JM_ Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: Remember Tuesday Bloomberg makes his first appearance on the ballot. Clearing Pete and Amy out of the way helps Biden get to the 15% threshold to secure delegates. Could very well be Bernie, but I think Pres Bernie without the Senate would be damn near impossible to enact any legislation with teeth. Pres Bernie won't even get his choice of cabinet nominees through the Senate. Moscow Mitch will pick some of his cabinet for him and that would suck. "here you go Bernie, for HHS secretary how about Matt Gaetz? You have the votes to confirm Gaetz" Harris would make a good AG. Pus her senate seat is safe. The Sanders and Warren camps are kind of at odds. Hard to say what happens there. Looking like it'll be everyone against Bernie. Hard to guess who would be Bernie's VP given his very left positions. You can't really balance out that ticket with someone who is any less Bernie than Bernie. I think thats why people will feel safe about voting for a "communist" they know his talk is mostly aspirational, and the US really needs some positive aspirations right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Pete and Amy are out, hopefully Liz stays in this race as long as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Pete and Amy are out, hopefully Liz stays in this race as long as possible. We will see after Super Tuesday. I don't see how anyone outside of the top 2 or 3 can continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Pete and Amy are out, hopefully Liz stays in this race as long as possible. Are you hoping she takes votes away from Bernie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think thats why people will feel safe about voting for a "communist" they know his talk is mostly aspirational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: I think thats why people will feel safe about voting for a "communist" they know his talk is mostly aspirational, and the US really needs some positive aspirations right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Can't remember in which of these threads someone was bitching about Chris Matthews. He just started the Monday edition of his show "Hardball" by announcing his retirement. Steve Kornacki is finishing the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 49 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Are you hoping she takes votes away from Bernie? You know me too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 58 minutes ago, Kragar said: you don't think people under 40 are happy to vote Bernie? you might be in for a big shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: you don't think people under 40 are happy to vote Bernie? you might be in for a big shocker. Sorry, after I posted, I wondered if I would be misunderstood. The gif was for some word play. Somehow, I always imagine Bernie aspirating when he talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Warren will take delegates from BS. At the convention her delegates will go to Biden and she will be getting the VP position. Pete might replace Perez and Amy will get a position in the administration. Just waiting for super delegate from Illinois Barrack Obama to endorse JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 1 hour ago, CBH1926 said: You know me too well. Look at it this way: Say Bernie wins the nomination and knocks off Trump, but as @nuckin_futz said, the Dems lose enough down ballot support that he isn't able to get any of his legislation passed. It means 4 years of treading water, but most importantly, Bone Spurs get kicked to the curb and hopefully Bernie's VP is someone that the general public can get behind in 2024. It's covered in tarnish, but it's a bit of a silver lining.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Warren will take delegates from BS. At the convention her delegates will go to Biden and she will be getting the VP position. Pete might replace Perez and Amy will get a position in the administration. Just waiting for super delegate from Illinois Barrack Obama to endorse JB. I doubt Warren gets many delegates as you have to be over 15% to get any. Most people know by now she has no chance and her support will crumble. The real issue now is Bloomberg. He's the monkey wrench. He wants to stop Bernie, but he's going to suck votes from Biden not Bernie. If he truly wanted to accomplish that he'd drop out right now and support Biden but he won't do that. He's going to wind up helping Bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: I doubt Warren gets many delegates as you have to be over 15% to get any. Most people know by now she has no chance and her support will crumble. The real issue now is Bloomberg. He's the monkey wrench. He wants to stop Bernie, but he's going to suck votes from Biden not Bernie. If he truly wanted to accomplish that he'd drop out right now and support Biden but he won't do that. He's going to wind up helping Bernie. Latest polls have her right around or above 15% in California, Texas, Massachusetts and Minnesota. If she ends up with those numbers that will reduce number of delegates that BS could win. Amy and Pete have 33 delegates as well, they will have to pledge their support to another candidate at the convention. Bloomberg is a wild card, if he drops hopefully he puts his resources behind JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 50 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Warren will take delegates from BS. At the convention her delegates will go to Biden and she will be getting the VP position. Pete might replace Perez and Amy will get a position in the administration. Just waiting for super delegate from Illinois Barrack Obama to endorse JB. I don’t understand what these super delegates are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Look at it this way: Say Bernie wins the nomination and knocks off Trump, but as @nuckin_futz said, the Dems lose enough down ballot support that he isn't able to get any of his legislation passed. It means 4 years of treading water, but most importantly, Bone Spurs get kicked to the curb and hopefully Bernie's VP is someone that the general public can get behind in 2024. It's covered in tarnish, but it's a bit of a silver lining.... ABT is my motto, I also feel that BS victory might bring blowback and loss of seats in the Senate and Congress. Having a democrat in the White House doesn’t do much if the GOP is in control. JB is too old but with the right people he will be ok for the next 4 years until much stronger candidate is groomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Canorth said: I don’t understand what these super delegates are They are basically VIP Democratic party officials, current and former politicians. Barrack Obama, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Diane Feinstein etc. Their votes carry lot of weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 Basically it is down to 4 people: Sanders and Warren on the Progressive Side Biden and Bloomberg on the Moderate Side. On the Moderate Side; Biden should be the front runner given his political experience. Unless Bloomberg do well tomorrow, he will only hurt Biden's chances. For Sanders, Warrens is hurting his chances by taking away delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: They are basically VIP Democratic party officials, current and former politicians. Barrack Obama, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Diane Feinstein etc. Their votes carry lot of weight. So their basically elite endorsements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted March 3, 2020 Author Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2020/03/02/biden-fights-for-momentum-in-democrats-shifting-primary.html Buttigieg and Klobuchar endorses Joe Biden. DALLAS - Rivals no more, Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg united behind Joe Biden’s presidential bid on Monday as the Democratic Party’s moderate wing scrambled to boost the former vice-president just hours before voting began across a series of high-stakes Super Tuesday states. The urgency of the moment reflected deep concerns from the Democratic establishment that Bernie Sanders, a polarizing progressive, was positioned to seize a significant delegate lead when 14 states, one U.S. territory vote on Tuesday. Klobuchar suspended her campaign and endorsed Biden just a day after Buttigieg announced his exit. Both Klobuchar and Buttigieg, who had been Biden’s chief competition for their party’s pool of more moderate voters over the last year, declared their public support for Biden on Monday evening at a rally in Dallas. “I’m looking for a leader, I’m looking for a president, who will draw out what’s best in each of us,” Buttigieg said. “We have found that leader in vice-president, soon-to-be president, Joe Biden.” The sweeping shifts come at a key crossroads in Democrats’ turbulent primary season as the party struggles to unify behind a clear message or messenger in its urgent quest to defeat President Donald Trump. Yet as a field that once featured more than two dozen candidates shrinks to just five, the choice for primary voters is becoming clearer. On one side stands Biden, a 77-year-old lifelong politician who represents a pragmatic approach to governing that emphasizes bipartisanship and more modest change. On the other stands Sanders, a 78-year-old democratic socialist who has for decades demanded aggressive liberal shifts that seek to transform the nation’s political and economic systems. Edited March 3, 2020 by DonLever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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