maybe! Besides, that was completely forced. Totally different situations and returns, neither have you looking like you seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Better than the Bure trade maybe! Besides, that was completely forced. Totally different situations and returns, neither have you looking like you seem to think. I think my vision's a lot clearer than yours buds. I see you've decided not to take your warning like an adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACIC Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 LAHEY!!! WHAT HAS GOTTEN INTO YOU???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 One thread and two warnings later, I have a new user name. Enjoy! Kinda foggy about the reasoning on the second one. The word moron appears 94 times in my search and idiot was at 74. I didn't search for mommy or it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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