oldnews Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Leafs Looking? TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger told TSN Radio 1050 on Tuesday that Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Dave Nonis is rumoured to be looking for a top four defenceman. Dreger reports that The Maple Leafs are only interested in 'hockey moves' and would probably prefer to stay away from a rental player. Dreger adds there's still the possibility that a Jake Gardiner type of trade occurs - but only if the rate of return is acceptable. Another Flame On The Block? Waiting On Erat Washington Capitals GM George McPhee will be asking disgruntled forward Martin Erat again if he wants to be traded. "I don't think that's going to change," McPhee told Chuck Gormley of CSNWashington.com. "I'll talk to him when he gets back and if he still wants to be traded, we'll try to accommodate him. "It's been a difficult year with transactions. Had this been a typical year we might have been able to move him within weeks of his request, but that wasn't the case this year." Diaz for Gardiner. Diaz is a top 4 in Toronto (or as close as they're going to get for Gardiner lol) - and likely to get pushed out of the lineup when Bieksa and Tanev return. First instinct might be to assume this isn't fair value, but I think that Gardner has been on a roller coaster from overvalued to bust status and back to reasonable NHL talent that is expendable due to Rielly. I offer them Diaz. If they're insulted I don't give a damn, if they're wise enough to accept (Diaz is under-rated imo) then they've cut a reasonable 'hockey trade'. And then everyone clamoring on CDC for a puck mover can see how Gardiner fits - at a reasonable cost. (Dale Weise ) If Calgary would like to move Glencross, then there's something to talk about - we'll give you Booth and a pick Burkie - you need the pick because despite the extras you picked up recently, they were mispent as usual by Feaster. Erat for Booth. Why not? I'd love to see Erat have a shot on Kesler's wing - could be just what they both need - and otherwise, no great loss - Booth is not fitting well - and that's about all the leverage McPhee has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I think the Erat for Booth deal could still make sense. I really don't now what MG and LG have planned for the offseason though. Ditto for Washington. They're in as much disarray as any team in the league. Which way are they going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Diaz for Gardiner. Diaz is a top 4 in Toronto (or as close as they're going to get for Gardiner lol) - and likely to get pushed out of the lineup when Bieksa and Tanev return. First instinct might be to assume this isn't fair value, but I think that Gardner has been on a roller coaster from overvalued to bust status and back to reasonable NHL talent that is expendable due to Rielly. I offer them Diaz. If they're insulted I don't give a damn, if they're wise enough to accept (Diaz is under-rated imo) then they've cut a reasonable 'hockey trade'. And then everyone clamoring on CDC for a puck mover can see how Gardiner fits - at a reasonable cost. (Dale Weise ) If Calgary would like to move Glencross, then there's something to talk about - we'll give you Booth and a pick Burkie - you need the pick because despite the extras you picked up recently, they were mispent as usual by Feaster. Erat for Booth. Why not? I'd love to see Erat have a shot on Kesler's wing - could be just what they both need - and otherwise, no great loss - Booth is not fitting well - and that's about all the leverage McPhee has. Not even close to fair value for Gardiner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 I dont see Subban being worth a whole lot. There is a plethora of goalie talent out there right now I am not saying Malcolm would be expensive. What I am saying though is it is intriguing to think if we could obtain Malcolm as well as Jordan whether or not we could somehow have PK Subban want to sign in vancouver in the very near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I am not saying Malcolm would be expensive. What I am saying though is it is intriguing to think if we could obtain Malcolm as well as Jordan whether or not we could somehow have PK Subban want to sign in vancouver in the very near future PK is a RFA. Even if PK signed an offer sheet with Vancouver at a reasonable price to play with his brothers you can be sure that Montreal would match instantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I am not saying Malcolm would be expensive. What I am saying though is it is intriguing to think if we could obtain Malcolm as well as Jordan whether or not we could somehow have PK Subban want to sign in vancouver in the very near future I wonder what it would take to get Malcolm here. He was a 1st round pick. Maybe if we end up in selling mode here, we could send a roster player the Bruins' way. They could maybe use Yannik Hansen as bottom 6 depth or they would probably want Tanev because they are a little short on defense. They would have to add though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzy Desjardins Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I could see that happening. Vancouver Subbans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Not even close to fair value for Gardiner Suck it Nonis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Surprised to see teams like Chicago and Philly as being older. I should have worded my response better. I was more referring to the age of the core group. That was a misleading link. That is just the average age. All the players ages added up and then divided. A team like Philadelphia only comes off as old in that stat because they have Timonen, Streit, Pronger (still on the roster), Lecavaliar, etc. factored in. Even though in reality only 2 forwards on that team are over 30 years old and only 2 defensemen are over 30. The only other 30 year old is the back up goalie. Though you are correct with the core comparisons when looking at team age its best to look at the core and the individual ages as one 40 year old teammate will throw off the average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 PK is a RFA. Even if PK signed an offer sheet with Vancouver at a reasonable price to play with his brothers you can be sure that Montreal would match instantly Ya know...as great as PK is in Montreal, he