zverta Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Unless, Virtanen turns out to be another like Phil Kessel, I see no reason in taking him when this team clearly needs a franchise centreman to bolster the forward group in front of Horvat. Picking a winger that turns out like Lupul or JVR is still great, but not a game changer, and would be a waste of a pick at #6. If any of the centres (Bennett, Draisaitl) were to fall, this team should take them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If the NYI forfeits their 5th pick to Buffalo, I could see Buf willing to flip with us if they like the return price. Say Draisaitl is available at 5, and theyve already taken Reinhart.... I dont see why they wouldnt flip the pick. I agree with many of the analysts in suggesting that considering the quality of players being somewhat even after 5, there could be a lot of movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Nobody should ever go out and trade for someone just because they "are a hometown boy." If those players REALLY wanted to be here they would be asking their agents to request a trade specifically to this team and we'd get those players for cheap. Most likely, Kane doesn't care enough to be here and getting him will cost this team the sun and the moon. The trade would be a massive rip-off and his attitude issues don't help his cause. Also Kane, a goal scorer, would absolutely mesh well with Kesler, a goal scorer . Putting Kane with Kesler would be as disastrous as putting Booth with Kesler because both of them aren't exactly puck distributors. Samuelsson was a shooter.... that worked out pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zverta Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If the NYI forfeits their 5th pick to Buffalo, I could see Buf willing to flip with us if they like the return price. Say Draisaitl is available at 5, and theyve already taken Reinhart.... I dont see why they wouldnt flip the pick. That's a very good possibility with Buffalo having so many 1st rounders this year. But what would it take to move up even one spot in this draft? The Canucks seem like the team on the outside looking in. Every player in the top 5 are worthy to be there, but after that the top 10 seems to be a little less defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyShackleford Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I can see similarities between Virtanen and Corey Perry game. That is the exact same thing I noticed about JV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacare Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 If one of the top 5 drops you obviously take them. But that 6th to 12th is kinda a crapshoot with alot of very similar players, there's only 2 franchise centerman in the draft and they're not falling that low. we've already got an inconsistant power forward(ritchie). we could use a highend defenceman but i dont think fluerys that player, and we could probably get one comparable in the 2nd. what do we need? skill and finishing. Havent had that for a decade. let the guys in charge settle whether its better to take Virtanen or Ehlers. But it should be one of those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo882 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I really like this kid's skill set. Elite speed, great hands, laser shot, physical, drives to the net. What's not to like. Plus he's a North American guy who we don't have to worry about signing with the KHL. However, I still say we take Fleury at 6 as we have more of a need for a top-tier defenseman. But so do a couple of other teams in the top 10. So 1st choice Fleury, 2nd choice Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I really like this kid's skill set. Elite speed, great hands, laser shot, physical, drives to the net. What's not to like. Plus he's a North American guy who we don't have to worry about signing with the KHL. However, I still say we take Fleury at 6 as we have more of a need for a top-tier defenseman. But so do a couple of other teams in the top 10. So 1st choice Fleury, 2nd choice Virtanen. Taking Fleury at 6th? Wow...I'd be shocked if that happened. If we were trying to get Fleury, we would be trading down and getting some more picks. It would be the 6th overall for the 12th pick plus a 2nd and 3rd and 4th round pick and maybe more. Fleury will be taken outside of the top 10. My prediction: 1. Ekblad 2. Reinhart 3. Bennett 4. Draistail 5. Ritchie (Burke's idea) 6. Dal Colle 7. Virtanen 8. Ehlers 9. Nylander 10. Kapanen 11. Tuch 12. Fleury 13. etc... Getting Fleury at 6th would be a disaster. Also, we don't need a defenseman unless its a franchise caliber defenseman or a defenseman with superstar potential. I really don't see how Fleury is that type of defenseman. Especially since we have Garrison, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Tanev and Corrado for the next 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 You dont think the blackhawks or kings or bruins would LOVE Virtanen. You cant teach speed , lethal shooting, and willing physicality . You either got it or you dont. Hes got it! It sucks to say ah man I wish our guy was as fast as him or could shoot like him, no , Virtanen is all those things, hes the best skater and shooter PERIOD! Then why isn't he in the top 5 of any experts list? Where are you getting this all from? The bleacher report? The province? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 If we picked Fleury that early I wouldnt be very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silfverberg Snipes Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Samuelsson was a shooter.... that worked out pretty well. Kane plays like a powerforward whereas Samuelsson played like a Sedin with the bonus of being able to snipe off the half wall. Intelligence made Sammy a key asset because he could play with the Sedins or Kes without missing a beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 A very skilled kid....As far as rankings go,he seems to be all over the map.(anywhere from 6 to 41)..That could be saying something about his inconsistency..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 A very skilled kid....As far as rankings go,he seems to be all over the map.(anywhere from 6 to 41)..That could be saying something about his inconsistency..? Rankings fluctuate through out the year and I don't think he ever left the top 14-15 except for that one guys out to lunch list that had him at 41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Rankings fluctuate through out the year and I don't think he ever left the top 14-15 except for that one guys out to lunch list that had him at 41 Then later changed his mind and said Vancouver will be taking him at number 6. His name is Craig Button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 2 Goals vs Sweden today. Making a case for that #6 spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yeah that second one had shades of Naslund. He seems to have a great release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Then later changed his mind and said Vancouver will be taking him at number 6. His name is Craig Button. Exactly. Just shows you how Button drafts like Gillis General Managed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Exactly. Just shows you how Button drafts like Gillis General Managed. Gillis is gone .. R.I.P. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Virtanen is good but he has a low hockey-IQ. depends if youre willing to take a risk on a guy who, potentially, couldn't make it to the next level because he isn't smart enough. He uses his body on the forecheck against smaller defencemen, pushing through them. He will not be able to do that at the next level. Try to do that to Shea Weber? BONK. Dead. He is inconsistent and has a tendency to think the game at a very very low level. I want him at 10-15. Nothing higher than that, or we waste a top ten pick and give another team the player we could've had with that top ten pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Virtanen is good but he has a low hockey-IQ. depends if youre willing to take a risk on a guy who, potentially, couldn't make it to the next level because he isn't smart enough. He uses his body on the forecheck against smaller defencemen, pushing through them. He will not be able to do that at the next level. Try to do that to Shea Weber? BONK. Dead. He is inconsistent and has a tendency to think the game at a very very low level. I want him at 10-15. Nothing higher than that, or we waste a top ten pick and give another team the player we could've had with that top ten pick. Ehlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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