DeNiro Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The only benefit of this will be more parks and green space, which is good,But for the city to pretend this is anything other than for the purpose of building more expensive condos for the rich, is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Affordable AND market value? Sounds legit.Politicians in this province are so out of touch with what "affordable" actually means.Affordable for who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I don't think for a moment that towers will NOT be put up there. It will immediately become some of the most desirable land in the area and a premium will be paid for it. Of course it will be sold and marketed in asia months before Vancouver as is normal. There is no possible way that they DON'T put towers there. Mayor G has a history with some really shady contractors and developers. I also know that the homeless problem will find suitable camping spots right there as well. And that $200 million price tag..who pays that? Not JUST downtown vancouver residents, all of BC will be pulled in to pay for it, much like the convention center and the roof/reno of BC place and we know then as well that the construction won't start until close to the next provincial election which will give the BC libs the perfect opportunity to swoop in like heroes with an already increasing cost of development with major cash injections via...well, the rest of us in the province. Again, sadly this has happened before. numerous times. I just don't see how it won't happen againFor sure there will towers, I'm 99% sure the developer is already determined. When Concord Pacific gets their way, and they always do, they will have the towers along the corridor, just hopefully not too many. I believe the permits and zoning have already been applied for, or at least are in the process of being done. There are contractual obligations that ol' Mayor No Spine has with Concord that will cost taxpayers even more if he reneges on. I often hear the crying of how BC tax payers outside of the Lower Mainland dislike their taxes paying for infrastructure that they never use. I laugh at your tears. Suck it up and grow a mustache. That's the reality of living in a province with half the population in a relatively small metro area. Here are 3 infrastructure projects outside of the LM picked at random from the BC Prov. website.http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cariboo_connector/index.htm Phase 1 - $240 Mil. Phase 2 - $200 Milhttp://www.th.gov.bc.ca/highwayprojects/Hwy2_Hwy97N/index.htm The budgeted is not complete at this time. $4 Mil in planning this yearhttp://www.th.gov.bc.ca/kickinghorse/index.htm Estimated cost $767-$977 Mil.Here is a link so you can check and see what's happening in your area. http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/tranprojectsbc/Lastly, here's how much of a douche that I'm not. I want my taxes to help with all of these projects to keep our province strong and cohesive. If people want to complain about paying for infrastructure for a small area containing half the tax base, well, I can accept that, it doesn't change that fact they are not victims and should find something better to cry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 This move will also allow another avenue to choke out the DTES. It'll pretty much be surrounded in development. This is the ultimate development plan here. Should have a similar effect on the Strathcona area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 For sure there will towers, I'm 99% sure the developer is already determined. When Concord Pacific gets their way, and they always do, they will have the towers along the corridor, just hopefully not too many. I believe the permits and zoning have already been applied for, or at least are in the process of being done. There are contractual obligations that ol' Mayor No Spine has with Concord that will cost taxpayers even more if he reneges on. I often hear the crying of how BC tax payers outside of the Lower Mainland dislike their taxes paying for infrastructure that they never use. I laugh at your tears. Suck it up and grow a mustache. That's the reality of living in a province with half the population in a relatively small metro area. Here are 3 infrastructure projects outside of the LM picked at random from the BC Prov. website.http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cariboo_connector/index.htm Phase 1 - $240 Mil. Phase 2 - $200 Milhttp://www.th.gov.bc.ca/highwayprojects/Hwy2_Hwy97N/index.htm The budgeted is not complete at this time. $4 Mil in planning this yearhttp://www.th.gov.bc.ca/kickinghorse/index.htm Estimated cost $767-$977 Mil.Here is a link so you can check and see what's happening in your area. http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/tranprojectsbc/Lastly, here's how much of a douche that I'm not. I want my taxes to help with all of these projects to keep our province strong and cohesive. If people want to complain about paying for infrastructure for a small area containing half the tax base, well, I can accept that, it doesn't change that fact they are not victims and should find something better to cry about.The deals that Concord has on the City were struck long before Gregor. All this hate is misplaced.Concord was always going to get more towers in this area, that was part of the original deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I sense more high end, foreign owned, empty dwellings being built around that area soon.That's probably the only way to keep the traffic manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 That's probably the only way to keep the traffic manageable. Less people to complain about all the homeless people squatting in the green spaces too.