BC Liberal propaganda website

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Spitfire_Spiky said:

I gotta agree that if everyone did that you would see a difference. I live in Alberta and during our last election that's how the NDP got in. The province is historically conservative with the Wild Rose(Another conservative party that is in Alberta Only) being the opposition but during the last provincial election everyone hated both options as well as the Liberals so everyone voted NDP as throw away/screw you vote to the conservatives and to everyone's surprise the NDP won. The aftermath has been messy to say the least as there are a lot of people not happy with how they are running the show.

Remarkably they jumped on the NDPs backs within days.  Yet never once outside of Red Redfords reign say anything about the last 40+ years of PC rule; which to be honest was a dismal failure as the second prices tanked Alberta was broke.

[BowtieCanuck]

21 hours ago, luckylager said:

The current NDP and the former SoCreds aren't even remotely similar. Never have been, never will be.

That might be true if history doesn't say otherwise. The SoCreds actually basically merged into the NDP in the 90s.
 

[luckylager]

19 minutes ago, BowtieCanuck said:

That might be true if history doesn't say otherwise. The SoCreds actually basically merged into the NDP in the 90s.
 

Oh, guess I was under a rock when the NDP started taking in a bunch of Vanderzalm back benchers.

Without doing any research, I can only assume you have the BC Libs and the NDP confused. The NDP and SoCreds had completely opposite platforms and I don't see how either party could ever take in the enemy.

 

The Libs are very similar to the former SoCreds on all issues. Corporate kneeling and union busting are the first things that come to mind. That being said, all parties are full of crap, loaded with good for nothing, pandering clowns. Democracy is failing.

[luckylager]

1 hour ago, BowtieCanuck said:

That might be true if history doesn't say otherwise. The SoCreds actually basically merged into the NDP in the 90s.
 

Well, I bothered to look around, because I knew how far off base you are.

Spoiler

 being unelected. Longtime cabinet minister Grace McCarthy resigned in protest.

DeclineEdit

Vander Zalm was forced to resign in a conflict of interest scandal in 1991, and was succeeded as party leader and premier by Deputy Premier Rita Johnston, who became the first female head of government at any level in Canada. Johnston then defeated McCarthy in the subsequent leadership election and continued as premier. Johnston had been close to Vander Zalm for several years, leading many to believe her selection as leader had been a mistake. Even NDP opposition leader Mike Harcourt admitted later that he preferred Johnston over McCarthy, as McCarthy would likely have been a much tougher opponent in an election.

Facing a statutory general election, Johnston was unable to make up any ground. She also had little time to reunite the party following the bruising leadership contest with McCarthy. Social Credit was roundly defeated, losing almost half of its vote from 1986. Johnston herself lost her own seat to NDP challenger Penny Priddy. Furthermore, many moderate Socred supporters defected to the Liberals, continuing a trend that dated back to Vander Zalm's tenure. The Liberals vaulted from no seats in the legislature to the Official Opposition. The combined effect was to decimate the Socreds, who were relegated to third place with only seven seats. More party infighting occurred as McCarthy was elected to replace Johnston. McCarthy didn't get a chance to get into the legislature until February 1994, when she ran in a by-election for Matsqui, a longtime Socred stronghold. She lost to Liberal Mike de Jong by fewer than 100 votes.

After that defeat, Social Credit collapsed with dramatic speed. Four of the six remaining Social Credit MLAs elected in 1991 left the party to join the British Columbia Reform Party, leaving Social Credit without official status in the legislature. McCarthy resigned as leader shortly thereafter, and Larry Gillanders was elected to succeed her. After that, Abbotsford MLA Harry de Jong resigned (and briefly contemplated taking up the leadership of the Family Coalition Party). The BC Liberals took the riding in the ensuing by-election, with Social Credit in a distant third. This left only one Socred in the legislature--Cliff Serwa from Okanagan West, which contained much of the Bennetts' former territory.

Social Credit went into the 1996 provincial election in an extremely precarious position. It had not had a full-time leader in the legislature at any point during the previous session. Even worse, Serwa had announced his retirement, leaving it without any incumbents for the first time since 1952. Gillanders took part in the debate of leaders of major parties, but pulled out of the campaign just before the vote and urged all non-socialist parties to present a united front against the NDP. The party was completely shut out of the legislature, garnering only 0.6 percent of the vote. At this point, the party was largely considered a dead force in BC politics, with most of its remaining members joining Reform or the Liberals. The collapse of the British Columbia Socreds within only one term of losing power was especially remarkable considering their Alberta counterparts managed to maintain at least a nominal presence in the legislature for a decade after their defeat in 1971.

In 2001, at the behest of former leader Vander Zalm, the Social Credit Party merged with other minor provincial right-wing parties to form the Unity Party, but soon left due to dissatisfaction with the way the party was run.

