Kinder Morgan Pipeline Talk

[kingofsurrey]

This is how you do it...

 

Too bad those buffoons in Alberta  didn't put the time in to do the project properly......

 

 

 

TransCanada signs all elected First Nations along $4.7-billion gas pipeline route through B.C.

The pipeline would feed the Shell-led LNG Canada gas plant should it go ahead, with TransCanada saying it's ready to build.

 

Trans Mountain Pipeline Timeline | Vancouver Sun2:10

TransCanada has completed benefit agreements with all 20 elected First Nation bands along its Coastal GasLink pipeline route from Dawson Creek to Kitimat.

 

The pipeline would feed the Shell-led LNG Canada gas plant should it go ahead, with TransCanada saying it’s ready to build.

There has been heightened anticipation recently that LNG Canada is gearing up to make a final investment decision on the up-to $36-billion export terminal in Kitimat.

The company has announced major contracts and has been doing more groundwork in Kitimat, including dredging to deepen a shipping berth. The project also awaits a federal decision on whether major steel-fabricated components for the LNG plant can be shipped tariff-free from China, possibly as early as this month

 

https://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/transcanada-signs-all-elected-first-nations-along-4-7-billion-gas-pipeline-route

[Violator]

20 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

This is how you do it...

 

Too bad those buffoons in Alberta  didn't put the time in to do the project properly......

 

 

 

TransCanada signs all elected First Nations along $4.7-billion gas pipeline route through B.C.

The pipeline would feed the Shell-led LNG Canada gas plant should it go ahead, with TransCanada saying it's ready to build.

 

Trans Mountain Pipeline Timeline | Vancouver Sun2:10

TransCanada has completed benefit agreements with all 20 elected First Nation bands along its Coastal GasLink pipeline route from Dawson Creek to Kitimat.

 

The pipeline would feed the Shell-led LNG Canada gas plant should it go ahead, with TransCanada saying it’s ready to build.

There has been heightened anticipation recently that LNG Canada is gearing up to make a final investment decision on the up-to $36-billion export terminal in Kitimat.

The company has announced major contracts and has been doing more groundwork in Kitimat, including dredging to deepen a shipping berth. The project also awaits a federal decision on whether major steel-fabricated components for the LNG plant can be shipped tariff-free from China, possibly as early as this month

 

https://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/transcanada-signs-all-elected-first-nations-along-4-7-billion-gas-pipeline-route

I dont like they are shipping alot of the mods from china thats bad for local workers

[Ryan Strome]

37 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

This is how you do it...

 

Too bad those buffoons in Alberta  didn't put the time in to do the project properly......

 

 

 

TransCanada signs all elected First Nations along $4.7-billion gas pipeline route through B.C.

The pipeline would feed the Shell-led LNG Canada gas plant should it go ahead, with TransCanada saying it's ready to build.

 

Trans Mountain Pipeline Timeline | Vancouver Sun2:10

TransCanada has completed benefit agreements with all 20 elected First Nation bands along its Coastal GasLink pipeline route from Dawson Creek to Kitimat.

 

The pipeline would feed the Shell-led LNG Canada gas plant should it go ahead, with TransCanada saying it’s ready to build.

There has been heightened anticipation recently that LNG Canada is gearing up to make a final investment decision on the up-to $36-billion export terminal in Kitimat.

The company has announced major contracts and has been doing more groundwork in Kitimat, including dredging to deepen a shipping berth. The project also awaits a federal decision on whether major steel-fabricated components for the LNG plant can be shipped tariff-free from China, possibly as early as this month

 

https://vancouversun.com/business/local-business/transcanada-signs-all-elected-first-nations-along-4-7-billion-gas-pipeline-route

TransCanada Corporation is a major North American energy company, based in Calgary, Alberta 

[Mackcanuck]

Braid: Liberals' own bill could kill Trans Mountain pipeline

What would you call a government that pays $4.5 billion for a pipeline, then passes a law that stops it from getting built?

 

You’d probably call that government a pack of idiots. And you’d be right.

But this is actually a possibility, now that Bill C-69 is about to advance to second reading in the Senate.

This bill, whose horrors are vividly described in Friday’s column by Licia Corbella, is widely condemned as a confusing mess that will ensure no major project is ever built in Canada again.

“If this passes, Canada will have a sign in the window saying ‘Closed for business,’” Alberta Senator Doug Black says. “We might as well turn out the lights, because investment will avoid Canada, period.”

In a report to be released soon, the Canada West Foundation says: “Today, our reputation as a place to invest is in tatters, and Bill C-69 is poised to make things worse.”

The report notes that since 2015, Canada’s oil, gas and mining investment has declined 32 per cent.

That’s before Bill C-69 takes effect.

The bill not only revises and complicates rules for project approvals, inserting criteria up to and including gender issues, but creates an entirely new energy regulator to replace the National Energy Board.

