TWU Lawschool decision

[Lockout Casualty]

On 6/15/2018 at 4:34 PM, ForsbergTheGreat said:

A typical left response,  capitalism has failed. haha yeah capitalism has done nothing good and only brought evil into what was once a pure bliss.

 

YOU want more gov't control as long as the gov't does the things YOU want, but you completely ignore the fact that you are 1 of 33 million people and YOUR view doesn't and will not ever align with all 33 million other people.  The fact that you say capitalism will bring the rise of bigotry haha don't make me laugh, capitalism is the opposite, it doesn't care about what gender you are or the colour of your skin, all that matters is supply/demand and providing the best product in the most efficient manner, if a women helps me achieve that great, if a person of colour does awesome, capitalism doesn't care what you look, just make it a profit.  And if you run a business that is truly racist guess what happens, there demand dies off and they go out of business.  

 

  But it's also something I don't expect the (center/right haha) left to understand.  Good day hip.

Like Chik-fil-A, right?

[ForsbergTheGreat]

12 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Like Chik-fil-A, right?

Chik fil a is racist and refuses service to people of colour??  

 

Can’t say I’m too familiar with that place but that’s news to me. 

[Lockout Casualty]

2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Chik fil a is racist and refuses service to people of colour??  

 

Can’t say I’m too familiar with that place but that’s news to me. 

Of course you would miss the point. I don't know what I expected.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

15 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Of course you would miss the point. I don't know what I expected.

Of course you struggle with reading comprehension. Unfortunately I did expect that. 

[Sean Monahan]

2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Of course you struggle with reading comprehension. Unfortunately I did expect that. 

Chick-fil-A has donated over $5 million, via WinShape, to groups that oppose same-sex marriage. Of this, more than $3 million was donated primarily to Christian organizations whose agendas included positions that oppose same-sex marriage,^[55] with the money donated between 2003 and 2009.^{[56][57][58][59][60][61][62][63]} A total of $1.9 million was donated in 2010 to groups such as the Marriage & Family Foundation, Exodus International, and the Family Research Council(FRC).^[64] That year, the FRC, which received $1,000^{[56][57][58][59][60][61][62][63]} was listed as an anti-gay^[65] hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.^[66][67][68] WinShape has also contributed to Christian groups including the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and Exodus International, the latter of which is noted for supporting ex-gay conversion therapy.^[64]In response, students at several colleges and universities worked to ban or remove the company's restaurants from their campuses. On January 28, 2013, Shane L. Windmeyer, the leader of Campus Pride, suspended their campaign.^[69][70][71]

In June and July 2012, Chick-fil-A's chief operating officer Dan T. Cathy made several public statements about same-sex marriage, saying that those who "have the audacity to define what marriage is about" were "inviting God's judgment on our nation".^{[72][73][74][75][76]} Several prominent politicians expressed disapproval.^[77] Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and Chicago Alderman Proco "Joe" Morenosaid they hoped to block franchise expansion into their areas.^[78][79][80] The proposed bans drew criticism from liberal pundits, legal experts, and the American Civil Liberties Union.^[81][82][83] The Jim Henson Company, which had a Pajanimals kids' meal toy licensing arrangement with Chick-fil-A, said it would cease its business relationship, and donate the payment to the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.^[84][85][86] Chick-fil-A stopped distributing the toys, claiming that unrelated safety concerns that had arisen prior to the controversy.^[87] Chick-fil-A released a statement on July 31, 2012, saying, "We are a restaurant company focused on food, service, and hospitality; our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena."^[88]

[Ronaldoescobar]

Ignorance is bliss

[Neversummer]

On 15/06/2018 at 1:03 PM, kingofsurrey said:

Wow really ?

u realize twu recieves gov funds , right ?  

 

That would be incorrect, TWU does not receive any government funding.  

 

TWU covenant was the crux of the issue.  If TWU removes covenant, there is a very strong chance that the Law Society would have to accept and accredit its Law graduates.  Cannot possibly deny them on beliefs and religious convictions.  It's the covenant.  Implicit in the ruling, get rid of the covenant and TWU will be granted accreditation.    

 

Finally, the covenant is not biased against LBGTQ per se, unmarried hetero's are not to have sex either (you could say it discriminates against the average hormone raging 20 something yr old hetero).  The only group it would truly 'discriminate' against are married LBGTQ and if you were a married LBGTQ would you seriously apply to TWU?  You wouldn't rather apply to the anything goes, leftist, UBC?  

