Devon Jade Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Idc for the post. The only thing I'm concerned about regarding this thread is how discombobulated it is! Does everyone on CDC have a broken keyboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, JV77 said: And after getting rid of useful players for absolutely nothing, they are still contenders...How does that work? Look at how many players they had to trade after the 2010 run. And yet still remained a contender. After the 2013 cup, they had to move key players and still remained a contender. After the 2015 cup, they had to trade key players. And again still a contender this year. People have said that they aren't gonna be good anymore after ever single cup... You are seriously missing the point, yes they traded away half the roster basically many times, but they turned it into other good pieces that got them cups, over the years they've had to move Saad, Sharp, Byfuglien, Ladd, Brouwer, Versteeg, Leddy, Bolland, Stalberg, Kopecky, etc. But what did they get out of those pieces? They did quite good with moving those pieces, they got Anisimov, Pokka, Dano, a lot of draft picks and cap space, and other depth players, then they brought Versteeg back for very cheap and he helped them get another cup. They they turned Dano into bringing Ladd back, but then they very recently got sloppy with gaining assets back, RECENTLY they now have turned a lot of quality and quantity into barely some quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Z Hockey said: You are seriously missing the point, yes they traded away half the roster basically many times, but they turned it into other good pieces that got them cups, over the years they've had to move Saad, Sharp, Byfuglien, Ladd, Brouwer, Versteeg, Leddy, Bolland, Stalberg, Kopecky, etc. But what did they get out of those pieces? They did quite good with moving those pieces, they got Anisimov, Pokka, Dano, a lot of draft picks and cap space, and other depth players, then they brought Versteeg back for very cheap and he helped them get another cup. They they turned Dano into bringing Ladd back, but then they very recently got sloppy with gaining assets back, RECENTLY they now have turned a lot of quality and quantity into barely some quantity. I think you're missing the point and what the basic goal is of all 30 NHL teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: Yes Rangers, Nash recently came off an injury, think when he gets going, they also have arguably the best D corp in the league, and just added Eric Staal. Forget about that acquisition did you? Nash-Stepan-K. Hayes E. Staal-Brassard-Zuccarello Kreider-O.Lindberg-J.T. Miller Glass-D.Moore-Stalberg/Fast Girardi-McDonagh Yandle-Boyle M. Staal-Klein Nash doesn't impress me in the playoffs. Didn't forget. Didn't care. Stall hasn't had a sniff for a long time and he might be primed for a run. I haven't seen how well he's fit into their lineup since the deadline, maybe he turns out to be their version of Ladd. If I had a choice I'd take the defensive corps of LA, Chicago, or even Washington over the Rangers. I think they snuck into the finals in a year the east was a bit sloppy, and while they are a decent team I don't see them getting through the rest of the east this year. Tell you one thing though, the west will probably have an actual challenge no matter who gets there. Some stingy teams/goalies coming out of the east this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, Devon Jade said: Idc for the post. The only thing I'm concerned about regarding this thread is how discombobulated it is! Does everyone on CDC have a broken keyboard? Pretty pointless comment, it's called I was typing fast. Don't barge in with your Hawks pics and not give any opinion, info, or insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 During the second intermission of the Rangers/Kings game tonight, Stan Bowman was talking about how he treats this as a business first and foremost and that if you start getting emotional attachments to players, you're never going to go anywhere and I thought this was bang on as to why he's been able to keep Chicago a contender for nearly a decade. While it's easy to say this, Bowman really follows through when he has to make the right business decision on trading players to keep the team playing at an elite level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 55 minutes ago, JV77 said: Their core is fairly young and I'm confident Bowman will do fine. Every year they have new kids in their lineup. Saad, Shaw, Tevo, lose Saad, in comes Panarin this season. Seems like you and the OP rather have good asset management that cups... Agreed...The core players for the Hawks are all young..As long as he has those players,he can afford to slip up..Plus, they're always finding impact players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft (As are the Kings....Should be noted that the Canucks drafting through the 2nd and 3rd rounds has been awful ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 hour ago, JV77 said:They don't need to make many moves when you have Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, and Seabrook locked up. And I would say getting Ladd is a pretty good move. Who has won anything this year? Last time I checked playoffs haven't even started. And I'm sure you like many others said they will be bad after every cup run. Who cares that they have a core locked up? Even Vancouver's core locked up is still good with the Sedins being in the top ten in scoring, we just don't have the top six/nine depth like them, that's where we're really re-building is in that area at the moment. So many teams