That’s where the grave danger to the Trans Mountain pipeline lies.

Today, the project has no NEB approval, following the recent rejection by the Federal Court of Appeal.

It will likely take months before court-ordered conditions are fulfilled and a second approval can be issued, followed by a new cabinet order.

After that, there may be fresh court challenges.

Now, imagine if during this limbo period, Bill C-69 comes into effect.

The first thing any self-respecting activist would think of is a lawsuit demanding approval by the new regulator.

The whole business would have to start again under the new system.

 

MORE HERE

https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/braid-liberals-own-bill-could-kill-trans-mountain-pipeline

Edited September 15, 2018 by Mackcanuck

[JM_]

13 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

TransCanada Corporation is a major North American energy company, based in Calgary, Alberta 

good one 

 

Exciting to see this looking like its going to be a reality. Whatever these guys did to secure the 20 first nations agreements along the route needs to be used as a template for future projects. 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Mackcanuck said:

Braid: Liberals' own bill could kill Trans Mountain pipeline

What would you call a government that pays $4.5 billion for a pipeline, then passes a law that stops it from getting built?

 

MORE HERE

https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/braid-liberals-own-bill-could-kill-trans-mountain-pipeline

I think this is a bit over-reactionary. The Lib's will likely undertake the consultations and conclude the whale research before the bill becomes law, and even then the project is grandfathered. 

[Violator]

2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

good one 

 

Exciting to see this looking like its going to be a reality. Whatever these guys did to secure the 20 first nations agreements along the route needs to be used as a template for future projects. 

Different first nations im guessing

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Violator said:

Different first nations im guessing

for sure, it just seems like the process was conducted better than others. I'd be interested to know the approach. My guess is a lot of low profile discussions very early on but I haven't seen any review of how it actually occurred. 

[Violator]

37 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

for sure, it just seems like the process was conducted better than others. I'd be interested to know the approach. My guess is a lot of low profile discussions very early on but I haven't seen any review of how it actually occurred. 

They might have a better relationship with the northern bands more interested in work and money.

[Mackcanuck]

Trans Mountain pipeline delay means gaps in oil spill response remain

Washington State legislators have long complained that Canada is a laggard in addressing the need to protect against oil spills in the shared waters of the Salish Sea, and the uncertainty only adds to their irritation. The region, which includes the Strait of Georgia, the Strait of Juan de Fuca and Puget Sound, is a busy marine highway for the ports of Vancouver and Seattle, and Washington State shoulders the cost of the region’s only emergency response tug.

The state passed legislation this year to increase resources to meet the present-day risks of an oil spill in the Salish Sea, and state senator Reuven Carlyle said both jurisdictions need to work together to close gaps in response capacity and address increasing traffic and the possibility of spills.

 

"The research, the data, the science, is unequivocal that the risks are escalating exponentially, and Canada’s response is not commensurate to that risk,” Mr. Carlyle said in an interview.

He said the economic and social ties between B.C. and his state run deep, and Ottawa’s insistence on holding back needed investments in spill response is unsettling to Washingtonians. "That’s why there is such deep sadness by what many of us see as a lack of grace and dignity in the national government in Canada toward this shared, precious resource.”

 

 

The Trans Mountain expansion would increase the number of tankers carrying crude oil that travel through these waters from 44 last year to 408. Those new tankers would have stricter safety requirements, including additional tug escorts all the way to Port Renfrew. But for the existing traffic, the rules have not changed.

 

Ottawa is determined to see the pipeline expansion completed, and maintains that it will proceed with the Oceans Protections Plan no matter what. But two years after announcing the “largest investment ever made” to protect the country’s coasts, many of the details are still being worked out. There is no timeline for the changes, other than a commitment to launch consultations. Ottawa has ordered equipment for six new radar stations in B.C., but it is not clear when they will be installed. Two emergency rescue tugs are also promised for the west coast, but neither are intended for the inland waters of the Salish Sea.

The need for shared responsibility in these shared waters was made plain 30 years ago.

In 1988, the tow cable between the tug Ocean Service and its oil-laden barge, the Nestucca, snapped in Grays Harbor, WA. The crew reversed the tug in an attempt to re-attach the cable, ripping a gash in the barge. Days later, Canadian officials were informed that the leaking barge had been hauled out to the open ocean, where 870,000 litres of Bunker C oil dispersed in choppy conditions.

As the oil spread over an area from the shores of Oregon to British Columbia’s rocky coast, tens of thousands of migratory birds were killed. Fisheries were closed, and submerged oil smothered crab traps 24 fathoms deep off Tofino.

