JE14 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Unbelievable that people think that a player agent with no previous GM experience is irreplaceable. Honestly, we could hire a competent GM, not even a great one, and he would bring more than Gillis brought in the last two years. He`s done nothing since 2011 to make this team better. He got it right then, but since then has only let the team regress. In 2012 this team was in a position to go on another run, and his best move is to trade a stud rookie for an unproven player, and sign a washed up Pahlsson? Trade Schneider that year for scoring and we likely get past LA and who knows? A couple good drafts and UFA signings doesn't change the fact that he has failed to improve this team for 3 years. 33 points in 63 games equals a stud rookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Two superstar goalies for two unproven prospects and a third line center? Not only did that not help us now, it leaves us with no clear cut number 1 goalie going forward. That's a huge gamble. Don't kid yourself, the goalie situation was botched from the get go. If Gillis had any smarts, he would have traded Schneider when he had the chance and added a guy like Jeff Carter. But he's too patient to be an effective GM. You're living in a fantasy world if you consider Luongo a superstar goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 ya by hiring him in the first place Ya it's not like we had the most success this franchise has ever had during his tenure or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 33 points in 63 games equals a stud rookie? 4th on the team in scoring with 16 goals... Yea, he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 You're living in a fantasy world if you consider Luongo a superstar goalie. He was two years ago after going to the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis Hipcheck Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Unbelievable that people think that a player agent with no previous GM experience is irreplaceable. Honestly, we could hire a competent GM, not even a great one, and he would bring more than Gillis brought in the last two years. He`s done nothing since 2011 to make this team better. He got it right then, but since then has only let the team regress. In 2012 this team was in a position to go on another run, and his best move is to trade a stud rookie for an unproven player, and sign a washed up Pahlsson? Trade Schneider that year for scoring and we likely get past LA and who knows? A couple good drafts and UFA signings doesn't change the fact that he has failed to improve this team for 3 years. A player agent who did a fricken unbelievable job restocking our prospect pool and getting the canucks into the playoffs in all but one season. What did our previous GM do? Strip our prospect cupboard bear WHILE missing 2 playoffs and reaching semi finals ONCE in 4 years. Gillis traded Connauton, who in no way shape or form was going to outplay any of the defensemen that were in our top 6 that season. EVERY fan was saying 'GILLIS GRAB A 3RD LINE CENTER! WE NEED ONE". And he grabs a quality one with minimal payment. Hindsight is 20/20 DeNiro. A couple of good drafts and UFA signings is way better than what half the league's GMs has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 He was two years ago after going to the finals. And two years ago, Gillis was a good GM according to you. I guess he's still a good GM then. Pick a time and stick with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliced Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 It's the end of the process. I have mixed feelings but one important thing Gillis failed at was bringing in scoring forwards. The guys the team relies on to score are much the same as when he took over the team only now they are older and slower. Process...process. Process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagofcats Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Could someone explain to me how this is a bad decision? I've thought about it for hours and really don't get it. 3 years ago this team was great and then Gillis made it worse, more so every year. Issues from 3 years ago are still here. -No top Puck moving defenseman -No top-six forward. -Still lacking team toughness. -Overrated defense. -Consistency issues. -Terrible scouting. -Too many NTCs. And now all these things are coming back to bite him and it's his own fault. Owners have been too lenient on him already and should have fired him after the Lou deal. You don't trade a Gold Medal winning franchise goalie for a 3rd liner and a goalie who is 24 and "not ready." That's embarrassing and inexcusable. Especially after trading your potential franchise goalie for another 3rd liner. It's a process for losing your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Things simply don't add up. Ownership filing lawsuits denying they had a say in the Tortorella hiring? Really? And yet Tortorella remains after a horrible season in which he was suspended for losing absolute control and judgement - and then lost his team altogether - and he outlasts his GM. What was the plan when AV was fired? Whose decision was that btw? Whose plan was it to bring in Tortorella? Was that Mike Gillis' plan? Are we supposed to believe it was also MG's idea to offer Tortorella a five year deal? What leverage did Tortorella have to command a term like that? If Torts were a Gillis hire, wouldn't they be a package fire? What is the plan now? No point firing Torts with 