Trudeau more unpopular than popular for the first time since election: survey

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Kushman said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4425316/surrey-transit-announcement-justin-trudeau

 

 

 

 

Let's allow police to search peoples homes without a warrant, sounds like a fantastic idea... I'm 100% sure that's exactly what the people want. 

 

I don't think anyone's talking about that, but making things harder on gangs specifically is worth a discussion. 

[Kushman]

24 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I don't think anyone's talking about that, but making things harder on gangs specifically is worth a discussion. 

Currently there’s no legislation that allows for police to without a warrant or some justifiable cause to enter into people’s private residences so I think we have to tread carefully on that but if that is what the public wishes then I think it’s a step in the right direction for Trudeau to step forward and say we have to re-evaluate this.”

 

Seems like that's exactly what's being talked about.   I agree that there should be more done to fight gangs, but that doesn't include giving more power to big government and stripping peoples rights in the process. My parents grew up in a communist state where the government and police had all the power and the people had basically no rights, so seeing these kind of quotes immediately puts up red flags... they're steps towards a totalitarian type governance 

[Rob_Zepp]

Given the poo-show in the US, this sort of competing headlines my phone game me this morning from either side of the border isn't something that helps Justin's case even if the opposition is in disarray.    I am sure someone anti/pro Trump or anti/pro Trudeau can make these say whatever they want but the numbers are what they are....without bias.    First the US news and then the Canadian news....

 

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/07/news/economy/august-jobs-report/index.html

 

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August labor report: 201,000 more jobs, and pay keeps pace

by Lydia DePillis   @CNNMoneySeptember 7, 2018: 11:20 AM ET

After years of job growth, workers may finally be getting more money in their paychecks.

Job growth in August was strong. The US economy added 201,000 jobs, while the unemployment rate stayed at 3.9%.

Average hourly earnings grew 2.9% compared with a year ago, the best rate since 2009, according to monthly payroll data released by the Labor Department Friday.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4433228/canadian-economy-lost-jobs-august-statistics-canada/

 

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ECONOMY

 

September 7, 2018 6:42 am

Updated: September 7, 2018 10:24 am

Canadian economy loses more than 51K jobs in August

By Staff The Canadian Press

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The Canadian economy lost 51,600 net jobs in August in a decrease that drove up the unemployment rate and essentially wiped out the big gain in July.

 

Statistics Canada’s labour force survey says the jobless rate hit six per cent in August, up from 5.8 per cent in July.

Economists had expected an increase of 5,000 jobs for the month and the unemployment rate to be 5.9 per cent, according to Thomson Reuters Eikon.

 

[JM_]

On 2018-09-04 at 2:56 PM, Kushman said:

Currently there’s no legislation that allows for police to without a warrant or some justifiable cause to enter into people’s private residences so I think we have to tread carefully on that but if that is what the public wishes then I think it’s a step in the right direction for Trudeau to step forward and say we have to re-evaluate this.”

 

Seems like that's exactly what's being talked about.   I agree that there should be more done to fight gangs, but that doesn't include giving more power to big government and stripping peoples rights in the process. My parents grew up in a communist state where the government and police had all the power and the people had basically no rights, so seeing these kind of quotes immediately puts up red flags... they're steps towards a totalitarian type governance 

I think he's talking about the context of entering a gang members home or a gang clubhouse specifically. But yeah of course this needs to be handled correctly. 

[JM_]

21 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Given the poo-show in the US, this sort of competing headlines my phone game me this morning from either side of the border isn't something that helps Justin's case even if the opposition is in disarray.    I am sure someone anti/pro Trump or anti/pro Trudeau can make these say whatever they want but the numbers are what they are....without bias.    First the US news and then the Canadian news....

 

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/07/news/economy/august-jobs-report/index.html

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/4433228/canadian-economy-lost-jobs-august-statistics-canada/

 

 

sounds like most of the losses were part time in retail and construction so it could be a seasonal thing, probably some companies shedding jobs worried about export losses as well I'd imagine. 

[Rob_Zepp]

19 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

sounds like most of the losses were part time in retail and construction so it could be a seasonal thing, probably some companies shedding jobs worried about export losses as well I'd imagine. 

Guess so but I am surprised how strong the US job market has been over past 12 months...employers showing a lot of confidence in the economic and their unemployment rate is closing in on "fully employed" state in terms of economic theory.   I think that is why the Democrats had better understand that all the scams, porn stars, lies or whatever they want to bleat about Trump there are, at the end of the day "Joe US Citizen" is happier with a job and they better tap into that level of discourse.

[Shift-4]

21 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

sounds like most of the losses were part time in retail and construction so it could be a seasonal thing, probably some companies shedding jobs worried about export losses as well I'd imagine. 

The classic quote

It always arrives shortly after job losses/gains are posted.

 

[Toews]

Liberals 40, Conservatives 32, NDP 16, Green 7 in latest Nanos federal tracking (Nanos Research)

 

The largest lead for the Liberals in quite some time. Will be curious to see how Bernier's new party affects the political landscape. Looking through some of the polls, it doesn't seem like Bernier's ideas are all that popular. NDP continues to tread water under Singh.

[Mr.DirtyDangles]

 

[JM_]

18 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Guess so but I am surprised how strong the US job market has been over past 12 months...employers showing a lot of confidence in the economic and their unemployment rate is closing in on "fully employed" state in terms of economic theory.   I think that is why the Democrats had better understand that all the scams, porn stars, lies or whatever they want to bleat about Trump there are, at the end of the day "Joe US Citizen" is happier with a job and they better tap into that level of discourse.

thats true, and the end of the day if the dem's don't have a real plan for the economy none of that other stuff will matter much. 