 

The Canadian response to the Nestucca spill was slow and uncoordinated, marred by bureaucratic infighting. An internal report on the incident for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans called for better communication between U.S. and Canadian officials, more research on the long-term effects of oil on wildlife and habitat, and improved tactics to clean up submerged oil. The local Indigenous communities played crucial roles in the clean-up and “should be encouraged in future concerns and contingency planning as a major component of the response effort," the report concluded.

Today, those recommendations are still in the works

 

MORE HERE

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-trans-mountain-pipeline-delay-means-gaps-in-oil-spill-response-remain/

Edited September 16, 2018 by Mackcanuck

[Gurn]

On ‎2018‎-‎09‎-‎13 at 10:41 PM, canuckistani said:

safer than all the noise-making, gas-guzzling (and by nature, gas spilling, such as from the floating gas-station

Gas spills evaporate into the air, it is oil/diesel that sticks around.

And if getting rid of small boats is what it takes to help out the whales then so be it.

[kingofsurrey]

23 hours ago, Violator said:

They might have a better relationship with the northern bands more interested in work and money.

Maybe LNG spills are less of a concern than toxic DIrty . Bitumen  Tar . Sludge spills....

[Violator]

18 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

Maybe LNG spills are less of a concern than toxic DIrty . Bitumen  Tar . Sludge spills....

Lng doesnt spill,It just blows up like a nuke.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Violator

[canuckistani]

6 hours ago, Violator said:

Lng doesnt spill it just blows up kike a nuke 

yep. These indoctrinated fools think that an infinitessimally small chance of a tanker spill is way, way worse than an infinitessimally small chance of an LNG explosion that'd wipe out lion's gate bridge. 

My experience with the anti-pipeline camp is that 99% of them are science-iliterates, who do not know science. All they know, is pop science, like morons. 

 

[kingofsurrey]

2 hours ago, canuckistani said:

yep. These indoctrinated fools think that an infinitessimally small chance of a tanker spill is way, way worse than an infinitessimally small chance of an LNG explosion that'd wipe out lion's gate bridge. 

My experience with the anti-pipeline camp is that 99% of them are science-iliterates, who do not know science. All they know, is pop science, like morons. 

 

Pretty sure the LNG terminal is nowhere near Lions Gate... LOL.....

You many know science but clearly you suck at Geography or Ecology ......

[canuckistani]

Just now, kingofsurrey said:

Pretty sure the LNG terminal is nowhere near Lions Gate... LOL.....

You many know science but clearly you suck at Geography or Ecology ......

*sigh*

that was a metaphor. 
Neither ships are likely to go kerblooey. Thats the whole point. Your argument against it is LITERALLY, MATHEMATICALLY as assinine as saying lets shut down YVR because one day a plane will crash into Burns Bog and kill one of the most ecologically diverse biospheres in the west coast. 

Get it yet ? 

[kingofsurrey]

12 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

*sigh*

that was a metaphor. 
Neither ships are likely to go kerblooey. Thats the whole point. Your argument against it is LITERALLY, MATHEMATICALLY as assinine as saying lets shut down YVR because one day a plane will crash into Burns Bog and kill one of the most ecologically diverse biospheres in the west coast. 

Get it yet ? 

After yet another summer of record forest fires  in our province and up/down the entire North America west coast.....

 

Hard to believe morons here in Alberta/BC still want to promote dirty fossil fuels to further negatively effect climate change....

 

So much stupidity in our Country....   but i guess greed and the need for a new F 350  truck  makes it all worthwhile.....

[Violator]

3 hours ago, canuckistani said:

yep. These indoctrinated fools think that an infinitessimally small chance of a tanker spill is way, way worse than an infinitessimally small chance of an LNG explosion that'd wipe out lion's gate bridge. 

My experience with the anti-pipeline camp is that 99% of them are science-iliterates, who do not know science. All they know, is pop science, like morons. 

 

To many barista enviromentalists

Edited September 17, 2018 by Violator

[canuckistani]

1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

After yet another summer of record forest fires  in our province and up/down the entire North America west coast.....

ok. so bike more, buy more local, spread THAT message. Dont be a hypocrite blocking oil when it impacts the world's poor while your own backyard is one of the biggest gas-guzzling monsters on the planet. 

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Hard to believe morons here in Alberta/BC still want to promote dirty fossil fuels to further negatively effect climate change....

Nope, nothing hard to believe because the opposition (including yourself) are mostly hypocritical idiots who themselves consume more oil than 95% of the planet per capita and then want to get in the way of Canadian jobs, corporate profit and hit the bottomline to world's poor the hardest. 

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So much stupidity in our Country....   but i guess greed and the need for a new F 350  truck  makes it all worthwhile.....

LOL at coming from the resident who's city is one of the worst on the planet at consuming oil. Reduce your own backyard's consumption before you preach to others where they can use oil or not. Otherwise, you are just an imperialist hypocrite.

Edited September 17, 2018 by canuckistani

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