In the 2001 provincial election, what remained of the party ran only two candidates. Grant Mitton achieved a respectable showing in Peace River South, placing second with 1,726 votes (17.4%). The other candidate, party president Carrol Barbara Woolsey, in Vancouver-Hastings, placed 5th of 6 candidates with 222 votes (1.15% of the total). The party hadn't had a full-time leader since 2000; Mitton was the de facto leader during the campaign. Mitton left to become leader of the British Columbia Party, leaving Woolsey as de facto party leader. In the 2005 election, only two Socreds filed: Woolsey, who won 254 votes (1.28% of the total) in Vancouver-Hastings, and Anthony Yao, who won 225 votes (0.95% of the total) in Port Coquitlam-Burke Mountain.

The party did not field any candidates in the 2009 general election. In the 2013 election, Woolsey was the only Socred candidate, again in Vancouver-Hastings, receiving 355 votes. Since British Columbia election law mandates de-registration of parties that run fewer than two candidates in two consecutive elections, the party was deregistered by Election BC on June 7, 2013. However, it had existed in name only for some time before then. Its Website had been updated only sporadically since 2005, and hadn't been updated at all since February 2012. Most of its constituency associations had been de-registered in 2008.

Good read eh. Lol - "remaining members went on to join the Reform Party or the BC Liberals".

 

You got it twisted, son.

[kingofsurrey]

Conservative Party destroyed Alberta....

 

So i am a bit scared to vote BC Conservative...... but i  figure what choice do i have........

[luckylager]

Just now, kingofsurrey said:

Conservative Party destroyed Alberta....

 

So i am a bit scared to vote BC Conservative...... but i  figure what choice do i have........

Simple - Don't vote

Conservative.

[kingofsurrey]

2 minutes ago, luckylager said:

Simple - Don't vote

Conservative.

What if we all just spoil our ballets...   If thousands of BC voters just write  on their ballots 

 

ALL BC Politicians are CROOKS    

 

Would this help the system change..... ?

 

Young people tell me they no longer believe in Democracy in BC.

Young people tell me they no longer believe in the corrupt  Corporate mainstream media in BC 

 

I wonder where this province will be in 20 years....  Will anyone even bother voting in 20 years.. ?

[luckylager]

12 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

What if we all just spoil our ballets...   If thousands of BC voters just write  on their ballots 

 

ALL BC Politicians are CROOKS    

 

Would this help the system change..... ?

 

Young people tell me they no longer believe in Democracy in BC.

Young people tell me they no longer believe in the corrupt  Corporate mainstream media in BC 

 

I wonder where this province will be in 20 years....  Will anyone even bother voting in 20 years.. ?

Recently, a friend and I were talking about this exact problem. The solution became clear after a few (dozen) beers. - "None of the above" on the ballot and mandatory voting.

 

If "none of the above" wins - the Prov. Gov is dissolved and another election must be held within 4mos. No Provincial Politicians can receive pay for this layoff period except for EI, if they've been contributing.

 

All current laws / binding agreements etc. remain intact until a new government is elected. Also, every vote should be equal, enough of small communities getting a disproportionate say in provincial matters.

 

If after three consecutive "none of the above" wins, the province will be split into new provinces. New Provinces will be dictated by geography and / or socioeconomic similarities.

 

Failure to vote penalties weren't discussed. I feel the revocation of Charter Rights a bit much, but maybe tax penalties, no welfare, no EI and no passport would suffice.

 

Oh, and all politicians ARE crooks. Until they have more motivation to please the people rather than their corporate handlers, nothing will change.

Just a bunch of self serving cheats. 

[kingofsurrey]

58 minutes ago, luckylager said:

Recently, a friend and I were talking about this exact problem. The solution became clear after a few (dozen) beers. - "None of the above" on the ballot and mandatory voting.

 

I am pretty sure None of the Above  would definately win  the next BC Election.

The people of BC are disgusted with our political choices that are available to us in this province.

 

Thanks for your post. 

 

Spoiling my ballot is looking more and more likely this coming Election.

[Ryan Strome]

25 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

I am pretty sure None of the Above  would definately win  the next BC Election.

The people of BC are disgusted with our political choices that are available to us in this province.

 

Thanks for your post. 

 

Spoiling my ballot is looking more and more likely this coming Election.

Welcome to Canada.

[sameer666]

22 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

Rather eat my ballot than  vote for Christy Clark's group. 

 

BC needs new leadership has become more and more clear. 

 

I am thinking of voting BC Conservative Party this election and most of my friends are talking about  the same thing.....

Green party is another option. 

If you truly believe and want different leadership, NDP is your only true option. No one else stands a chance of winning, and voting green or conservative would just be throwing your vote away. 