drives the coach crazy! Therrien is a bit of a dick and the fact that they don't get along will probably put them at crossroads. One will have to go. 8+ mil per season for 5 or 6 is alot of money to put into someone the coach doesn't have as much faith in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 PK is a RFA. Even if PK signed an offer sheet with Vancouver at a reasonable price to play with his brothers you can be sure that Montreal would match instantly Ill be honest...P.K. at the expense of 4 1st round picks is not something I want to do...Naturally a consideration but he is no Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Ya know...as great as PK is in Montreal, he drives the coach crazy! Therrien is a bit of a dick and the fact that they don't get along will probably put them at crossroads. One will have to go. 8+ mil per season for 5 or 6 is alot of money to put into someone the coach doesn't have as much faith in.... I think the reports of Therrien and PK having issues are overblown. But even if they aren't, the coach will be gone before the 25 year old Norris winner. Especially if the only return is draft picks. PK is ahuge part of the young core Bergevin is building in Montreal, no way he goes anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I could see that happening. Vancouver Subbans What would it take to get montreal to think about moving PK? Tanev (young D with potential), Edler (top for 4), 1st, Booth (cap movement, but they need size) For PK, Bourque (cap movement, but we need goals), 2nd Probably an overpayment on our part but PK is a game changer, they don't get that type of player in return with Tanev, Edler. They do get a 1st round pick which has potential to become a impact player but still low value right now. I think if canucks were serious about him, why not wait to the end of the season on draft day to make a big move like this, if PK doesn't seem likely to re-sign his value could be a lowered as well as canuck would know exactly the full value of there 1st round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 What would it take to get montreal to think about moving PK? Tanev (young D with potential), Edler (top for 4), 1st, Booth (cap movement, but they need size) For PK, Bourque (cap movement, but we need goals), 2nd Probably an overpayment on our part but PK is a game changer, they don't get that type of player in return with Tanev, Edler. They do get a 1st round pick which has potential to become a impact player but still low value right now. I think if canucks were serious about him, why not wait to the end of the season on draft day to make a big move like this, if PK doesn't seem likely to re-sign his value could be a lowered as well as canuck would know exactly the full value of there 1st round pick Honestly that's a terrible package for Subban. Take Bourque and Booth out because they're essentially the same player. So Tanev (decent young defensive Dman with little to no offensive upside), Edler(offensive defenceman who has struggled mightily since back surgery, cant score and has close to the worst +/- in the league) and a 1st for a 25 year old Norris winning defenceman who is still getting better AND a 2nd? 28 other teams would be able to top that offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Honestly that's a terrible package for Subban. Take Bourque and Booth out because they're essentially the same player. So Tanev (decent young defensive Dman with little to no offensive upside), Edler(offensive defenceman who has struggled mightily since back surgery, cant score and has close to the worst +/- in the league) and a 1st for a 25 year old Norris winning defenceman who is still getting better AND a 2nd? 28 other teams would be able to top that offer Couldn't agree more. For example, if the Jets were to part with Evander Kane and a pick (3rd), they would be able to land Subban faster than the Canucks could; assuming the Canadiens are stupid enough to get rid of a Norris defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 PK is a RFA. Even if PK signed an offer sheet with Vancouver at a reasonable price to play with his brothers you can be sure that Montreal would match instantly Yes but PK can set the terms of his contract and argue about a single year deal that gets him out of Montreal. It's possible, unlikely but hey why not. Vancouver is family friendly. Bure's, Courtnall's and Sedins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I think we'd be better off targeting Markov than PK if the recent rumours are true. Maybe he could be had fairly cheaply at the deadline or, probably more preferable, would be to offer him a two year contract in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 What would it take to get montreal to think about moving PK? Tanev (young D with potential), Edler (top for 4), 1st, Booth (cap movement, but they need size) For PK, Bourque (cap movement, but we need goals), 2nd Probably an overpayment on our part but PK is a game changer, they don't get that type of player in return with Tanev, Edler. They do get a 1st round pick which has potential to become a impact player but still low value right now. I think if canucks were serious about him, why not wait to the end of the season on draft day to make a big move like this, if PK doesn't seem likely to re-sign his value could be a lowered as well as canuck would know exactly the full value of there 1st round pick Okay no. It's going to cost way more than that to get Subban. Try something like Tanev, Edler, Horvat, Jensen and a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yes but PK can set the terms of his contract and argue about a single year deal that gets him out of Montreal. It's possible, unlikely but hey why not. Vancouver is family friendly. Bure's, Courtnall's and Sedins IF Subban will only sign a 1 year contract THEN Montreal could look at trading him for a substantial return that will help the club immediately rather than drfat picks spread out over 3 or 4 years that may or may not pan out. The offer sheet route almost never works, Anything Vancouver could afford to pay him, Montreal could afford to pay him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Okay no. It's going to cost way more than that to get Subban. Try something like Tanev, Edler, Horvat, Jensen and a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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