Trudeau more unpopular than popular for the first time since election: survey

[HerrDrFunk]

Just now, PhillipBlunt said:

While this murder, like every murder, is horrible and should have never happened, I can't see how it raises questions regarding the vetting process. Unless the murderer was openly stating that he was going to kill someone or was blatantly aggressive, how would any vetting have determined that he was going to commit the heinous act he did?

 

Don't get me wrong, the bastard should be destroyed, in my opinion, but not because he's a Syrian refugee, more so because he's a murdering son of a bitch.

Makes sense to me!

[RUPERTKBD]

23 minutes ago, bolt said:

Asking for a more in depth vetting process is now racist?  This guy slipped through the huge cracks of our immigration system.

Honest question: Without googling, what do you know about the vetting process?

[Ryan Strome]

3 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

Yup, watch for  the racists now to crawl out from under their rocks.... and  start shouting out with their hatred / ignorant rhetoric......   

 

How many murders this year in BC committed by  Canadian citizens..... ? 

Too many. That being said we don't need more, especially from a person that we welcomed into this country.

[Ryan Strome]

2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Honest question: Without googling, what do you know about the vetting process?

Well we certainly know that some do slip through the cracks. It's seems we will always have people make excuses for those people slipping through. Certainly we are doing a better job than European countries are.

[Rob_Zepp]

Interesting that NY Times, a paper that seems to hate Trump nearly as much as CDC (they are the paper of the anonymous manifesto), would publish this about Trudeau....author is pro-Trump for sure but it does raise some valid (and some exaggerated) points:

 

Justin Trudeau finally gets the trade trouble he deserves

 

Justin Trudeau finally gets the trade trouble he deserves

September 4, 2018 | 8:36pm

 

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Justin TrudeauNurPhoto via Getty Images

 

If you’re trying to make sense out of the NAFTA negotiations, where Canada is suddenly rushing to avoid being shut out of a US-Mexico deal, consider this: With his insufferable moral arrogance, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been cruising for a bruising — and now he’s gotten it.

 

Given Trudeau’s attempt to reinvent the country as the smarmy Eddie Haskell of nations, it’s been fun to watch — but let’s make sure it doesn’t end up costing both Canada and the United States.

 

Trudeau’s first rude awakening, by the way, didn’t come at the hands of Team Trump. Justin had become a laughingstock when visiting India last February, where he dressed the family Bollywood-style. Even the Indians thought he was a joke.

 

More serious was his next reality check, via the Saudis. The Canadian foreign ministry had tweeted that Saudi Arabia should release women’s-rights activists, and the Saudis responded by closing their embassy, ordering Saudi students to return home and freezing all trade ties. Diplomatically, that’s going rogue.

Remarkably, the US refused to take sides. Our State Department simply asked both parties to work it out.

 

Then came Trump’s rebuff of Trudeau over the NAFTA talks. The Canadians had assumed they were in the driver’s seat, and presented a set of initial demands that were guaranteed to infuriate Trump. They wanted gender equality and native rights to be on the table, and suggested that right-to-work laws were an unfair trade practice.

 

They took their time bargaining, and let the Mexicans know that they’d look after them. They knew Trump had problems with Mexico and told Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto they’d stick up for him.

 

Except that Justin had gone out of his way to annoy Trump. When the G-7 assembled in Quebec last June, Trudeau prepared the wokiest of politically correct topics to discuss, and showed he was peeved when Trump turned up late at a session.

It all came undone over the last two weeks. First, the Mexicans, to whom the Canadians had condescended, showed that they didn’t need Trudeau’s help and cut a deal with Trump that excluded Canada. Of course we want Canada to be included in NAFTA, they said. But you have to understand that, for us, Mexico comes first and we need a trade deal with the US.

 

So much for the three amigos.

 

After the deal with Mexico was announced, Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland cut short a European visit to come to Washington and negotiate with the US trade representative. While the talks were ongoing, the Toronto Star revealed that Trump had said off the record that the United States wasn’t going to bend on any item. If they had problems with that, he said he had an easy answer. He’d show them a picture of the Chevy Impala, which is made in Oshawa, Ontario, and shipped to the US duty-free under NAFTA.

 

If NAFTA goes down, Canada will be the big loser, especially in its auto industry, where 120,000 Canadian jobs are at stake. But we also would be losers. The auto industry has suppliers on both sides of the border and just-in-time production methods would put thousands of Americans immediately out of work if Detroit’s Ambassador Bridge were shut down for a few days. As it is, more US trade crosses over that bridge than our entire trade with Japan.

