VanGnome Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Carolina is an interesting beast, bad for so long but did well with drafting and now have themselves in a good position, challenging for a wild card spot being just 3 points back. They have a new owner, and is probably wanting to spend some money to get into the playoffs, however Francis is no spring chicken. He didn't build Carolina to what it is thus far by making dumb moves, their defence is good, one of the best in the league and one of the youngest as well. They do however, have more talent in the minors on D trying to make an entry into an already crowded d core. Canucks need to move Gudbranson, however on his own he's not much of a prize. In a package to address some other concerns though, Gudbranson becomes a good piece. Canucks need to get younger or at least laterally acquire someone who replaces what Gudbranson brings and retains some semblance of asset management for the Canucks. CAR Gudbranson Vanek Goldobin VAN Trevor Van Riemsdyk Jake Bean The typical cost for a rental player at the deadline is generally a prospect or a pick. Hansen got Goldobin, Burrows got Dahlen. Goldobin in this trade gives Carolina some future, while they give up assets that either don't have room for yet, and unlikely to in the near future. TVR is replaceable by either Roland McKeown or Trevor Carrick (although RD is his off side). Carolina also has the second most cap space in the league, second only to Arizona. Vanek instantly becomes the Cane's 3rd highest scorer, regardless of his past playoff performances, Vanek with the way he's playing this year can help the Canes get into the playoffs. Gudbranson adds some physical presence, about the same as what TVR brings but he's a UFA at the end of the year so there's less commitment. Guddy just was never able to find his stride here in Vancouver, and very well could be one of those players who just seem to play better in the East. Canucks replace Gudbranson with a guy roughly the same age, but retains RFA status and doesn't force JB (or whoever ends up the GM) from having to go out and overpay for a RD on the UFA market. TVR also has some offensive instincts, and while not an offensive defencemen by any stretch, he's a good all around 2-way guy who can jump up in the rush and will stand up for teammates. Jake Bean is someone I wanted the Canucks to try and draft in 2016, but they weren't able to get a second 1st round pick, Bean is nearly ready to break into the NHL after maybe another year or so, and brings a skillset badly needed to our D-Core. Once Edler moves on, whether as a UFA or via trade, our left side will be fairly thin once you also take into account MDZ won't be here forever, and it's not likely that Tryamkin comes back any time soon: LD: Pouliot, Hutton, Juolevi, Bean RD: Tanev, TVR, Stecher The order above is simply nothing more than based on experience in the NHL, not how good they can become or anything else. There's a good chance that Juolevi can and probably will surpass Pouliot on the depth chart, etc. Take into account that we still have Jalen Chatfield in the AHL as well as a potential sleeper prospect in Brisebois, and a dark horse in Holm who could play as early as next season, if not this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Carolina's a good target. Well thought-out proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I think Carolina would be a good trading partner given their excess of young defensemen. Goldobin would be a good piece to send them. However, I don't think Gudbranson would be of particular interest to them, especially when they can just sign him in the offseason. Same with Vanek. They can likely let this season play out and then make some moves in the offseason/next year. Bean would probably be one of those players that would take an overpayment to get. There's no team that wouldn't go after a young defenseman with potential who could potentially step into an NHL roster and contribute for 3 years on an ELC. Sending them a rental #5ish defenseman, a rental top-9 winger and a good winger prospect for that AND a cost controlled right-handed defenseman doesn't line up. Carolina is a good target, but the value isn't there to make this work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I was reading about an article on new owner yesterday, see if I can find it and post link. But I don't see them trading Jake Bean for couple of UFA's to be and Goldy. The new owner said resources will be given to the team but won't make any moves that don't make long term sense. Bean is a high first round pick, still in minors. It would be equivalent for us to give up Juolevi for similar package. CAR is chasing Rangers, islander and Flyers for the last playoff spot. It's going to be very tough for them to get that last spot. I don't think they give up a young kid like Bean for 2 UFA players and a kid who might not pan out in Goldobin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ya I don't see CAR giving you Bean. Further proof they don't give up on him...... https://www.thestar.com/sports/2017/12/15/lean-canadian-bean-has-hockey-world-on-a-string.html ST. CATHARINES, ONT.—When Team Canada coach Dominique Ducharme talks about Jake Bean, he describes a “new” kind of defenceman. Hurricanes coach Bill Peters calls the Carolina prospect the perfect blue-liner for the “modern” game. Bean indeed is part of a revolution on defence, reflective of young blue-liners making it in the NHL and certainly apropos of the top guns on the back end of Canada’s world junior entry................. “(Bean) is high end on the power play, high end moving the puck, real good calmness about him,” says Peters. “Real good disposition. Sees the ice real well. Plays the modern game well. . . . If it’s a more scrambly game, it doesn’t quite fit his skill set. He’s got huge hockey sense and was real close to making our team this year. I see him making his debut with us next season for sure.