aGENT Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 50 points in today's NHL is bordering on 1st line production. Yup I think He's going to be a VERY good 2C (or a just "ok" 1C). If he's our future 1C he's going to need some very dynamic wingers to do any real damage but it's not out of the question...if he can realize that potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Come on 50 is not bordering on 1st line production even by today's standards.. Edited February 18, 2015 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 He's finding a way to contribute every game. Against Minny, he knew he wasn't doing well in the dot, so he just took it up notch everywhere else. More often than not though he is winning more draws than he loses, he's finishing his checks, keeping his feet moving (not just "watching" the game like earlier in the season), being a thorn in the side of anyone coming through centre with the puck, and getting to the net to grind those goals out. Really having fun watching him develop every shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 The thing about Bo is that he's scoring all the garbage goals right now, which is pure determination, knowing to go to the dirty areas and paying the price to get the goals Once his shooting from further out improves and start going in, I could see him easily hit 20 every year, and 30 in his prime, as long as he continues to go to the dirty areas even when his outside shooting improves (which he probably will - Bo knows what it takes to win games) That's what's been fueling his run so far, hard work and a little luck to get pucks near his stick on rebounds. He's been doing lots of good things as well, don't get me wrong, but if that puck luck dries up then we're bound to have some of the naysayers coming back nice and strong. He'll round out his game with some skill, and I think 20 is within reach for sure. I'm hesitant to say 30 but as I've said I'm happy to sit back and enjoy the ride as he develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Yeah his 19.5% shooting is unsustainable and it's bound to dry up eventually, but as long as he continues to do the right thing every game we should be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Come on 50 is not bordering on 1st line production even by today's standards.. Look up points for centres last year -- the bottom three in the top-30 had 54 points. Nine of them are on the same teams, so that means 9 teams' top centres had less than 54 points. Henrik and Bonino were #s 40 and 41, with 50 and 49 points respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Look up points for centres last year -- the bottom three in the top-30 had 54 points. Nine of them are on the same teams, so that means 9 teams' top centres had less than 54 points. Henrik and Bonino were #s 40 and 41, with 50 and 49 points respectively. I don't think that's how it should works Average of 1C productions should be the bar IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I don't think that's how it should works Average of 1C productions should be the bar IMO Not talking averages, talking what 1Cs actually produce. One produced over 100 points, but only 34 others produced more than 50. Nine teams -- 1/3 of the league -- had 1Cs that produced under 54 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) It really doesn't matter if there is a crappy team where their top center happens to produce only 50 or even 40 points.. that center is not a 1C because there is a certain level of expectations to be met for a 1C, and if you are not performing to that standard, then you are not a 1C even if you are the top point producing center on your team That's why some teams can make the claim, "We have a 1A and 1B" - if two of their centers meet the 1C standard And why some teams lament, "We don't have a #1" - if none of their centers meet the 1C standard Edited February 18, 2015 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Oh, so even though every team has a 1C, almost 1/3 of them do not "really" have a 1C. And this is according to the standard of 1Cs, as defined by...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Yes. Here are some of the top producing centers on their respective teams that are not 1st line centers: Girgensons (BUF) Henrique (NJD) Vermette (ARI) - everyone calls him a 2C And some 2nd line centers that are really 1B: Malkin (PIT) Carter (LAK) Johnson (TBL) Spezza (DAL) Pavelski, Couture or Thorton (SJS) - pick whoever you think is 1B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Yes. Here are some of the top producing centers on their respective teams that are not 1st line centers: Girgensons (BUF) Henrique (NJD) Vermette (ARI) - everyone calls him a 2C And some 2nd line centers that are really 1B: Malkin (PIT) Carter (LAK) Johnson (TBL) Spezza (DAL) Pavelski, Couture or Thorton (SJS) - pick whoever you think is 1B Dude, of the top 90 scoring forwards in the league, the bottom 30 are all at a +/- 55 point pace. Very few teams have the luxury of 60+ and 70+ point players filling out their top lines. Even fewer have 80+. Nobody's is saying a ~50 point Bo would be one of the leagues best 1C's, we're saying he'd be a borderline 1C. Stats support that, not your anecdotal feelings on the subject. Given that scenario though we'd likely be a mid-pack team. Edited February 18, 2015 by J.R. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Who cares that he's in the prospect section. i don't think it matters AT ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Dude, of the top 90 scoring forwards in the league, the bottom 30 are all at a +/- 55 point pace. Very few teams have the luxury of 60+ and 70+ point players filling out their top lines. Even fewer have 80+. Nobody's is saying a ~50 point Bo would be one of the leagues best 1C's, we're saying he'd be a borderline 1C. Stats support that, not your anecdotal feelings on the subject. Given that scenario though we'd likely be a mid-pack team. Exactly. And given that scenario, what would everyone be saying? "We're a 1st line center away from contending" Edited February 18, 2015 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshdrvvn Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I like how so many complained about the thread placement, and now the CT version is just a bunch of "next captain!" and "Bo knows.." comments. worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I like how so many complained about the thread placement, and now the CT version is just a bunch of "next captain!" and "Bo knows.." comments. worthless.good. Keep them over there. Also bo sounds pretty cheap lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Exactly. And given that scenario, what would everyone be saying? "We're a 1st line center away from contending" Well what did you think he meant by "bordering on first line production"...? As has clearly been illustrated to you ~55 points is par for the bottom 1/3 of first line NHL players. Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Exactly. And given that scenario, what would everyone be saying? "We're a 1st line center away from contending" The problem is your assertions are completely arbitrary, and based on nothing but your opinion. The FACT is, every team has four lines, and thus has a first line typically composed of the best scorers on the team. Whether that first line is better than every other second line in the league is completely irrelevant. Again -- every team has a defacto first line thus a 1C, and on almost 1/3 of the teams in the league that 1C produced under 54 points last season. All of that is fact, not arbitrary subjective opinion. If you disagree, then tell us how many GMs and coaches would openly say their team does not have a first line or 1C, and the objective standard by which you determine a player to be a 1C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 good. Keep them over there. Also bo sounds pretty cheap lmao lol, totally. he seems like a real frugal small town guy. really down to earth. currently borrowing a car, how frugal can you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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