Trump worries about trade deficits, but we’re running a trade surplus in goods and service with Canada, and it’s one of the very few countries of which that can be said. It’s the most important trading partner for 35 states, and as many as 9 million US jobs depend on trade with Canada.

 

It’s not as if there will be much daylight between the two countries, when trade negotiations begin on Wednesday. We’re not happy with Canada’s supply-management system, which subsidizes eggs and milk products — and that’s something the Canadians should be happy to give up, since it costs the average Canadian family $150 a year.

The Canadians also want a dispute-resolution mechanism, which could prove an advantage to the US as well as Canada. Everybody cheats, and it wouldn’t hurt to have neutral parties work things out.

So both sides should be able to compromise and get to yes. Given the two leaders’ personalities, it’s easy to see how the Canada-US deal could fall apart. Let’s hope it doesn’t.

[kingofsurrey]

1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Interesting that NY Times, a paper that seems to hate Trump nearly as much as CDC (they are the paper of the anonymous manifesto), would publish this about Trudeau....author is pro-Trump for sure but it does raise some valid (and some exaggerated) points:

 

Justin Trudeau finally gets the trade trouble he deserves

 

Justin Trudeau finally gets the trade trouble he deserves

September 4, 2018 | 8:36pm

 

Modal Trigger

Justin TrudeauNurPhoto via Getty Images

 

If you’re trying to make sense out of the NAFTA negotiations, where Canada is suddenly rushing to avoid being shut out of a US-Mexico deal, consider this: With his insufferable moral arrogance, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been cruising for a bruising — and now he’s gotten it.

 

Given Trudeau’s attempt to reinvent the country as the smarmy Eddie Haskell of nations, it’s been fun to watch — but let’s make sure it doesn’t end up costing both Canada and the United States.

 

Trudeau’s first rude awakening, by the way, didn’t come at the hands of Team Trump. Justin had become a laughingstock when visiting India last February, where he dressed the family Bollywood-style. Even the Indians thought he was a joke.

 

More serious was his next reality check, via the Saudis. The Canadian foreign ministry had tweeted that Saudi Arabia should release women’s-rights activists, and the Saudis responded by closing their embassy, ordering Saudi students to return home and freezing all trade ties. Diplomatically, that’s going rogue.

Remarkably, the US refused to take sides. Our State Department simply asked both parties to work it out.

 

Then came Trump’s rebuff of Trudeau over the NAFTA talks. The Canadians had assumed they were in the driver’s seat, and presented a set of initial demands that were guaranteed to infuriate Trump. They wanted gender equality and native rights to be on the table, and suggested that right-to-work laws were an unfair trade practice.

 

They took their time bargaining, and let the Mexicans know that they’d look after them. They knew Trump had problems with Mexico and told Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto they’d stick up for him.

 

Except that Justin had gone out of his way to annoy Trump. When the G-7 assembled in Quebec last June, Trudeau prepared the wokiest of politically correct topics to discuss, and showed he was peeved when Trump turned up late at a session.

It all came undone over the last two weeks. First, the Mexicans, to whom the Canadians had condescended, showed that they didn’t need Trudeau’s help and cut a deal with Trump that excluded Canada. Of course we want Canada to be included in NAFTA, they said. But you have to understand that, for us, Mexico comes first and we need a trade deal with the US.

 

So much for the three amigos.

 

After the deal with Mexico was announced, Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland cut short a European visit to come to Washington and negotiate with the US trade representative. While the talks were ongoing, the Toronto Star revealed that Trump had said off the record that the United States wasn’t going to bend on any item. If they had problems with that, he said he had an easy answer. He’d show them a picture of the Chevy Impala, which is made in Oshawa, Ontario, and shipped to the US duty-free under NAFTA.

 

If NAFTA goes down, Canada will be the big loser, especially in its auto industry, where 120,000 Canadian jobs are at stake. But we also would be losers. The auto industry has suppliers on both sides of the border and just-in-time production methods would put thousands of Americans immediately out of work if Detroit’s Ambassador Bridge were shut down for a few days. As it is, more US trade crosses over that bridge than our entire trade with Japan.

Trump worries about trade deficits, but we’re running a trade surplus in goods and service with Canada, and it’s one of the very few countries of which that can be said. It’s the most important trading partner for 35 states, and as many as 9 million US jobs depend on trade with Canada.