 

So how does this help society in the end?  Did we open up more Law school spots for LBGTQ ... no.  Did we eliminate some spots for Law school for those who have traditional conservative religious convictions (Practicing Christians, Muslims, etc.) yes.  Don't you think we could use a few more lawyers with convictions and character? 

 

 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

 

9 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

 

 

Thanks for clarifying. So they aren’t a racist company that refused service to people of colour. But it’s worth noting that stating their opinion on same sex marriage received backlash and hurt then financially. 

[kingofsurrey]

5 minutes ago, Neversummer said:

That would be incorrect, TWU does not receive any government funding.  

 

TWU covenant was the crux of the issue.  If TWU removes covenant, there is a very strong chance that the Law Society would have to accept and accredit its Law graduates.  Cannot possibly deny them on beliefs and religious convictions.  It's the covenant.  Implicit in the ruling, get rid of the covenant and TWU will be granted accreditation.    

 

Finally, the covenant is not biased against LBGTQ per se, unmarried hetero's are not to have sex either (you could say it discriminates against the average hormone raging 20 something yr old hetero).  The only group it would truly 'discriminate' against are married LBGTQ and if you were a married LBGTQ would you seriously apply to TWU?  You wouldn't rather apply to the anything goes, leftist, UBC?  

 

So how does this help society in the end?  Did we open up more Law school spots for LBGTQ ... no.  Did we eliminate some spots for Law school for those who have traditional conservative religious convictions (Practicing Christians, Muslims, etc.) yes.  Don't you think we could use a few more lawyers with convictions and character? 

 

 

really.. ??  This is not true.

 

https://ablawg.ca/2015/03/09/trinity-western-university-your-tax-dollars-at-work/

 

Trinity Western University (“TWU”) claims it is a private religious institution. This is the explanation offered by the courts for denying students, staff and faculty at TWU protection under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This protection is denied even though it is generally accepted, even by supporters of TWU, that TWU’s Community Covenant, “indeed treat LGBT people in a way that would have profoundly negative effects of [sic] their lives.” See Trinity Western University v Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society, 2015 NSSC 25 [NS Barristers’ Society] at para 251).

What does it mean for a university to be publicly funded? I am a tax scholar, so I offer a definition supported by tax policy. TWU is publicly funded because it receives significant tax benefits as a result of its registered charity status. TWU is tax exempt, and therefore underwritten by public funding. The tax exemption is equivalent to a direct subsidy to TWU, since it represents tax revenue forgone, and governments must make up the shortfall elsewhere. TWU also issues charitable tax receipts that allow (and encourage) donors to give more money to TWU than they otherwise could, since the state gives donors a kickback on their taxes for doing so.

[kingofsurrey]

2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Thanks for clarifying. So they aren’t a racist company that refused service to people of colour. But it’s worth noting that stating their opinion on same sex marriage received backlash and hurt then financially. 

Do more research..

 

https://www.google.ca/search?q=does+trinity+western+university+recieve+government+funding&oq=does+trinity+western+university+recieve+government+funding&aqs=chrome..69i57.14511j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

 

Christian schools received $20M from infrastructure fund | CBC News

www.cbc.ca/.../christian-schools-received-20m-from-infrastructure-fund-1.1329280

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Apr 22, 2013 - Langley, B.C.'s Trinity Western University's proposal to open a law ... The university is one of 13 Christian schools to receive federal infrastructure funding since ... The government did not provide a specific explanation for the ..

[kingofsurrey]

Oh even more gov funds for TWU

 

https://www.twu.ca/proposed-school-law/frequently-asked-questions

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As a private university, TWU does not receive public funding for its operations. However, there are two instances where TWU has received government financial support. First, TWU's faculty, like faculty at all universities in Canada, compete for research grants through the processes established by thefunding agencies.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Do more research..

 

https://www.google.ca/search?q=does+trinity+western+university+recieve+government+funding&oq=does+trinity+western+university+recieve+government+funding&aqs=chrome..69i57.14511j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

 

Christian schools received $20M from infrastructure fund | CBC News

www.cbc.ca/.../christian-schools-received-20m-from-infrastructure-fund-1.1329280

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Apr 22, 2013 - Langley, B.C.'s Trinity Western University's proposal to open a law ... The university is one of 13 Christian schools to receive federal infrastructure funding since ... The government did not provide a specific explanation for the ..