3 games left in the season, he'll be fired in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchsplinters Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Poor decision. Who is actually out there who can do better or actually survive the wrath of Vancouver sports fans and the aggressive, blood thirsty media that inhabits this town? Watch out Trevor Linden. This band of Vancouver hooligans will sell you down the river, no matter how much you are revered or respected at this very moment. It just might be in your best interests to turn down getting involved with the Canucks. Ownership is only interested in money and micro managing a business they know nothing about. You will have to work with a coach that cannot kindle a relationship with his players and you must continually withstand the onslaught of a revengeful fan base will turn on you as well if you do not secure the grail that has for so long eluded them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 And two years ago, Gillis was a good GM according to you. I guess he's still a good GM then. Pick a time and stick with it... Dumb argument. Gillis made good moves in 2011, and since then has made bad move after bad move. Including hiring our current coach whether you believe the rumors or not. One of those bad moves was being unable to react to his goalie situation and backing himself into a corner until he basically had to take whatever teams were offering. If he had traded Schneider like he planned to, this team would be in a much better position today. Instead he banked on a team willing to take Lu's monster contract, and failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Unbelievable that people think that a player agent with no previous GM experience is irreplaceable. Honestly, we could hire a competent GM, not even a great one, and he would bring more than Gillis brought in the last two years. He`s done nothing since 2011 to make this team better. He got it right then, but since then has only let the team regress. In 2012 this team was in a position to go on another run, and his best move is to trade a stud rookie for an unproven player, and sign a washed up Pahlsson? Trade Schneider that year for scoring and we likely get past LA and who knows? A couple good drafts and UFA signings doesn't change the fact that he has failed to improve this team for 3 years. Its not about him being irreplaceable, its about it being the wrong time to replace him, and that the ownership is trying to take control of this team. Things like we have experienced happen in sports, they happened to SJ, and now look at where they are back in contending. This move destroys any chance of us rebounding as far as I'm concerned, it clearly signals a rebuild and depending on who we hire likely another dark era for this franchise. Two superstar goalies for two unproven prospects and a third line center? Not only did that not help us now, it leaves us with no clear cut number 1 goalie going forward. That's a huge gamble. Don't kid yourself, the goalie situation was botched from the get go. If Gillis had any smarts, he would have traded Schneider when he had the chance and added a guy like Jeff Carter. But he's too patient to be an effective GM. Eddie Lack was playing just aswell if not better than Luongo at the time of the trade and he has better stats than Olympians Jimmy Howard & Johnas Hiller. He's a fine starter. And I don't see us matching the offer PHI got for Carter. Goalies don't normally go for a ton, look at what Bernier got, that's probably what Schneider's value was at the time. Doubt it would have landed us Carter, that's alot of wishful thinking. And btw, check the results this team produced in his tenure. not an effective GM right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Poor decision. Who is actually out there who can do better or actually survive the wrath of Vancouver sports fans and the aggressive, blood thirsty media that inhabits this town? Gillis was doing a good job with the media and fans? Could have fooled me. If anything he created a huge wedge between him and the media and turned them against the organization. He constantly questioned fans intelligence by spewing lawyer BS and using misdirection to avoid any sort of blame. I've been a big Gillis supporter in the past, but I've had enough of him not being able to won up to his poor performance as GM. Time for a change whether for better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Dumb argument. Gillis made good moves in 2011, and since then has made bad move after bad move. Including hiring our current coach whether you believe the rumors or not. One of those bad moves was being unable to react to his goalie situation and backing himself into a corner until he basically had to take whatever teams were offering. If he had traded Schneider like he planned to, this team would be in a much better position today. Instead he banked on a team willing to take Lu's monster contract, and failed miserably. That's 100% incorrect. He was in the process of trading the backbone of our franchise. A huge piece that we needed a good return on. Then a lockout happens, in comes a new CBA, and Luongo's value is gone because of it. Is that Gillis's fault? No its not. He didn't back himself into a corner, goal posts where moved on him, and his hands were tied. The ownership group didn't want to retain salary & it forced him into trading Schneider. (I blamed ownership at the time of the trade, and I continue to blame them now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 