[JM_]

On 2017-01-22 at 7:11 PM, Warhippy said:

Funny thing is they work fine and are making a fortune for the Bahrainian gentleman who bought them for pennies on the dollar

 

All he had to do was outfit the intake with galvanized screens and spend the few hundred K on the regulators like was suggested

The value calc only works for him because of the purchase price. They are inefficient to run that way but when you basically get them for free then you can afford inefficiency. It was a stupid idea, run stupidly, sold stupidly. But the fact remains it happened under NDP control and yes they deserve every bit of blame for it.

[JM_]

4 hours ago, sameer666 said:

If you truly believe and want different leadership, NDP is your only true option.

Sure, they've had the same basic platform for 70 years but its "different".

 

The reason it never works out is because the NDP is involved in a philosophical debate over capitalism, instead of running a province properly. Its played out in each and every province they've had power.

 

The only reason Notley is different and is doing well in AB is her platform and policies look nothing like the BC NDP, she's pretty much a federal Liberal in actual practice, similar to Roy Romanow back in his day in SK. The difference is Roy couldn't get the backing he needed to avoid the usual NDP disaster-fest.

[sameer666]

2 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

Sure, they've had the same basic platform for 70 years but its "different".

 

The reason it never works out is because the NDP is involved in a philosophical debate over capitalism, instead of running a province properly. Its played out in each and every province they've had power.

 

The only reason Notley is different and is doing well in AB is her platform and policies look nothing like the BC NDP, she's pretty much a federal Liberal in actual practice, similar to Roy Romanow back in his day in SK.

I don't disagree with you, and I didn't say the change would be for the good or bad. Just saying, unless some miracle occurs, the only chance for an alternative is NDP at this point.

[Warhippy]

5 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

The value calc only works for him because of the purchase price. They are inefficient to run that way but when you basically get them for free then you can afford inefficiency. It was a stupid idea, run stupidly, sold stupidly. But the fact remains it happened under NDP control and yes they deserve every bit of blame for it.

So. 

 

Who are you blaming for the last 17 years?

[JM_]

Just now, sameer666 said:

I don't disagree with you, and I didn't say the change would be for the good or bad. Just saying, despite some miracle, the only chance for an alternative is NDP at this point.

But "change" to what? Yes Clark is an annoying individual, but I can't hand over the reigns to a guy like Horgan who really has no clue whatsoever. Both parties need a massive overhaul but until then there really isn't a better choice, imo anyway.

[sameer666]

Just now, S'all Good Man said:

But "change" to what? Yes Clark is an annoying individual, but I can't hand over the reigns to a guy like Horgan who really has no clue whatsoever. Both parties need a massive overhaul but until then there really isn't a better choice, imo anyway.

Again. I'm not trying to be specific on the change. I'm trying to keep this black and white. If people don't want Christy Clark anymore, the only chance of that not happening is NDP. Don't dig into my argument any further into if that's a good or bad thing, as I'm not trying to get into litigating that =P. 

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

So. 

 

Who are you blaming for the last 17 years?

Clark. But I'm also giving her credit for doing a really solid job on the economy, particularly diversification to new markets in China and some inroads to India. Despite what a lot of people think there is a lot going on in the BC high tech and manufacturing sector, thanks to Liberal efforts.

 

Where she really po's me though is on housing. There are so many ways to incentivize affordable housing and she's done next to nothing.

 

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, sameer666 said:

Again. I'm not trying to be specific on the change. I'm trying to keep this black and white. If people don't want Christy Clark anymore, the only chance of that not happening is NDP. Don't dig into my argument any further into if that's a good or bad thing, as I'm not trying to get into litigating that =P. 

Fair enough But isn't that sort of like choosing waking up tomorrow vs. a meteor strike? Sure its B&W but....

[ronthecivil]

On ‎2017‎-‎01‎-‎23 at 8:12 AM, Warhippy said:

Remarkable really.

 

The BC NDP part of a perfect storm of mistakes and market issues with the advent of NAFTA were in power and thus at fault for causing this province some financial hardship.  The BC Liberals rode the NDPs legislation in to early success then started doing things their own way and saw endless failures, scandals yet are somehow lauded as better governors.

 

To the point that 20 years later people still claim the BC NDP are bad, or would be bad for the province.  It's remarkable what scared people will believe.

 

All you have to do is listen to their policies to know that they will be bad.

 

Or to note that they are still beholden to the union leaders (handy tip for being an NDP MLA, be a former union head, and your a shoe in!). Great situation when you can have union leaders on both sides of the table when it comes to negotiation!

 

The problem is the NDP haven't shown any signs of being any less scary, or any more to the centre, than they have ever been. And even if they did do that, the core would rebel, call them sellouts, and switch to a more radical stance.

 

You might as well call the other party the "keep the NDP out of power" party. So long as they keep that up, they would have to screw up real bad to loose my vote.