*Silver linings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The deals that Concord has on the City were struck long before Gregor. All this hate is misplaced.Concord was always going to get more towers in this area, that was part of the original deal. You are right, our fine city has a history of deals with developers. I don't put that all on Gregor. I don't hate Gregor either, but he has been pretty spineless and shortsighted in a lot of what has been allowed under his watch. I'm a Vancouver lifer and I have been interested in local politics and economics for many years. I'm not just "knee-jerk" reacting against all development. The reality is Concord has Vancouver tax payers over a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Politicians in this province are so out of touch with what "affordable" actually means.Affordable for who?Christy Clark specifically is out of touch with a lot of things."Affordable" for people with family money or who owned property before the last boom. It took me saving till 39 to be able to put a reasonable down payment on a 1 bdrm condo in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Christy Clark specifically is out of touch with a lot of things."Affordable" for people with family money or who owned property before the last boom. It took me to saving till 39 to be able to put a reasonable down payment on a 1 bdrm condo in Vancouver.And that's only if you can find steady work that offers half descent pay. The job market in Vancouver isn't exactly hot or well paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 that pretty picture in the OP has the skytrain tracks levelled; not like it is now where it dips and rises to pass under the viaducts. Did they ask Translink on that? Who's paying for that?Also, according to CBC the provincial government owns some of the land under thiose and they weren't 'meaningfully consulted' nor was PAVCOhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/viaduct-removal-todd-stone-1.3293121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 “With the housing crisis that we face, it seems crazy that we would spend tens of millions of dollars to keep an elevated freeway in place on top of acres of city land rather than focus on housing for residents who need it,” Mayor Gregor Robertson said in the council meeting. So I guess that means he wants to build low income housing on prime downtown real estate?haha no kidding, does he even hear himself ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 that pretty picture in the OP has the skytrain tracks levelled; not like it is now where it dips and rises to pass under the viaducts. Did they ask Translink on that? Who's paying for that?Also, according to CBC the provincial government owns some of the land under thiose and they weren't 'meaningfully consulted' nor was PAVCOhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/viaduct-removal-todd-stone-1.3293121 except course that's not true http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=7164170&__lsa=b4d4-bc20 Maybe the province should check their records and they could...oh wait, they apparently can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The only positive I can see out of this if it goes through is the likely end of Mayor Moonbeams tenure as Mayor in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 that pretty picture in the OP has the skytrain tracks levelled; not like it is now where it dips and rises to pass under the viaducts. Did they ask Translink on that? Who's paying for that?Also, according to CBC the provincial government owns some of the land under thiose and they weren't 'meaningfully consulted' nor was PAVCOhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/viaduct-removal-todd-stone-1.3293121Hmm, Canadian Pacific Railway didn't mind when the city of Vancouver tried to tell them how to use their property did they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevforever Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 So more empty "purchased" condos or whatever Pavco wants to build.I dont mind the viaducts coming down so much if there was a better plan for the traffic, the other feeder streets such as Hastings, Pender or Corova are going to get 10x busier esp when construction is happening. Traffic was bad enough when Deadpool was filming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 The only benefit of this will be more parks and green space, which is good,But for the city to pretend this is anything other than for the purpose of building more expensive condos for the rich, is a joke.yes, I think it would be wonderful that there could be cheap condos available for the poor, subsidized by our tax dollars, in expensive buildings. That seems perfectly fair to the middle class working man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 post-removal if the main arteries into DT are to be Pacific and Hastings, both need the lights to be optimized for optimal movement.... And turf the ridiculous 30km/h limit on Hastings; both should be 60. Just tell the hobos to stay on the sidewalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 post-removal if the main arteries into DT are to be Pacific and Hastings, both need the lights to be optimized for optimal movement.... And turf the ridiculous 30km/h limit on Hastings; both should be 60. Just tell the hobos to stay on the sidewalk. Don't worry, the mayor will go..."Due to the huge increase of motor-vehicle traffic down the Hastings corridor, we have decided to add a bike lane to give people an alternative in their daily commutes and to reduce traffic." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 The only positive I can see out of this if it goes through is the likely end of Mayor Moonbeams tenure as Mayor in Vancouver.I thought the bike lanes were gonna do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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