Maybe if you weren’t a uni drop out you would know how to research.   What did any of what you just posted have to do with Chik fil a being a racist company?  Oh that’s right it didn’t..

 

posting irrelevant links doesn’t equate to research. Haha you are too funny. 

[Rob_Zepp]

13 minutes ago, Neversummer said:

Don't you think we could use a few more lawyers with convictions and character? 

 

 

Or put another way, many professionals are asked to work with people with faith background's different than their own - however, the vast majority simply get on and act professionally and do their jobs.   Does someone think that a lawyer who has Christian ethical training would then refuse to work on cases for people that were not Christian?  That seems crazy but even if that was the case, so what?   So what if some lawyers only work for Christians?   I am sure there are accountants that only work for (fill in blank).   Doctors that work for (fill in blank) etc. etc.   

 

This seems more about some excessive liberalization of society once again.   It seems that traditional beliefs and approaches are all the rage to strip but everything else can occur under the veil of "diversity".    

 

Interesting times.   

[PhillipBlunt]

I love how the thread turned into a Surrey turf war. That was awesome.

[Neversummer]

1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

really.. ??  This is not true.

 

We can debate whether receiving tax benefits = receiving government funding.  

 

When you do your taxes and claim donations or RRSP contributions, do you receive tax benefits?  Yes.  Does that mean you receive government funding? I don't look at it that way. If you do ... OK, whatever.   

 

 

[JM_]

53 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Or put another way, many professionals are asked to work with people with faith background's different than their own - however, the vast majority simply get on and act professionally and do their jobs.   Does someone think that a lawyer who has Christian ethical training would then refuse to work on cases for people that were not Christian?  That seems crazy but even if that was the case, so what?   So what if some lawyers only work for Christians?   I am sure there are accountants that only work for (fill in blank).   Doctors that work for (fill in blank) etc. etc.   

 

This seems more about some excessive liberalization of society once again.   It seems that traditional beliefs and approaches are all the rage to strip but everything else can occur under the veil of "diversity".    

 

Interesting times.   

Sure people can find ways to "refuse"to serve people they don't like, you can say you're too busy, quote too high on a job, etc, etc. Thats not the same thing as openly allowing it to happen as a legal activity, legalized discrimination.

 

And we need to put the brakes on the idea that this is a current far-left liberal thing, the Charter was passed in 1982, long before anyone knew what an SJW was. 

[Rob_Zepp]

29 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Sure people can find ways to "refuse"to serve people they don't like, you can say you're too busy, quote too high on a job, etc, etc. Thats not the same thing as openly allowing it to happen as a legal activity, legalized discrimination.

 

And we need to put the brakes on the idea that this is a current far-left liberal thing, the Charter was passed in 1982, long before anyone knew what an SJW was. 

So openly Muslim lawyers, Jewish lawyers etc should not practice either?   There are very clearly other religiously affliliated universities all over the world and I don’t recall law societies declaring their graduates non-starters for practicing law.

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

So openly Muslim lawyers, Jewish lawyers etc should not practice either?   There are very clearly other religiously affliliated universities all over the world and I don’t recall law societies declaring their graduates non-starters for practicing law.

who said that? we're talking about accreditation of a new law school that wants to use discriminatory policies. 

 

Sure there's all kinds of religious schools, but they aren't accredited by professional bodies. If you want to go to a school like that, have at 'er but don't expect to be accredited if something about going there is unconstitutional. 

 

Would you like to live in a building built by an engineer who got his degree from a school based on ancient alien theory? or didn't believe in "science"? 

[Neversummer]

^^ Don't get sidetracked gentlemen, it's the lifestyle covenant and NOT the religious beliefs.   If TWU stay exactly the same in terms of beliefs and remove that mandatory lifestyle covenant (no sex except for married man and woman), they'd 99.9% get their accreditation.  

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, Neversummer said:

^^ Don't get sidetracked gentlemen, it's the lifestyle covenant and NOT the religious beliefs.   If TWU stay exactly the same in terms of beliefs and remove that mandatory lifestyle covenant (no sex except for married man and woman), they'd 99.9% get their accreditation.  

a covenant based on religious beliefs... but who cares? it was against the CofR&F so TWU lost. But yes, if they keep out the discriminatory stuff they can believe whatever they want as long as they meet the requirements of the accreditation body.