 

It’s not as if there will be much daylight between the two countries, when trade negotiations begin on Wednesday. We’re not happy with Canada’s supply-management system, which subsidizes eggs and milk products — and that’s something the Canadians should be happy to give up, since it costs the average Canadian family $150 a year.

The Canadians also want a dispute-resolution mechanism, which could prove an advantage to the US as well as Canada. Everybody cheats, and it wouldn’t hurt to have neutral parties work things out.

So both sides should be able to compromise and get to yes. Given the two leaders’ personalities, it’s easy to see how the Canada-US deal could fall apart. Let’s hope it doesn’t.

LMAO - i  especially love the part about everyone cheating......      Quality humor.  That guy should be booked into vegas for his own show...

[Toews]

50 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

LMAO - i  especially love the part about everyone cheating......      Quality humor.  That guy should be booked into vegas for his own show...

It also isn't "interesting" at all that Times decided to publish an opinion piece from a conservative writer, its something they have always done. Publishing a piece an op-ed from a Trump senior official doesn't mean they "hate" Trump either. 

 

Edit: Nevermind Rupert correctly stated that it was from the Post.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Toews

[RUPERTKBD]

41 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Well we certainly know that some do slip through the cracks. It's seems we will always have people make excuses for those people slipping through. Certainly we are doing a better job than European countries are.

The point being that no level of vetting will be 100% guaranteed to make sure that no-one slips through the cracks....

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

The point being that no level of vetting will be 100% guaranteed to make sure that no-one slips through the cracks....

This was the biggest problem with the timeline that JT initially put in place for bringing refugees over. That was a terrible idea and it was a political move and thankfully Canadian officials changed JT's mind.

[RUPERTKBD]

45 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Interesting that NY Times, a paper that seems to hate Trump nearly as much as CDC (they are the paper of the anonymous manifesto), would publish this about Trudeau....author is pro-Trump for sure but it does raise some valid (and some exaggerated) points:

NY Times?

[RUPERTKBD]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

This was the biggest problem with the timeline that JT initially put in place for bringing refugees over. That was a terrible idea and it was a political move and thankfully Canadian officials changed JT's mind.

So I'm not really sure where you stand on the debate I was having with the other poster. Do you agree with his assertion that this incident is a result of inadequate vetting?

Edited September 11, 2018 by RUPERTKBD

[Ryan Strome]

3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

So I'm really sure where you stand on the debate I was having with the other poster. Do you agree with his assertion that this incident is a result of inadequate vetting?

No I don't think the vetting process is the issue. 

[Rob_Zepp]

15 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

NY Times?

Ooops...NY Post.   Was reading NY Times when I posted.....Freudian on two levels.

[Ryan Strome]

Dominic LeBlanc found in conflict of interest over lucrative fishing licence

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/leblanc-conflict-of-interest-fishing-licence-1.4820213

 

Trudeau to focus on ‘real issues’ as another ethics scandal tarnishes Liberals

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/09/12/trudeau-to-focus-on-real-issues-as-another-ethics-scandal-tarnishes-liberals/

 

He is the third Liberal minister to have been found in breach of ethics rules. The others are Trudeau himself and Finance Minister Bill Morneau.

 

I will wait for the usual suspects to make excuses for this.

[PhillipBlunt]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Dominic LeBlanc found in conflict of interest over lucrative fishing licence

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/leblanc-conflict-of-interest-fishing-licence-1.4820213

 

Trudeau to focus on ‘real issues’ as another ethics scandal tarnishes Liberals

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/09/12/trudeau-to-focus-on-real-issues-as-another-ethics-scandal-tarnishes-liberals/

 

He is the third Liberal minister to have been found in breach of ethics rules. The others are Trudeau himself and Finance Minister Bill Morneau.

 

I will wait for the usual suspects to make excuses for this.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Ryan Strome]

3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Absolutely.

 

What's annoying though is when this government does people want to give them a free pass. The Prime Minister and Finance Minister are guilty of breaking ethics rules and excuses are made and now it's looking like a trend for the Liberals. Actually I suppose it always has been.

[PhillipBlunt]

4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Absolutely.

 

What's annoying though is when this government does people want to give them a free pass. The Prime Minister and Finance Minister are guilty of breaking ethics rules and excuses are made and now it's looking like a trend for the Liberals. Actually I suppose it always has been.

A rule is a rule, and if the government wants people to follow them, they should to. Otherwise the guilty parties need to step down.

