Tre Mac Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 How is Torts not an offensive coach? He has said multiple times he wants his players to err on the side of aggression, he always wants the defensemen pinching in and jumping up in the play, etc etc. He heavily values continuous forecheck, etc. What more do you want? Yea until they get a lead then they sit on it like its a egg about to hatch. Last game up 2-1 on Florida, where was the aggression? D man pinching? He can say all the things he wants fact is both the rangers and now the canucks are at the bottom of scoring and the now playoff race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Hmmm...interesting thought. I still think we'll get out of this funk this year and at least make the playoffs, but what if we don't? What if playoffs are a long-shot at best come the deadline? Who do you think Gillis might try to move? Edler? Kesler? Bieksa? Burrows? If we have actually fallen off the map to the point of not making the playoffs, I would consider moving all four of those guys for younger players/prospects. Then finish the year with: Sedin - Sedin - Kassian Higgins - Santorelli - Hansen Dalpe - Richardson - Booth Archibald - Welsh - Weise Hamhuis - Tanev Garrison - Corrado Alberts - Stanton That's actually not a TERRIBLE lineup (not playoff-worthy, but again, we're assuming that neither is the current team here). Then, next season, add some youth, which we should have a king's ransom worth of from moving 4 key guys. We will also have a TON of cap room, so we can add 1-2 key free agents. Either it works, and we're set for the next 4 years; or it doesn't, and we at least have a shot at McDavid. If you take away the sedins we are worse then the oilers in terms of offense from the forwards. And there is no way we get McDavid cause there is no way we can get the 1st Overall (New CBA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snucks Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yes you need is speed but we didn't have that and when we did it was a player with no hands. Booth was the closest to that but it was it enough. Look at Boston they use speed too(Krecji,Marchand and Bergeron are fast skaters and get goals cause of their speed). Yes you need is speed but we didn't have that and when we did it was a player with no hands. Booth was the closest to that but it was it enough. Look at Boston they use speed too(Krecji,Marchand and Bergeron are fast skaters and get goals cause of their speed). Raymond is doing quite well in Toronto but with the Canucks his back was broken by Boston. Any toughness Canucks had in that series is gone. Raymond did not like the dirty areas but could skate.Oh well ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snucks Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Actually the breaking of Mason Raymonds back was also the breaking of a pretty good team at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Raymond is doing quite well in Toronto but with the Canucks his back was broken by Boston. Any toughness Canucks had in that series is gone. Raymond did not like the dirty areas but could skate.Oh well ! Raymond is not what I meant I meant guys like Grabner who has explosive speed with a god set of hands so that he can blast past defenders and score goals on the goalie. Like this... Chicago and Ottawa are very good at finding these type of guys I suggest we try to find some too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~AngelBelle~ Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Honestly the loss of salo was a bigger hit than the hoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 If you take away the sedins we are worse then the oilers in terms of offense from the forwards. And there is no way we get McDavid cause there is no way we can get the 1st Overall (New CBA) ??? Every team that misses the playoffs has a shot at first overall... the odds for the teams higher in the standings are far better under the new CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 ??? Every team that misses the playoffs has a shot at first overall... the odds for the teams higher in the standings are far better under the new CBA. K come back to me when we (or any other Canadian team) actually has a first overall from this point on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 If you take away the sedins we are worse then the oilers in terms of offense from the forwards. And there is no way we get McDavid cause there is no way we can get the 1st Overall (New CBA) And if my auntie had a d... she would have been my uncle. Oilers sucked for so long, that 85% of the fans here would have been supporting other teams or other sports. Better forwards or not, If you would like us to be in same boat just ask yourself if you want to be the Oilers the last 6-7 years. I'm glad we're not and sure glad management don't want that neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 And if my auntie had a d... she would have been my uncle. Oilers sucked for so long, that 85% of the fans here would have been supporting other teams or other sports. Better forwards or not, If you would like us to be in same boat just ask yourself if you want to be the Oilers the last 6-7 years. I'm glad we're not and sure glad management don't want that neither. Trust me I don't want to be the oilers I like watching my team compete and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Bellick^ Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 He had 5 ppg on the second unit here... and who could forget this Sigh. The turning point game the Canucks turned into an under achieving team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 kes is too much of pretty boy since he got his Selke he never drops the gloves he tries to be the big goal guy instead of mucking we need more of Sutter workmanship out of him but he struts around like he is Stamkos. This team is in need of a big body in their top 6 who is hard to knockoff the puck down low and a big speedy guy on our third line who wants to put the other guys through the glass or on their @$$ each shift and 1 less lefty replaced by a legit right handed speedy puck rusher in the top 4 D pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 Honestly the loss of salo was a bigger hit than the hoff Yes it made it hoffs loss a lot worse too cause we lost two great pp defensemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Hi guys I have seen many people try to explain why this team has fallen and what we can do to fix it but there are some things that are so big they might never be fixed. 1. Different Mentality after cup loss Many of us noticed after the cup loss how the team had "Lost its drive and confidence". Although the team the won the presidents trophy. It struggled mightily during the last half of the season and had trouble scoring. Everyone knew this was not the same team we saw the year before. 