have just as good a core and a better bottom nine Stars have Seguin, Benn, Sharp, Nichushkin, Goligoski, and Klingberg Ducks have Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, Fowler, Vatanen, and just added Perron, J. McGinn and Pirri, Hawks added Ladd?? Perron, Silfverberg ,McGinn, Pirri >>> Hossa and Ladd (Hossa recently inured AGAIN and right before playoffs) Blues when healthy will have Tarasenko, Steen, Backes, Schwartz, Berglund, Brouwer, Pietriangelo, Shattenkirk Hawks forward group compared to other teams Kings Panarin-Anisimov-P. Kane Lucic-Kopitar-Toffoli Ladd-Toews-Hossa Pearson-Carter-Lecavalier When Gaborik gets healthy, LA Fleischmann-Teravainen-Shaw = Brown-Shore-Versteeg will be just as dangerous as Mashinter-Desjardins-Weise Clifford-King-Lewis Chicago or probably better. Rasmussen/Panik Nolan/Andreoff (Kruger injured) Rangers Panarin-Anisimov-P. Kane Nash-Stepan-K. Hayes Those top six are equal and I'd Ladd-Toews-Hossa E. Staal-Brassard-Zuccarello rather have Kreider, Miller, & Fleischmann-Teravainen-Shaw < Kreider-O.Lindberg-J.T. Miller Moore than Fleischmann, Mashinter-Desjardins-Weise Glass-D.Moore-Stalberg/Fast Weise and Desjardins in my Rasmussen/Panik Megna bottom 9 Lol. Ducks Panarin-Anisimov-P. Kane Perron-Getzlaf-Perry Extremely close matchup, Ducks Ladd-Toews-Hossa Pirri-Kesler-Silfverberg have the edge with their D depth. Fleischmann-Teravainen-Shaw Cogliano-Rakell-J. McGinn Mashinter-Desjardins-Weise N. Ritchie-Thompson-Garbutt Rasmussen/Panik Horcoff/Santorelli (Chris Stewart injured) Stars Panarin-Anisimov-P. Kane Benn-Seguin-Sharp Ladd-Toews-Hossa Hemsky-Spezza-Nichushkin Fleischmann-Teravainen-Shaw = Roussel-Eakin-Janmark Mashinter-Desjardins-Weise Faksa-Fiddler-Eaves Rasmussen/Panik Sceviour/Moen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 hour ago, JV77 said: I think you're missing the point and what the basic goal is of all 30 NHL teams... Yeah....... Ok then... Let me know how Chicagos blueline handles the playoffs with Trevor Van Riemsdyk and his no experience being rushed into top four minutes in the playoffs and freaking Michal Roszival there as depth ahaha. Ehrhoff won't be much help for D depth either. Many other teams like the Rangers D depth would crush the Hawks, Marc Staal and Kevin Klein as their bottom pairing? That's a top pairing on an ok team any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 18 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: Yeah....... Ok then... Let me know how Chicagos blueline handles the playoffs with Trevor Van Riemsdyk and his no experience being rushed into top four minutes in the playoffs and freaking Michal Roszival there as depth ahaha. Ehrhoff won't be much help for D depth either. Many other teams like the Rangers D depth would crush the Hawks, Marc Staal and Kevin Klein as their bottom pairing? That's a top pairing on an ok team any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 No doubt Chicago mortgages their future year after year but with 3 cups and a possible one either this year or next. Having 4 Cups in 8 years means the team will have a strong fan base even by the time the team has to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Green Building said: Nash doesn't impress me in the playoffs. Didn't forget. Didn't care. Stall hasn't had a sniff for a long time and he might be primed for a run. I haven't seen how well he's fit into their lineup since the deadline, maybe he turns out to be their version of Ladd. If I had a choice I'd take the defensive corps of LA, Chicago, or even Washington over the Rangers. I think they snuck into the finals in a year the east was a bit sloppy, and while they are a decent team I don't see them getting through the rest of the east this year. Tell you one thing though, the west will probably have an actual challenge no matter who gets there. Some stingy teams/goalies coming out of the east this season. You'd take Chicagos D over the Rangers?? Ok let's first compare the top four Keith-Seabrook = Girardi-McDonagh Very close matchup in the top four. Hjalmarsson-van Riemsdyk = Yandle-Boyle Bottom pairing goes to NYR, not even close Roszival-Ehrhoff <<< Klein-M. Staal Staal/Klein- +19, 31 points, combined 39:58 ice time. Ehrhoff/Roszival- -11, 20 points, combined 30:39 ice time (Roszival injured or a healthy scratch fairly often) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, JV77 said: Wow you got me there, so what he's got a cup? He was on a cup caliber team, Aaron Rome and Andrew Alberts were depth D men on cup winning teams too, didn't make them great. Roszival is now two years older, slower and this season has already had injury problems and been a frequent healthy scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, iinatcc said: No doubt Chicago mortgages their future year after year but with 3 cups and a possible one either this year or next. Having 4 Cups in 8 years means the team will have a strong fan base even by the time the team has to rebuild. I'm not just talking about mortgaging future, they've lost good veterans in Sharp, Daley, Garbutt, and Scuderi AND then youngsters in Johns and Sekac. Now all they have is Ehrhoff to show for it who will likely walk as a UFA, and Chicago will not be winning the cup again, they will be crushed by much deeper teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: You'd take Chicagos D over the Rangers?? Ok let's first compare the top four Keith-Seabrook = Girardi-McDonagh Very close matchup in the top four. Hjalmarsson-van Riemsdyk = Yandle-Boyle Bottom pairing goes to NYR, not even close Roszival-Ehrhoff <<< Klein-M. Staal Staal/Klein- +19, 31 points, combined 39:58 ice time. Ehrhoff/Roszival- -11, 