 

Sadly though, the average person merely accepts that corruption is synonymous with being an elected official. Until that stops and people in general demand a new reality, these thieves will act accordingly.

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

A rule is a rule, and if the government wants people to follow them, they should to. Otherwise the guilty parties need to step down.

 

Sadly though, the average person merely accepts that corruption is synonymous with being an elected official. Until that stops and people in general demand a new reality, these thieves will act accordingly.

Agreed.

[TheAce]

58 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Absolutely.

 

What's annoying though is when this government does people want to give them a free pass. The Prime Minister and Finance Minister are guilty of breaking ethics rules and excuses are made and now it's looking like a trend for the Liberals. Actually I suppose it always has been.

There would be an extra 10 pages in the Trump thread right now calling for impeachment but when its one of your own ( liberal, leftist ) then its quickly dismissed or ignored. . .

[Rob_Zepp]

First the CBC and now Globe and Mail providing a view of the things that doesn't make Canada look quite as perfect on this as the would otherwise want the world to think they are.    This is certainly not all on Trudeau as this has been a system not ready for this for a long while.  However, he is the one who invited everyone to come.....

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-asylum-seeker-surge-at-quebec-border-choking-canadas-refugee-system/

 

 

 

 

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Asylum-seeker surge at Quebec border choking Canada’s refugee system, data show

 

MICHELLE ZILIOPARLIAMENTARY REPORTER

OTTAWA

PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 11, 2018UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO

The wait time for a refugee claim hearing in Canada increased more than a third over the past two years, to 20 months, as more than 30,000 asylum seekers arriving via unauthorized border crossings placed significant pressure on the system.

Overwhelmed by the number of migrants, the Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) has only managed to finalize 15 per cent of the 27,674 asylum claims made by people who illegally entered Quebec – where the majority of the crossings took place, mostly at a single location near St. Bernard-de-Lacolle – between February, 2017, and this June.

The resulting backlog has created a growing queue for any and all asylum seekers. Under the Supreme Court’s landmark 1985 Singh decision, all refugee claimants on Canadian soil are entitled to an oral hearing.

 

Asylum seekers who cross illegally at the U.S.-Canadian border eventually face the same questions as all other refugee claimants: Are they genuine refugees, fearing persecution in their home countries? Data from the IRB show that less than half of the claimants in finalized cases – 1,885 – have been accepted as legitimate refugees in Quebec, significantly lower than the proportion for all refugee cases in Canada.

 

DEPORTATION, ASYLUM PROCESSING FOR BORDER CROSSERS

Canada has only deported a small number of the nearly 30,000 asylum seekers who

illegally entered Quebec through unauthorized border crossings since last year, accord-

ing to statistics from the Canada Border Services Agency.

 

The majority of border crossers have entered Canada through Quebec, mostly at an

unauthorized port of entry in St. Bernard-de-Lacolle. National statistics paint a picture

of a refugee determination system that has been slow to finalize asylum claims.

Total refugee claims made by Irregular Border Crossers in Quebec

From February, 2017 to June, 2018

Finalized:

4,181

Pending:

23,493

Total

intake:

27,674

Accepted:

1,885

Rejected:

1,614

Abandoned:

373

Withdrawn/other:

309

Total refugee claims made by Irregular Border Crossers in Canada

From February, 2017 through June, 2018*

Finalized:

4,937

Pending:

24,891

Total

intake:

29,828

Accepted:

2,344

Rejected:

1,855

Abandoned:

380

Withdrawn/other:

358

*Partial data for February and March, 2017

MICHELLE ZILIO AND JOHN SOPINSKI/THE GLOBE AND MAIL SOURCE: IRB-CISR

 

But a separate data set from the Canada Border Services Agency shows that only a handful of those who have been denied refugee status have been deported. The CBSA said it had removed just 157 people who entered Quebec through unofficial border crossings since April, 2017 – about one in every 200. It said another 582 are being processed for deportation.

 

Canada-wide, the CBSA said it has deported 398 of the 32,173 people who crossed into Canada illegally since April, 2017. Of those, 146 were sent back to the U.S., while the rest were deported to 53 other countries, including Haiti (53), Colombia (24), Turkey (19) and Iraq (15).

Refugee lawyer Lorne Waldman said the relatively low number of deportations is simply an indicator of the system.

 

“It doesn’t surprise me because it takes a while for cases to make their way through the system. So people who came a year ago, if the system works efficiently, they should be at the end of the system and subject to removal if their claims are rejected,” he said.

