touchable Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 i love the sedins but they are not willing to sacrifice their body is all im saying and that what we need from the whole team not just our bottom feeders Don't need to sacrifice your body when defenders can are scared to get close enough to touch you because you'll pass the puck through them. Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-tXCaeH_WU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirkcraig Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The Blackhawks also sucked for the better part of a decade to get all that talent. Vancouver would not allow a decade of futility, heads would roll. and got lucky by winning the lottery and moving up from fifth to first to take Kane in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I dislike the premise of this thread, but I will say that a Norris calibre D man is key. Someone who is Captain material or can call an entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 We had like 4 in 2010-2011. Sedins, Kesler and Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 You will all think im nuts here.. but virtanen horvat baertchi will be a cup winning second line... not first.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman60 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 i love the sedins but they are not willing to sacrifice their body is all im saying and that what we need from the whole team not just our bottom feeders The Sedins' are the guys cycling the puck and taking a beating along the boards and you say not willing to sacrifice their bodies? Bloody well get some damn windshield wipers for your glasses and stop drinking so much during the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 We need at least 1 Norris calibre d-man. And 2-3 others at least at Edler level. Defence wins cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 We need at least 1 Norris calibre d-man. And 2-3 others at least at Edler level. Defence wins cups. There will be those who would point out that Nashville had Suter, Weber and Hamhuis (amongst others) back in the say, with Rinne in the net. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 There will be those who would point out that Nashville had Suter, Weber and Hamhuis (amongst others) back in the say, with Rinne in the net. regards, G. Excellent point but they did not have the Sedins to work with. We have them for at least 4 more years. Those Nashville teams were a team full of 3rd liners at forward, kind of like how we are except the Sedins. Also I think trotz had them playing trap style hockey, what a waste of that blueline. I think if we get even one of those type of D-men added to our squad it will make a world of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamth Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Sedins prove they are only super babies in the playoffs and super Stars in season only - enough said lets retire them faster ... Canucks will NEVER win the Cup. Let alone win 4-5 like the Hawks .... As for the fans- being nice doesnt cut it. enough to prove anything. Sedins saying they want the cup and not bring energy when its really needed or PLAYING one way doesnt CUT it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Burke delivered the two Sedins to Vancouver. We went to the cup final. Naslund and Bertuzzi gave the Canucks a good regular season team that had a shot in the playoffs before failing to capitalize. Linden and Bure made the 94 team a contender and almost a winner. Using the Canucks as an example of what you need to win the Stanley cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadali Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 #1 pick is not equal to a superstar (except Crosby & McDavid). Naslund & Bertuzzi were OK players before the trade. Their original team never thought they would become a superstar. If they knew it, they would never trade them. In short, you have to make your own superstars through different ways. The draft is not the only answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 "To win the cup, you need a lot of luck on your side"..."you need to be lucky enough to avoid injuries" Scotty Bowman on Toronto radio. An injury to Keith/Hossa etc. in the first round, and the Hawks can kiss their chance of winning the cup goodbye. Edit: That is a guy who has won 14 cups while in various capacities with different organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFrame14 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I think the topic should be renamed,"you need a franchise d man to win the cup ". Canucks have never had one yet every year whoever wins the cup does. (Except for a few exceptions..Carolina in 05) It's pretty clear that unless we able to draft and develop one on our own, we won't win the cup. Look to 11. We had a bunch of good dmen but not the superstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Great teams make their own luck. If Chicago plays keepaway all game long, then the opportunity for injuries diminishes. Bowman and his disciples have dominated hockey for eons now. All luck? Pffft... Hardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
touchable Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 You will all think im nuts here.. but virtanen horvat baertchi will be a cup winning second line... not first....I don't think you're nuts. Any of those guys COULD become first line NHL players, but if we want to win a cup, we'd probably need more elite players and have those three as scoring depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John.Tallhouse Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Bagels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Burke delivered the two Sedins to Vancouver. We went to the cup final. Naslund and Bertuzzi gave the Canucks a good regular season team that had a shot in the playoffs before failing to capitalize. Linden and Bure made the 94 team a contender and almost a winner. It is becoming clear, through hindsight, that a team needs at least 2 superstars if it is going to win a cup. Chicago, Anaheim, LA, Pittsburgh, Colorado, New Jersey all had this. Carolina, Boston, Tampa maybe or maybe not the years they won. But they are the 3 exceptions in the past 15 years. Conclusion is the heavy majority of cup winners in the last 15 years have had at least 2 or 3 superstars. Maybe 2 or three teams have done it with a balanced roster featuring less stars. So what is Benning going for? Balanced roster and a good team that hangs around and almost gets there? Or should the Canucks be all out (tanking or fluking) for finding 2 superstars to be in the 80% group that wins a cup with at least 2 superstars. Sedins are going to retire in a few years. Our highest draft pick since then is Virtanen at 6. Then Horvat at 9. This looks like Carolina Boston or Tampa (pre Stamkos) not the others. So We may wind up with a good team but a cup contender - probably not. What would you do if you were Benning? Hope to get lucky in the draft or free agency? Settle for making the playoffs each year like Detroit but going nowhere? Or chase success by having some bad years and drafting high? This is the most important decision facing Benning. Hey it's summer...time to think about this stuff... if you were in his shoes, what would you do? It's a simplistic view. To my mind, a team needs a lot of "...and..." to win a Cup. A team needs offensive forwards and good, defensive forwards. A team needs skill guys and physical guys. A team needs a good offense and a good defense. A team needs a good goalie and a team in front of him who plays a good, defensive style.. and so on. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Cychrun and Matthews. Next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 To win a cup you need a few key members.To start you need an elite goalie.Throw in an QB D and a second that can eat minutes.Top off with a Selke 1C and a true sniper.Finally you need a supporting cast that not only buys in, but truly believes.Chicago adjusts to every team, and plays the same way whether 3-0 or 0-3.Edler is good but not a QB. (That was Ehrhoff) Hamhuis is our stay-at-homer.Kes was our Selke and Daniel was (temporarily) our sniper.Supporting cast was just ok. Some are overpaid.Was Lu elite? Maybe that one year we all were. But a few of those guys were having career years. If you can't repeat that for 2-3, you only get one shot. We fell short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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