20 points, combined 30:39 ice time (Roszival injured or a healthy scratch fairly often) Lol are you serious the Rangers defense is so overrated. Girardi is overpaid, overplayed and frankly just not that good anymore. Staal has also declined significantly. Using +/- is a pitiful argument. Maybe you should ask Rangers fans how they feel about their defense. You seem unfamiliar with the Hawks as they have two young defenseman that have really impressed this season in Gus and Svedberg. Ehrhoff has been decent in his brief stretch. Oduya was always overrated, Hjalmarsson was the straw that stirred the drink on that pairing. It is true that the Hawks have not managed their assets very well. Danault, Dahlbeck, 2 1sts, 2 2nds, Paliotta, Saad, Johns, Sharp, Dano were all traded for less valuable assets but what the Hawks could use to win a Cup. They need to capitalize on Keith and Seabrook's remaining years. Asset management goes out the window when you are chasing your 4th Cup in 7 years and a chance at cementing your team as a dynasty. The Hawks time is now, you can never know when that window will close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, Z Hockey said: Wow you got me there, so what he's got a cup? He was on a cup caliber team, Aaron Rome and Andrew Alberts were depth D men on cup winning teams too, didn't make them great. Roszival is now two years older, slower and this season has already had injury problems and been a frequent healthy scratch. End of thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Your not looking at it too 1+1=2. They made bad trades they also aquired arguably the best player traded at the deadline. One does not happen without the other. Adding Ladd makes their lineup much harder to match than they were before said bad trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 48 minutes ago, Toews said: Lol are you serious the Rangers defense is so overrated. Girardi is overpaid, overplayed and frankly just not that good anymore. Staal has also declined significantly. Using +/- is a pitiful argument. Maybe you should ask Rangers fans how they feel about their defense. You seem unfamiliar with the Hawks as they have two young defenseman that have really impressed this season in Gus and Svedberg. Ehrhoff has been decent in his brief stretch. Oduya was always overrated, Hjalmarsson was the straw that stirred the drink on that pairing. It is true that the Hawks have not managed their assets very well. Danault, Dahlbeck, 2 1sts, 2 2nds, Paliotta, Saad, Johns, Sharp, Dano were all traded for less valuable assets but what the Hawks could use to win a Cup. They need to capitalize on Keith and Seabrook's remaining years. Asset management goes out the window when you are chasing your 4th Cup in 7 years and a chance at cementing your team as a dynasty. The Hawks time is now, you can never know when that window will close. I'm not unfamiliar with any team, I never usually use plus minus or stats at all I was just trying to make a point. But regardless of the Rangers D, it is better and all around deeper than the Hawks, I am aware of Gustafsson who's been OK. Shame Edmonton let Gustafsson get away, and Svedberg is in Rockford again. Ehrhoff is only an offensive upgrade on Scuderi, Scuderi has more cup winning experience and leadership. About the Rangers D again, McDonagh is a pretty frickin good 2-way D man and Yandle is still a 50 point great D man, Klein is zoned in defensively always and has had career high in offensive numbers with NYR, Staal is steady and better than Chicagos bottom pairing man in Roszival. Teams are getting stronger around the Hawks and their asset management is getting shakier and they are running out of options. I think St. Louis fully healthy could knock Chicago out in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Z Hockey said: Yeah....... Ok then... Let me know how Chicagos blueline handles the playoffs with Trevor Van Riemsdyk and his no experience being rushed into top four minutes in the playoffs and freaking Michal Roszival there as depth ahaha. Ehrhoff won't be much help for D depth either. Many other teams like the Rangers D depth would crush the Hawks, Marc Staal and Kevin Klein as their bottom pairing? That's a top pairing on an ok team any day of the week. They ran with TvR last year in the playoffs and they turned out fine. Won a Cup riding on Keith, Seabrook, and Hjalmarsson. They'll do the same this postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 56 minutes ago, hammertime said: Your not looking at it too 1+1=2. They made bad trades they also aquired arguably the best player traded at the deadline. One does not happen without the other. Adding Ladd makes their lineup much harder to match than they were before said bad trades. Big deal, LA added Lecavalier, L. Schenn, and Versteeg, then they will get Gaborik healthy next, imagine that top six. Anaheim added J. McGinn and Pirri, with Chris Stewart healthy the Ducks will have a crazy amount of depth, Boston added Stempniak and Liles, Pittsburgh since adding Hagelin, Hagelin has been fantastic with Sid, then they added J. Schultz. Colorado added Boedker, Matthias, and Eric Gelinas. So many teams got just as strong or stronger than Chicago, Ladd means diddly squat for that top six if Hossa gets injured again, which he likely will, they're without Kruger right now too, if Hossa is injured again Chicago is for sure toast. Teravainen, Fleischmann, or Panik, aren't gonna replace him lol. I just don't see the depth they had before compared to previous seasons especially on D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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