But the situation at the border has put pressure on Canada’s already-strained refugee determination system. The projected wait time for a refugee claim hearing is currently 20 months, up from 16 in September, 2017, and 14 in September, 2016 – just before the influx of asylum seekers.

Related: Are asylum seekers crossing into Canada illegally? A look at facts behind the controversy

 

Tens of thousands have flooded the Canada-U.S. border since last year. Initially, many of the border crossers were Haitians who had been living in the U.S. under a temporary protected status (TPS) they had been given after the massive 2010 earthquake in Haiti. When the Trump administration announced its intention to end the TPS for Haitians, word spread among the community there that they could apply for refugee status in Canada if they headed north and found a way into the country.

 

But it wasn’t as simple as showing up at the border and claiming asylum. The Safe Third Country Agreement between Canada and the U.S. requires both countries to refuse entry to asylum seekers who arrive at official border crossings, as both countries are considered safe for refugees. However, since the agreement applies only to people who arrive at official points of entry, asylum seekers can avoid being turned away by entering between official border crossings – a loophole thousands have taken advantage of.

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A group of asylum seekers wait to be processed in Lacolle, Quebec, in August of 2017.

CHRISTINNE MUSCHI/REUTERS

This year brought a new wave of asylum seekers in St. Bernard-de-Lacolle: Nigerians travelling on valid U.S. visas. It’s not exactly clear why Nigerians choose to travel on U.S. visas instead of Canadian ones, but Mr. Waldman said the U.S. visa system is seen as more generous than Canada’s. Many of the Nigerian asylum seekers obtain visitor visas and use them to fly into the U.S. They then head north to the Quebec border, cross into Canada and apply for asylum.

 

Earlier this year, Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen and senior government officials travelled to Nigeria to raise their visa concerns directly with U.S. officials there. Mr. Hussen said the Nigerian government also pledged to discourage its citizens from claiming asylum in Canada after crossing between official points of entry along the U.S. border.

 

The IRB has finalized just 4,181 asylum claims made by border crossers in Quebec between February, 2017, and June of this year (more current data were unavailable), of which only 45 per cent – 1,885 – were accepted. Another 1,614 claims were rejected, and 682 were abandoned or withdrawn.

 

That number of accepted claims is significantly lower than the Canada-wide acceptance rate for all refugee claims. As of June, the IRB had approved 7,831 of 13,687 – 57 per cent – of all processed asylum cases made since Dec. 15, 2012, including claims made by asylum seekers who crossed illegally into Canada. Another 55,567 claims were still pending. A small number of refugee claims made before 2012, when the refugee determination system underwent significant changes, are documented separately.

 

As a part of the 2018 federal budget, the government invested $72-million in the IRB, which will be used to hire 64 new decision-makers in an effort to improve processing times.

 

Montreal refugee lawyer Mitchell Goldberg said he is optimistic processing times will start to decrease as the government dedicates more resources to the matter.

 

The deportation process can take even longer, especially if an asylum seeker chooses to exhaust all their appeal options – a source of concern for the Conservative opposition.

 

“It’s completely unreasonable for our asylum system to be backlogged for years and then for us to not have a functioning system to remove people who don’t have a legal reason to be in Canada," said Conservative immigration critic Michelle Rempel.

 

However, NDP immigration critic Jenny Kwan said the former Conservative government, in which Ms. Rempel served as a cabinet minister, is also to blame for the delays at the IRB.

 

“There’s been pressure on the system for many, many years, from the Conservatives to the Liberals. Successive governments have not resourced the IRB accordingly so that they can get the job done,” Ms. Kwan said.

 

Asylum seekers waiting for their cases to be heard have had to find accommodation, with thousands heading to Toronto, where the city has paid to house them in hotel rooms, dormitories and shelters for the homeless. Ottawa has pledged $50-million to defray the costs incurred by the provinces, with Quebec receiving $36-million, Ontario $11-million and Manitoba $3-million. But Toronto and Ontario have been pressing the federal government to pay much more, with the provincial Progressive Conservative government demanding a reimbursement of $200-million.

 

Mr. Waldman also said the government must do more to address the IRB delays, as the long wait times serve as a “magnet” for illegitimate asylum claimants who know they can potentially spend years in Canada while their cases linger in the system.

Editor’s note: (August 12, 2018) This story has been updated to reflect that the IRB has since revised its estimate on the wait time for a refugee claim hearing from 19 months to 20 months.