2. Serious injuries to key players Kesler has sustained many injuries since the 10/11 playoffs many of which he was playing through which made them even worse by seasons end. He is no longer the selke winner we once knew who could shutdown teams top lines centers like Toews and Thornton. The points he is getting don't tell the story of how he used to play as it was defense not offense that made him the player he was. Daniels concussion from the keith elbow has hurt this team even more so than keslers as the sedins are the lifeblood of the team. More often then not if they don't produce the team has ended up losing games. Daniel has 19 goals in 70 games since the concussion and has no goals in playoffs since it occurred. His shots are no longer as fast and accurate as they once were and he has lost his "sniper status" on this team. There were also many ill time injuries to players like Booth etc. 3. Losses/decline of key offensive players Although their point totals may have been replaced by other players on the team. The grade A scoring opportunities and depth scoring weren't. Whether we admit it or not, Erhoffs departure was became a huge loss to the team as he was one of our best puck moving defense men and power play specialist. Although Edler and Salo somewhat replaced his point totals the following season, the intangibles Erhoff brought were never effectively replaced. The loss of Erhoff was made worse when the aging and declining Salo left the team and was replaced with a player who could not bring what Salo brought to the power play and instead with a shot that often missed the net. The loss of Hodgson after the 2011/12 season was huge in that he had scored many game tying goals and made comebacks much more realistic for the team. His skating and size was never there but his clutch goal scoring was. It came as no surprise to many that when the teams top players slowed down and another helped out in the off games that when that player was traded the offense went dry. 4. Large Increase in the quality of competition in the Western Conference(main reason) With the exception of 3 teams(Predators, Flames,Oilers) every team has gotten significantly better and have achieved much better results because of it while the canucks have been regressing. In 2010/11 the canucks were one of a few teams that were contenders. Now in 2013/14 there are more than 8 teams in the conference who can possible contend to win the cup. Each team has a much better defense and offense then years before. The canucks have no question declined but the other teams have rose. With players like Richards,Carter,Ribero, Seguin Parise, Pominville,Cole, Havlat, Heatly heading west its no surprise the west has become a tougher place to play. 5. Lack of prospect success While other teams were having lots of success with their prospects and having them make the team the canucks have had few forward prospects to offset the losses and injuries sustained at the position. The future is bright With a good draft this year and many prospects from previous years developing well the canucks have many players to look forward to: Shinkaruk,Horvat, Gaunce, etc. your first reason is the one I like the most. They seemed really deflated after that. Yiu can definately find fault with our goaltending in certain games in2011 but the reason we didnt win the cuo was injuries. We were too banged up to beat a healthy bruins team. I would be a seller at the deadline of any players we can replave by free agency in the offseason. Would edler accept a trade to the wings if he was asked? Mike gillis didnt necessarily screw up by giving out ntc, s but whyd he have to go and say he would never ask them to waive. Whats the harm in asking a guy like edler if he is interested in goingvto the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 your first reason is the one I like the most. They seemed really deflated after that. Yiu can definately find fault with our goaltending in certain games in2011 but the reason we didnt win the cuo was injuries. We were too banged up to beat a healthy bruins team. I would be a seller at the deadline of any players we can replave by free agency in the offseason. Would edler accept a trade to the wings if he was asked? Mike gillis didnt necessarily screw up by giving out ntc, s but whyd he have to go and say he would never ask them to waive. Whats the harm in asking a guy like edler if he is interested in goingvto the wings. That could backfire big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raph Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Honestly the loss of salo was a bigger hit than the hoff That's not a good argument for giving up Ehrhoff. The fact is, neither of them are on the team and we have no player to QB or a player to make a good first pass. All 4 of our high paid defensemen are all of the same type of player. Having Ehrhoff and/or Salo around complemented the team, especially when paired with Edler. Edler plays his best when all he has to worry about is making hits and unloading shots. WIthout a good puck handler like Ehrhoff or Salo to play with, he carries grenades everywhere he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedMachine Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 We got worse because we hassled the "Hoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Honestly the loss of salo was a bigger hit than the hoff Salo was once a fantastic defenseman - but he was pretty average after coming back from the achilles injury. He would have great starts to the season, but the wear and tear of the year would render him ineffective. In our cup run he had a great game 4 against the Sharks on our playoff run, but only had 2 assists in the other 20 playoff games. At his age, and with all of the injuries, I'm not surprised though. I'm glad we didn't sign him to the money and term Tampa did. It's not getting any better - he had 5 points in his first 6 games, but hasn't had a sniff in the 13 games since (and is -5 in those games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 Salo was once a fantastic defenseman - but he was pretty average after coming back from the achilles injury. He would have great starts to the season, but the wear and tear of the year would render him ineffective. In our cup run he had a great game 4 against the Sharks on our playoff run, but only had 2 assists in the other 20 playoff games. At his age, and with all of the injuries, I'm not surprised though. I'm glad we didn't sign him to the money and term Tampa did. It's not getting any better - he had 5 points in his first 6 games, but hasn't had a sniff in the 13 games since (and is -5 in those games). His stats in Tampa mean nothing. He had developed chemistry with the sedins since they first entered the league and that's something you can't replace on the PP or on the rush with the sedins. He also made Edler a much better player as edler didn't have to worry about defense as Salo was (when healthy) great in his own end. But he was asking for too much so we had to let him go and was starting to become a very slow player. It was a unfortunate situation for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The best part about Salo was they could have signed him at avery reasonable cost for a 2 year contract and allow Tanev to come along and take his place. Rather than release Salo pay double the money to Garrison for a loooong term contract and then complain they don't have Cap Space to sign a top 6 forward. Cap management has been the primary reason for the Vcr slump. Terrible IMO mismanagement of Cap/Roster....to many clones and not enough difference makers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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