Tom Sestito Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ^^ sounds like all ready a head ache no thanks Yeah, a talented headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 ^^ sounds like all ready a head ache no thanks He isn't though. Has a great attitude and is a team player. Just that he wants to play and Chicago doesn't give him a chance anytime soon. It's not about the money too as all teams can max offer him $900K max salary + additional bonuses. No doubt Chicago offered that but he declined simply because he's paid his dues in college and is ready to play and he'll get the same contract with whatever team he goes to. More so the Hawks fault for not seeing this beforehand and preparing for it and giving him a chance to play sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 He isn't though. Has a great attitude and is a team player. Just that he wants to play and Chicago doesn't give him a chance anytime soon. It's not about the money too as all teams can max offer him $900K max salary + additional bonuses. No doubt Chicago offered that but he declined simply because he's paid his dues in college and is ready to play and he'll get the same contract with whatever team he goes to. More so the Hawks fault for not seeing this beforehand and preparing for it and giving him a chance to play sooner. Chicago isn't going to give anything to anyone. Everyone has to earn a spot on the Blackhawks and Hayes wasn't even our top prospect. We don't know when Chicago tried to sign Hayes, but if Hayes wanted to finish college (which is his right) there is nothing Chicago could do. We had the exact same situation with another prospect, Johns, who decided to stay with the Blackhawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Chicago isn't going to give anything to anyone. Everyone has to earn a spot on the Blackhawks and Hayes wasn't even our top prospect. We don't know when Chicago tried to sign Hayes, but if Hayes wanted to finish college (which is his right) there is nothing Chicago could do. We had the exact same situation with another prospect, Johns, who decided to stay with the Blackhawks. Yea, your right. No one is at fault here. Chicago has built one of the best organizations in the league (if not the best) because they've set standards and everyone has to earn their spot. Even with Hayes being a top end prospect, they won't let him cheat cause it'd be bad for their system and other prospects would question/doubt their standards and etc. Kevin wants to play and Hawks are saying you have to earn it; unfortunate and both sides just weren't able to agree. Also, been following the Hayes talk all summer and Chitown tried signing him right after they got out of the playoffs. Rumours/reports started circulating a months ago that the 2 sides were off and already stated he would sign elsewhere and he will now. Was pretty obvious since then but yea, no one is at fault here. Just 2 parties that couldn't come to terms for their own respective reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappipappi Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Disagree with the bolded. He will play majority of his ELC in the NHL . Why? Because he wants to play now. He's paid his dues on college playing 4 years there and now 22, he's pretty much done his part. Sure it'd be cool to get him a season under the AHL too but that's stretching it considering he played out 4 years in Boston and patiently developed his game which has prepared him for the now. If he wanted to play in the AHL, he would've stayed in Chicago and signed there. Problem is, Hawks are too deep in the NHL and prospects and it'd take at least 2 years for Kevin to crack the lineup there as a regular. Thus why he is leaving to get icetime elsewhere and I highly highly doubt he plays more than half the year in the minors. Calgary can reunite him with Gaudreau in the NHL which would be scary cause that line dominated in college. Florida can reunite him with his brother. Boston his hometown can use him with the departure of Iggy and slot him in right away to be effective and cap friendly with them kind of cash strapped. And Rags are just an outside shot with Kreider there knowing him. I don't think it matters what he actually wants, he'll have to earn it. He's simply looking for a better opportunity where the competition is less onerous. But based on all reports I've seen, he's a long way from contributing in the NHL in any meaningful way. He's not an elite prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappipappi Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Also, been following the Hayes talk all summer and Chitown tried signing him right after they got out of the playoffs. Rumours/reports started circulating a months ago that the 2 sides were off and already stated he would sign elsewhere and he will now. Was pretty obvious since then but yea, no one is at fault here. Just 2 parties that couldn't come to terms for their own respective reasons. I don't think it was some much that the two sides "were off", as there really isn't much negotiating room in ECL contracts. It was more about hayes wanting to go to a place where he's have a much better chance of beating out inferior competition to win an NHL job right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I don't think it was some much that the two sides "were off", as there really isn't much negotiating room in ECL contracts. It was more about hayes wanting to go to a place where he's have a much better chance of beating out inferior competition to win an NHL job right away. Obviously I don't know for sure but I think you're right, Hayes wants to join an organization where he can make the NHL sooner. While that is certainly his right to do so I don't personally agree with it. I guess Hayes doesn't have faith in his abilities or view himself better than Chicago's other prospects. Maybe not this year, but at least by next season there will be spots for rookies on team. Chicago will be in a cap crunch and need cheap cheap contracts. Also, success at the college level doesn't mean success at the NHL level or even AHL level. Chicago signed former Hobey Baker winner Drew Leblanc a couple years ago and he's been absolutely terrible for the Rockford IceHogs. I doubt he ever makes the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dal Colle Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 C'mon JB sign Hayes before he runs outta haye-stacks and other teams feed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Kevin is officially an unrestricted free agent. Due to this, Hawks receive a 2nd round pick (54th overall) in the 2015 draft as compensation. Wouldn't the 2nd round pick belong to the team that ends up signing him? sounds very unfair for the other 28 teams not involved in the deal if the Hawks were just granted an extra pick by the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Wouldn't the 2nd round pick belong to the team that ends up signing him? sounds very unfair for the other 28 teams not involved in the deal if the Hawks were just granted an extra pick by the NHL. ope the second round will have 31 picks. The blackhawks might even pick up a better player than Hayes considering it's suppose to be a REALLY DEEP draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Could we sign and trade him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 pointless since he's a UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks.brad Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ouch, a first rounder walking away from his club, that'll hurt any team. His biggest year was this past one with 65 points in 40 games. I watched him and BC play the other day, he seemed to benefit from playing with Gaudreau. We'll see where he lands, he'll no doubt have 29 other teams going after him. if there is any team that won't get hurt its the Hawks. on RW they already have: Kane, Hossa, Smith, and Versteeg... Hayes would not have cracked the lineup anytime soon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Could we sign and trade him? And we would do that because...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 And we would do that because...? because its the only logical thing to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Kevin is officially an unrestricted free agent. Due to this, Hawks receive a 2nd round pick (54th overall) in the 2015 draft as compensation. I'd rather have the pick than Kevin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00bxQb Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I still can't believe that the NHL hasn't closed this loophole yet. They really couldn't extend it to 1 full year before they become a UFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'd rather have the pick than Kevin. So you'd rather have someone like Rodin or Mallet than Hayes? Second round picks seem valuable until they're used. The odds of the player taken with that pick being an impact player are low. Hayes is developing very well and is definitely a player I'd like to have in our system. Imagine our forward depth with Hayes: Right wing: Kassian Vey Virtanen Hayes Left Wing: Jensen Shinkaruk Gaunce (will likely have to shift over) Center: Horvat McCann Cassels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 So you'd rather have someone like Rodin or Mallet than Hayes? Second round picks seem valuable until they're used. The odds of the player taken with that pick being an impact player are low. Hayes is developing very well and is definitely a player I'd like to have in our system. Imagine our forward depth with Hayes: Right wing: Kassian Vey Virtanen Hayes Left Wing: Jensen Shinkaruk Gaunce (will likely have to shift over) Center: Horvat McCann Cassels If that's the way you'd order your depth chart, you have 0 chance of signing Hayes plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I'd rather have the pick than Kevin. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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