 

But, given that Trump increased the US debt by something like 1 trillion to achieve these gains there had better be some benefits. If it turns out to just be a 2nd part-time job for middle class people and a bunch of tax cuts for the 1% that could be used by the dem's to gain a few votes. 

 

I suppose Trudeau could spend even more money if you'd like to see similar incentivized growth up here 

 

just for comparison Rob, Canada's debt-gdb ratio is going down under the Lib's - thats considered a good thing usually among conservatives. For Trumps tax cut plan, he's going to raise it nearly 20% to a near 1:1 debt to gdp ratio. Thats pretty unnerving if his trade plan fails and he doesn't secure a lot more production domestically. Thats why the US CBO didn't back Mcuchin's numbers, his projections have a lot of rosy assumptions. 

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/government-debt-to-gdp/forecast

 

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53651

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by Jimmy McGill

[JM_]

18 hours ago, Shift-4 said:

The classic quote

It always arrives shortly after job losses/gains are posted.

 

but they actually were mostly part time job losses, whats wrong with stating a fact? 

[JM_]

16 hours ago, Toews said:

Liberals 40, Conservatives 32, NDP 16, Green 7 in latest Nanos federal tracking (Nanos Research)

 

The largest lead for the Liberals in quite some time. Will be curious to see how Bernier's new party affects the political landscape. Looking through some of the polls, it doesn't seem like Bernier's ideas are all that popular. NDP continues to tread water under Singh.

Bernier is gong to be really interesting to watch, he will appeal to a large part of the base but its going to take something special for the CPC base to split itself in two and hand another win to Trudeau, so in the end I don't think he'll have a big effect. Maybe in some regional pockets. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats true, and the end of the day if the dem's don't have a real plan for the economy none of that other stuff will matter much. 

 

But, given that Trump increased the US debt by something like 1 trillion to achieve these gains there had better be some benefits. If it turns out to just be a 2nd part-time job for middle class people and a bunch of tax cuts for the 1% that could be used by the dem's to gain a few votes. 

 

I suppose Trudeau could spend even more money if you'd like to see similar incentivized growth up here 

Someones been listening to too much of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez logic. 

 

 

[JM_]

16 hours ago, Mr.DirtyDangles said:

 

thats a pretty good summary of how we got here, thanks for posting that. 

[Rob_Zepp]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats true, and the end of the day if the dem's don't have a real plan for the economy none of that other stuff will matter much. 

 

But, given that Trump increased the US debt by something like 1 trillion to achieve these gains there had better be some benefits. If it turns out to just be a 2nd part-time job for middle class people and a bunch of tax cuts for the 1% that could be used by the dem's to gain a few votes. 

 

I suppose Trudeau could spend even more money if you'd like to see similar incentivized growth up here 

 

just for comparison Rob, Canada's debt-gdb ratio is going down under the Lib's - thats considered a good thing usually among conservatives. For Trumps tax cut plan, he's going to raise it nearly 20% to a near 1:1 debt to gdp ratio. Thats pretty unnerving if his trade plan fails and he doesn't secure a lot more production domestically. Thats why the US CBO didn't back Mcuchin's numbers, his projections have a lot of rosy assumptions. 

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/government-debt-to-gdp/forecast

 

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53651

 

Sad thing is the vast majority of those who vote don't give a rat's behind parts - they will care if they have a job and how much of the pay from that job goes to the government plus what they think the government does with that money (e.g. carbon tax versus fighting terrorists, for simplistic example).    

[Toews]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Bernier is gong to be really interesting to watch, he will appeal to a large part of the base but its going to take something special for the CPC base to split itself in two and hand another win to Trudeau, so in the end I don't think he'll have a big effect. Maybe in some regional pockets. 

Yup, I see it the same way. Even voters who are enamoured by his rhetoric will find it hard to vote for him knowing that it will likely hand Trudeau an easy win.

[kingofsurrey]

26 minutes ago, Toews said:

Yup, I see it the same way. Even voters who are enamoured by his rhetoric will find it hard to vote for him knowing that it will likely hand Trudeau an easy win.

Do you think JT can do 16 years as PM like his pops..... ?

 

I think odds are that he will. 

[JM_]

27 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Sad thing is the vast majority of those who vote don't give a rat's behind parts - they will care if they have a job and how much of the pay from that job goes to the government plus what they think the government does with that money (e.g. carbon tax versus fighting terrorists, for simplistic example).    

thats true. 

 

Its just the comp between Trumps plan and what Canada's doing isn't really a good one. If we did what Trump's doing like some in the CPC want and base the GDP growth on a massive tax cut we don't have the manufacturing base to grow to make that happen without going Greek on our debt to gdp ratio. Thats why I like the idea of smaller (in relative terms) investments in guaranteed GDP growth makers like large infrastructure projects - those are guaranteed to actually return a higher than 1:1 return in GDP and something like 16,000 jobs per 1 billion spent (don't have the reference at hand but can find it if you want it). Not nearly as sexy but also a guaranteed long term win.

 

I do want us to diversify in a large way in our manufacturing, we do have a small but stable sized manufacturing base  but simple tax cuts alone won't grow it, it needs reform on how its funded and how we take IP out of our universities and commercialize it, we suck hard on that front. 

[Ryan Strome]

48 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Do you think JT can do 16 years as PM like his pops..... ?

 

I think odds are that he will. 

His dad did 11 straight years not 16. He was defeated by Joe Clarke in 79.

[kingofsurrey]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

His dad did 11 straight years not 16. He was defeated by Joe Clarke in 79.

Pierre Trudeau - Prime Minister - Biography

https://www.biography.com/people/pierre-trudeau-9510956

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Synopsis. Born in Montreal on October 18, 1919, Pierre Trudeau was the 15th prime minister of Canada for nearly 16 years. His charismatic personality matched ...

 

https://www.biography.com/people/pierre-trudeau-9510956