No point firing Torts with 3 games left in the season, he'll be fired in the off-season. Actually, I think there is a point in firing him with 3 games left, as apparently there was with the timing of firing Gillis. GG could quite easily steer the team through three meaningless games. I'm not buying the storyline for a moment. The Gillis hired Tortorella and offered him a five year term story all on his own story just does not compute. You might assume that Tortorella is done based upon a logical summary of statements / conclusion - but I wouldn't be so sure. There are clearly some less than forthright representations being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Unbelievable that people think that a player agent with no previous GM experience is irreplaceable. Honestly, we could hire a competent GM, not even a great one, and he would bring more than Gillis brought in the last two years. He`s done nothing since 2011 to make this team better. He got it right then, but since then has only let the team regress. In 2012 this team was in a position to go on another run, and his best move is to trade a stud rookie for an unproven player, and sign a washed up Pahlsson? Trade Schneider that year for scoring and we likely get past LA and who knows? A couple good drafts and UFA signings doesn't change the fact that he has failed to improve this team for 3 years. How's this stud rookie on defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Its not about him being irreplaceable, its about it being the wrong time to replace him, and that the ownership is trying to take control of this team. Eddie Lack was playing just aswell if not better than Luongo at the time of the trade and he has better stats than Olympians Jimmy Howard & Johnas Hiller. He's a fine starter. And I don't see us matching the offer PHI got for Carter. Goalies don't normally go for a ton, look at what Bernier got, that's probably what Schneider's value was at the time. Doubt it would have landed us Carter, that's alot of wishful thinking. And btw, check the results this team produced in his tenure. not an effective GM right? When is the right time to replace him? 2 years ago we were out in 5 games, last year we were out in 4. This season was one of the worst in franchise history. Should we wait another season to see how bad he can really make the team? People saying that ownership are trying to take control of the team are just speculating. No one on here can even pretend to know what's going on behind closed doors. Unless you think Botchford is credible. Columbus was desperate for a goalie at the time and was rumored to be very interested in Schneider. Not wishful thinking at all, actually very likely. We may have needed to add, but it still would have likely put us over the top that year. So now Gillis takes credit for all this teams success? That's laughable. The Sedins, Kesler, Luongo, and Burrows all led this team to the next level. Gillis can't even take credit for the coach that was in place. The only thing he can take credit for is a couple good signings, and one good trade. And based on his track record of trades since, it appears that one year was an anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 That's 100% incorrect. He was in the process of trading the backbone of our franchise. A huge piece that we needed a good return on. Then a lockout happens, in comes a new CBA, and Luongo's value is gone because of it. Is that Gillis's fault? No its not. He didn't back himself into a corner, goal posts where moved on him, and his hands were tied. The ownership group didn't want to retain salary & it forced him into trading Schneider. (I blamed ownership at the time of the trade, and I continue to blame them now) Wow, people are really buying his lawyer talk aren't they? So Gillis can do no wrong I guess. It's not his job to know that there was a new CBA coming up and there was a good chance of long term contracts being eliminated. They were only talking about it years before hand. Nope, definitely not the job of the GM to have foresight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis Hipcheck Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 When is the right time to replace him? 2 years ago we were out in 5 games, last year we were out in 4. This season was one of the worst in franchise history. Should we wait another season to see how bad he can really make the team? People saying that ownership are trying to take control of the team are just speculating. No one on here can even pretend to know what's going on behind closed doors. Unless you think Botchford is credible. Columbus was desperate for a goalie at the time and was rumored to be very interested in Schneider. Not wishful thinking at all, actually very likely. We may have needed to add, but it still would have likely put us over the top that year. So now Gillis takes credit for all this teams success? That's laughable. The Sedins, Kesler, Luongo, and Burrows all led this team to the next level. Gillis can't even take credit for the coach that was in place. The only thing he can take credit for is a couple good signings, and one good trade. And based on his track record of trades since, it appears that one year was an anomaly. 1) how long have you watched the Canucks for? Seriously? One of the worst? 2) I assume you're speculating that owners aren't 3) Speculation 4) Which one? Keep on going, I could do this all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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