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Yeah sorry but not very well thought out. Offering ufa's to a team that is last in it's division for their top prospect isn't going to go over well with them. Goldobin isn't going to move the needle enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 10 hours ago, HockeydownUnder said: Yeah sorry but not very well thought out. Offering ufa's to a team that is last in it's division for their top prospect isn't going to go over well with them. Goldobin isn't going to move the needle enough Last in the division is immaterial when they are 3 points out of a wild card spot. Vanek and Gudbranson help them compete in what is an ultra competitive division, and likely gets them over the hump. TVR does not fit in long term with their blue line. Goldobin is a future piece, not a "now" piece. There's enough future upside in Goldobin to warrant a 1 for 1 trade with Bean, and Vanek + Gudbranson = TVR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, VanGnome said: Last in the division is immaterial when they are 3 points out of a wild card spot. Vanek and Gudbranson help them compete in what is an ultra competitive division, and likely gets them over the hump. TVR does not fit in long term with their blue line. Goldobin is a future piece, not a "now" piece. There's enough future upside in Goldobin to warrant a 1 for 1 trade with Bean, and Vanek + Gudbranson = TVR. uhm, no, no there isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Side note: I think it be cool if Car could draft Zadina so they could recreate that WJC Necas magic together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 On 18/01/2018 at 10:26 PM, VanGnome said: CAR Gudbranson Vanek Goldobin VAN Trevor Van Riemsdyk Jake Bean Very confusing trade for Carolina. So Gudbranson and Vanek walk to free agency, because Carolina doesn't need them. So they trade TVR and Bean for Goldobin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Monty said: Very confusing trade for Carolina. So Gudbranson and Vanek walk to free agency, because Carolina doesn't need them. So they trade TVR and Bean for Goldobin? Rentals are rentals for a reason. They are there to get you to your end goal, but do not fit into the long term plans of the organization. Rentals are a means to an end. Gudbranson for what he brings is an upgrade over TVR, and slotting in Vanek who instantly is the 3rd highest scorer on the team is not insignificant. In a league where 1 PP goal can separate a win from a loss, in a heavily contested division, you take any advantage you can get. TVR doesn't factor into the long term plans of the team, 5/6 of their defence core is stacked and young, and they have 2 more promising ready to break into the league defencemen even after losing Bean. Goldobin adds high end potential up front where they are a bit lacking in their organizational depth prospect wise outside of Necas and maybe Kuokkanen. With Stempniak leaving quite likely as a UFA and Williams getting a bit long in the tooth (has 1 more year) they will need more NHL ready skill to insert into their top 9/6. This is a hockey trade, both teams get something that benefits them in the long run, both are trading from positions of strength and Carolina wins in the short term in their bid to make the playoffs and make some noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 hours ago, VanGnome said: Rentals are rentals for a reason. They are there to get you to your end goal, but do not fit into the long term plans of the organization. Rentals are a means to an end. Gudbranson for what he brings is an upgrade over TVR, and slotting in Vanek who instantly is the 3rd highest scorer on the team is not insignificant. In a league where 1 PP goal can separate a win from a loss, in a heavily contested division, you take any advantage you can get. TVR doesn't factor into the long term plans of the team, 5/6 of their defence core is stacked and young, and they have 2 more promising ready to break into the league defencemen even after losing Bean. Goldobin adds high end potential up front where they are a bit lacking in their organizational depth prospect wise outside of Necas and maybe Kuokkanen. With Stempniak leaving quite likely as a UFA and Williams getting a bit long in the tooth (has 1 more year) they will need more NHL ready skill to insert into their top 9/6. This is a hockey trade, both teams get something that benefits them in the long run, both are trading from positions of strength and Carolina wins in the short term in their bid to make the playoffs and make some noise. Oh, I get what a rental is. The problem is that no team is going to give up one of their best prospects for players who walk. If trading Bean, which Carolina may do as they have one of, if not the best young defensive core in the NHL, they’ll look for a forward, similar in age to Bean, to swap for. But they certainly wouldn’t do it in this trade, especially since they are far from guaranteed a playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Would love to snag one of Carolinas D. If the best player available to us at the draft this year is a forward. Maybe consider trading for one of the Canes young D. They need forward help. We need D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Interesting idea, Jake Bean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I like the idea of getting Bean. Carolina has a pretty stacked defensive group and may be willing to part with him for forward help. I just don't see them giving him up for Goldobin. Gaudette is closer value wise. If Bean was a right handed shot I'd consider it. Goldobin and the 2018 2nd rounder would be in the ball park although that might still not get it done. Bean was the 13th overall pick in 2016 and his play so far indicates he was deserving of being taken there. He will be in the NHL next year barring any serious injury As for ufa's, Carolina is a young team. I don't see them mortgaging the future to try to win now. That said crazier things have happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 What about good ole Roland McKeown, the player LA took with the pick we sent them for Vey. He is a RHD, they are a bit thin on that side though, but that is more our need vs a LHD. At least until we move on from Edler and MDZ next year. Also see what Hutton can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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